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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 23, 2020 19:32:56 GMT
Hi all,
I've been considering moving my system into a purposely converted garage in my garden. Brick built so needs a "liner' of sorts.
I decided to have a measure up, as I'd like to get some decent width between the speakers, whilst leaving enough room for them to breathe from the side walls.
Unfortunately, after a rough stab in the dark maths session, ill only realistically gain 19" room width, albeit a considerable improvement of at least 36" in length
I currently have my speakers 80cm apart, which if we're being honest, is dismal.
The move would incread this (roughly) to 1.6m so almost double the width now but keeping them 50cm from the side wall, as recommended in the manual.
I'm pretty sure I have this right as ive done it 6 times and got the same measurements every time with my guesstimates for speaker footprint etc.
So, is 19" worth all the effort and expense from a perspective of getting the most from the speakers and the rest of the kit?
Opinions please.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 19:42:58 GMT
Well 19 inches is way less than 80cm so you’re gaining “more” than just overall room width
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Post by rexton on Jun 23, 2020 19:57:05 GMT
Do you have the cash for a new house? If not then I think it makes sense to get the best out of what you own, so yep 19" is probably worth it. What about your attic? Can you dig a cellar?
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Post by sq225917 on Jun 23, 2020 20:11:23 GMT
Headphones...
Lol.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 23, 2020 21:12:56 GMT
Not enough cash to move and don't really want to in all honesty
Yes, almost 1m more space between the speakers should amount to a rather decent increase in soundstage size so yes, good point there.
I supposed the best place to start is to research the best and most cost effective way of prepping the garage.
This could take a while!
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Post by macca on Jun 23, 2020 21:27:07 GMT
yes it is worth it. Half that would be worth it. You could probably go a little closer to the side wall too, a foot away would probably be fine. Especially with a bit of toe in and some absorption on the wall at mid/tweeter height.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 23, 2020 21:43:49 GMT
yes it is worth it. Half that would be worth it. You could probably go a little closer to the side wall too, a foot away would probably be fine. Especially with a bit of toe in and some absorption on the wall at mid/tweeter height. I will also be able to get some space behind them too, which will allow them to breathe much better. Truth is, i am kind of being pushed into this as the system has got to such a level, that the room cant cope. The New Spotfire MK2 are ridiculous but with the changes i have gained octaves of bass. Yes, i know that sounds like bullshit, but It's true. I now need to get out and stop handcuffing the system. Looks like this is going to happen regardless lol The wife is keen lol |
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Post by electronumpty on Jun 23, 2020 22:00:00 GMT
Just do it, it won't make any odds mind, we all know you're deaf as a post! 😋
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 23, 2020 22:03:37 GMT
Just do it, it won't make any odds mind, we all know you're deaf as a post! 😋 Thought i might fill it with Naim and Tannoys...lol |
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Post by electronumpty on Jun 23, 2020 22:11:16 GMT
Haha , that's the spirit. Don't forget to stick some Linn in there for good measure.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 23, 2020 23:00:37 GMT
Haha , that's the spirit. Don't forget to stick some Linn in there for good measure. Yes, ill need some valves too, maybe a Leak Stereo 20 |
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Post by jimbo on Jun 24, 2020 4:07:51 GMT
Buy some smaller speakers lol 
If the the room you are thinking of converting is what I think it is, would there be any chance of taking down one of the side walls and increasing the width, its only single brick?
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Post by antonio on Jun 24, 2020 4:58:47 GMT
I like the above suggestion and do fully realise the cost involved, but if you intend to stay in the same property for a good number of years it may be worth it.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 24, 2020 5:50:43 GMT
Buy some smaller speakers lol
If the the room you are thinking of converting is what I think it is, would there be any chance of taking down one of the side walls and increasing the width, its only single brick?
Ha! No chance!! The garage is the one at the bottom of the garden, not sure youve seen it, Jim. Macca has. antonio, yes...i can't see us moving so its time to start planning |
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Post by firebottle on Jun 24, 2020 9:00:16 GMT
You could increase the height and suspend your speakers, oh hang on they're not electrostatics!
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 24, 2020 9:03:19 GMT
You could increase the height and suspend your speakers, oh hang on they're not electrostatics! I'd need a steel RSJ! |
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Post by sq225917 on Jun 24, 2020 12:23:14 GMT
How big are peoples listening spaces?
