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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 15:12:25 GMT
They're based in Newton Abbot, which is only 15 min drive away from my area.
Anyone here heard their speakers?
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 2, 2018 15:21:34 GMT
Never even heard OF them, let alone their kit. I will have to Google them
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 15:37:21 GMT
Their speakers look somewhere in between Harbeth and Spendor in concept. Probably sound decent. Guess they won't be cheap!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 15:40:28 GMT
Their speakers look somewhere in between Harbeth and Spendor in concept. Probably sound decent. Guess they won't be cheap! Correct! They are pricey indeed. I have my eye on the LS3/5 model. S.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 2, 2018 15:46:33 GMT
I like the idea of buying local.......as long as they aren’t made in China and shipped next door to you. You have a use for small speakers. I think it would Ben neat to own a pair of home grown speakers, as long as you feel you could hang onto them for good.
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Post by dsjr on Jul 2, 2018 20:16:10 GMT
I've become something of an apologist for BBC-legacy designs but even I have my limits! I'm currently custodian of a good pair of Rogers BBC LS5/9's in black ash and have compared these directly with the 'replacement' Harbeth M30 AND the m30.1. The 30 was designed as a drop-in replacement and the 30.1 a better balanced version once the BBC went to Dynaudio actives... Once I have suitable boxes, they're up for sale if anyone's interested... I understand as this... the BBC, certainly in later years, designed for themselves and in the 5.8 and 5/9, a neutral 'accurate' sound balance had absolutely NOTHING to do with it. To make close-miked voices sound 'better' in their particular situation, they put a bloody suckout in the upper midrange. In the 5/9 in free space on highish stands (20" at least), you get a kind-of Pro-Ac balance with an artificial wide and deep balance and pretty good clarity. In my smaller room themid bass makes the sound go tubby and the highs become 'one note' - the Harbeth M30 is better here and smoother, but still dull. The 5.8 domestically just booms and thunders along in my opinion and these were designed to be active right from the off! Graham Audio have seen how the far eastern audiophools lap up anything with a BBC label on it and so they got Derek Hughes and Volt to design and make a similar bass unit, first for the LS5/9 abnd apparently now for the 5/8 too, in my opinion so they can sell a good few pairs of 'official' BBC designs to the far east mainly, in the same way Stirling do with the BC1/SP1 style LS3/6. HFW reviewed the Graham 5/9 and lo and behold, the upper mid suckout is there and also worse if you sit above them. I've not heard the new 5/8 though, but imo JBL now do so much better for eleven grand for a two way and so do Harbeth with the three way 40.2. I love the dear old but limited BC1, the odd-ball BC3 and own and use BC2's despite the compromises my pair have. Suitably set up in a room they like, Harbeth HL models and the 30.1/30.2 and40.1/40.2 can also sing well in a refined genteel kind of way (they DEMAND power to wake them up these days though if they're not to sound small and insignificant), but the Graham's aren't really about musical communication in my view, but to resurrect a couple of 1980's BBC speakers designed for their use and outside of a treated editing suite (where my 5/9's came from), pretty damned dull to be honest, it just has to be a money making exercise. The proto-type 5/9's sounded very good I'm told by someone who was there at the time, before the suckout was engineered in and this MUST have been for the benefit of the balance engineers who wanted to push vocals back in a plane behind the speakers, but it's more artificial in a domestic sense. As I said, Pro-Ac have been doing this for years and nobody complained, so......
Funny thing is, the BBC use very few if any passive speakers now I gather. I believe the Dyn-Audio BM5A is squeaker of choice generally and I was told a few Genelecs too. I honestly don't know how many 3/5A's or Harbeth P3's are still in use in the corporation, let alone the 5/8 and 5/9... I'm sure the Grahams are superbly made but in my opinion, they're conceived on a deliberately 'tuned' (to be polite) platform that isn't always acceptable domestically in the UK.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 2, 2018 20:29:41 GMT
From what I’ve seen on EBay the LS5/9 should fetch a decent sum.
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Post by dsjr on Jul 2, 2018 20:39:46 GMT
I hope so as funds will need to go two ways when the time comes... I've enjoyed using them, but they need a larger room and more space around them to fully convince. I've heard these in four totally different rooms and got different performances in each one.
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Post by dsjr on Jul 4, 2018 14:37:38 GMT
Take a look here - www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-44367396Apparently the rock music control room monitors used to be humungous Boxer Monitors (VERY LOUD but relentles swith it I was told) Back on topic, look at the pic of the huge concert-rehearsal space. The monitors look to be LS5/8's with modified Quad 405 active amp blocks and look how high off the ground they are as well as being in totally free space? THAT's why I suggest these speakers wouldn't work in a small (in comparison) domestic living room...
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