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Post by stevew on Apr 26, 2020 13:56:02 GMT
Watching Andrew Marr this morning I was intrigued by the speakers in Brian Cox’s room. Audio Note AN-J’s. Turns out he runs a Naim streamer through valves into them.
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 26, 2020 14:21:25 GMT
Watching Andrew Marr this morning I was intrigued by the speakers in Brian Cox’s room. Audio Note AN-J’s. Turns out he runs a Naim streamer through valves into them. He obviously gone deaf....lol
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Post by stevew on Apr 26, 2020 14:32:30 GMT
Things can only get better.
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Post by macca on Apr 26, 2020 15:31:08 GMT
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks they are dreadful. And the price is ludicrous for what you're getting.
Looks like he has a nice big room there. He could get some speakers that don't need to be rammed up against the wall.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 16:56:50 GMT
Brian I think may not have got to grips with the technical side of system matching which is all the more surprising given his in-depth physics knowledge! We exchanged a few messages some years ago when he was using big 845 or similar single ended monos trying to drive Shahinian Obelisk speakers he then owned. Worked for him but I can't imagine a worse matched amp/speaker combo for control. Nice chap who values his music (obviously given his past uni days!). Give me AN/J's, or better still, original Snell J's over AN/e's any day of the week!
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Post by macca on Apr 26, 2020 17:04:52 GMT
Surprised you would be keen on any of them Paul.
I did wonder about that given he's a physics professor why he would go for valves and such odd, coloured speakers. But I suppose he has what he likes as we all do.
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Post by jandl100 on Apr 26, 2020 17:59:13 GMT
AN-J, -K and the right AN-E can be great fun to listen to with the right material, maybe his knowledge of physics made him realise the futility of chasing accuracy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 18:25:12 GMT
Surprised you would be keen on any of them Paul. I did wonder about that given he's a physics professor why he would go for valves and such odd, coloured speakers. But I suppose he has what he likes as we all do. Not much to dislike about the bouncy fun of Snell K or J's. Accurate? not in the uncoloured sense but good fun. E's? Nah....especially An/E'S. They use the cab panel resonance as part of their bass/system sensitivity along with tight to wall bass lift (ie no baffle step) to get their claimed bass extension output (which I think is cheating). Like all large thin wall designs of this nature (apart perhaps from the older active Harbeth M40s which needed a large space to work properly) they sound muddy and incredibly coloured in the lower bass, unsurprisingly. Their slate fronted one is better in this respect as it isn't acting as much like an out of phase large panel driver in it's own right!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 18:28:15 GMT
I did wonder about that given he's a physics professor why he would go for valves and such odd, coloured speakers. I’d say he has excellent taste. As for odd coloured speakers they look pretty similar to mine, they look great in olive......
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Post by jandl100 on Apr 26, 2020 18:31:56 GMT
AN-E are a real mixed bunch depending on the variant. Some, usually the lower priced ones, can be pretty decent in terms of neutrality. It seems the more you pay the more colourations you get - I have heard some truly appalling high end models (no names ). Jake Lordmortlock had a pair not too far up the range that were very listenable.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 18:34:24 GMT
I remember those Jerry and they did suit his space quite well although at the time I still felt they were quite coloured and resonant in the bass.
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Post by jandl100 on Apr 26, 2020 18:58:04 GMT
Still coloured? Yes, sure - but unlike a few AN-Es I have heard I could enjoy music without gaping in sheer disbelief at the literally ludcicrous levels of colouration on display. Anyway, BC has AN-J - great fun with boppy music. I can imagine them as a carry-over from his days in student digs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 19:03:54 GMT
Yes... agreed on all fronts
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Post by macca on Apr 27, 2020 7:23:42 GMT
There's nothing wrong with the mid and top on them it's just that bass. First time I heard them I just couldn't get over it.
Audionote in general - I get where they are coming from and I get why for some people it's the end game. Despite the bass they still have some of the more 'listenable' rooms at shows. It's just not for me.