14ft w x 12ft d x 8.5ft h here
Speakers, 5ft apart to internal edges, with two foot to side walls and 1.5ft behind. I sit 5.5 ft from front edge of speakers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 12:41:06 GMT
some basic parameters that work for a quite a few set ups.
Speakers benefit from having at least 2m between tweeter centers, with a good .75m away from the back wall and at least 0.75m from the sidewalls with ideally no bookcases, racks, TV's or side tables in the vicinity.
I appreciate for many this is not the case, however think room / speaker interface and the speakers abilities to generate sound pressure not just from the front of the cabinet and that EVERTHING around that speaker will interact with it to degree.
Space is your friend if you use it wisely, though high ceilings can assist even a square room.
You sound be listening to a pair of invisible speakers, not the room modes, reflections or vibrational interactions of lamps, ceiling tiles, books and items on shelves etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 12:43:13 GMT
Current listening space, 24' long, 14' wide, height 7'6"m speakers 2.2m into the room with a solid 1.5m from the side walls took a while to dial it in but it works very well.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 24, 2020 15:54:58 GMT
Current listening space, 24' long, 14' wide, height 7'6"m speakers 2.2m into the room with a solid 1.5m from the side walls took a while to dial it in but it works very well. I can only dream of space like that. |
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Post by antonio on Jun 24, 2020 16:20:36 GMT
Current listening space, 24' long, 14' wide, height 7'6"m speakers 2.2m into the room with a solid 1.5m from the side walls took a while to dial it in but it works very well. Our main room is of similar proportions, but with an added on bay and higher ceilings. My brother bought the property simply for this room.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 16:25:50 GMT
Current listening space, 24' long, 14' wide, height 7'6"m speakers 2.2m into the room with a solid 1.5m from the side walls took a while to dial it in but it works very well. Our main room is of similar proportions, but with an added on bay and higher ceilings. My brother bought the property simply for this room. It was one of the main reasons I purchased this property, there are three rooms in the lower floor, this is the smaller of them, however the dogs have a converted annex with a purposed wet room for them, while the remaining room on this floor is for the living area with the good lady compromises you see  |
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Post by antonio on Jun 25, 2020 4:28:45 GMT
Great idea, if you have the space, a wet room for the dogs. Many years ago I knew someone who had a hot and cold tap on the outside of their property simple to be able to shower their two dogs after walks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 5:41:22 GMT
Could you not listen “across” the room, rather than down it?
Sound absorbing material on the back wall would probably help if you do.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 25, 2020 6:31:20 GMT
Could you not listen “across” the room, rather than down it? Sound absorbing material on the back wall would probably help if you do. No, it's just not possible. Too much stuff in a small room with nowhere else to move it too. The time has come, I need a garage conversion |
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Post by macca on Jun 25, 2020 7:08:29 GMT
How big are peoples listening spaces? 14ft w x 12ft d x 8.5ft h here Speakers, 5ft apart to internal edges, with two foot to side walls and 1.5ft behind. I sit 5.5 ft from front edge of speakers. 29' x 12' x 9.5' could do with being another couple of feet wider. if I could buy the neighbouring house and knock through I'd have 29' x 24' - now that would be something. Not going to happen though. I saw Ollie's garage and first thing I said to him was 'You need to convert this bastard into your listening cave.' It's got good proportions, should be superb when it's all tricked out. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 25, 2020 7:10:43 GMT
How big are peoples listening spaces? 14ft w x 12ft d x 8.5ft h here Speakers, 5ft apart to internal edges, with two foot to side walls and 1.5ft behind. I sit 5.5 ft from front edge of speakers. 29' x 12' x 9.5' could do with being another couple of feet wider. if I could buy the neighbouring house and knock through I'd have 29' x 24' - now that would be something. Not going to happen though. I saw Ollie's garage and first thing I said to him was 'You need to convert this bastard into your listening cave.' It's got good proportions, should be superb when it's all tricked out. You did....that was a while back too, but I didn't feel like I'd got the system far enough to warrant it. Its a different beast these days and with the new additions it seems like i need to now, rather than want to. I'm researching intensly as we speak! |
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