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Post by pauld on Apr 27, 2020 10:12:35 GMT
I have always quite liked the tone of Audio Note speakers, but find them woolier than most of my jumpers from a bass perspective, irrespective of the partnering amplification.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 13:00:13 GMT
Audionote speakers big bouncy and fun with no rough edges, accuracy like a naim amplifier not much, but they are fun to listen to construction humm, not the best. Can see why people like them.
Mind you Mr Cox should know better, mind you perhaps his hearing suffered after that time in D-Ream?
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Post by jandl100 on Apr 27, 2020 15:04:06 GMT
accuracy like a naim amplifier That made me blink! I think we mean different things by the word accuracy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 16:07:57 GMT
accuracy like a naim amplifier That made me blink! I think we mean different things by the word accuracy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 16:08:44 GMT
accuracy like a naim amplifier That made me blink! I think we mean different things by the word accuracy. No Jerry That was deliberate to emphasize point
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 12:18:44 GMT
AN amplifiers are responsible for a lot of that wooliness. They make this: ....sound like this: Their mega output impedance and high distortion doesn't do them any favours at all. I'm sorry....I just don't get the whole AN thing. The only amp I've ever liked was the Otto SE but only then with horn speakers or other speakers not needing much DF. The higher up the range the worse, imho, they've sounded.
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Post by macca on Jun 24, 2020 16:32:26 GMT
I had a listen to an Ongaku once. That was a disappointment. Maybe it had been built up too much but even if it hadn't it would still have been disappointing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 18:11:03 GMT
I had a listen to an Ongaku once. That was a disappointment. Maybe it had been built up too much but even if it hadn't it would still have been disappointing. Do you mean you heard a system with it in and you weren't impressed with the sound you were hearing from the system? Speakers and room ruled out? Once went with a mate to Neat Audio when he was after some speakers. They had some Celestion SL6s. We had a listen. After all I'd read about them I was expecting Great Things. I (and my mate) were both a bit surprised at the sat-on sound they had. The copper tweeter was supposed to sound a bit obvious, I'd read, but the top-end sounded pretty muted. Unsympathetic pairing with amp? Can't remember what it was now. Anyway, my mate went for a pair of B&W 110s which were about half the price of the SL6s when both were new. They just had more life and dynism in their presentation.
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Post by macca on Jun 24, 2020 19:26:54 GMT
I know what you mean. I've dismissed equipment before only to later hear it work well in a different context.
But in this case there was no reason the room would be that much of a factor and the system was all Audionote so in theory at least it shouldn't have been badly matched. It wasn't terrible, don't get me wrong. But from everything I'd read I was expecting to hear something a bit magical ( albeit not neutral) and it just wasn't - even with super-audiophile music. It was just very average.
Maybe it was just having a bad day, I don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 19:46:24 GMT
Maybe just a build up of ear wax. 🤓
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Post by macca on Jun 24, 2020 20:25:39 GMT
Cloth ears mate, that's me. Saves me a fortune!
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Post by sq225917 on Jun 25, 2020 13:49:37 GMT
Not sure what the uk AN amps are like but a Kondo m7 is one of the best pres I've ever heard. Simply stunning into big mono Nat power amps and the biggest of the old style art audio speakers. Utterly visceral.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 14:08:43 GMT
Interesting thoughts Simon, obviously different system different results, however as a previous Kondo M7 owner (Japanese earlier version)I was seriously underwhelmed, beautifully sweet and articulate zero grain, just not a lot in the way of involvement.
The M77 was a different matter although the cost difference was not insignificant, but life moves on and these days things are much more black and white.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 14:42:30 GMT
Unsurprisingly, nothing being sacred or really protected when it comes to Chinese cloning these days, I found this on Ebay: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254601451461Your very own M7 clone (minus casework, valves and a transformer) for £90-odd. It would be interesting to see how such clones tested. There doesn't seem to be anything remarkable about the design really. One side looks like power and rectification (looks like it's in part valve rectified and a lot really depends on that performing well...these days it seems more sensible to use fully solid state rectification to avoid the inherent issues with valve rectifiers. The translation isn't great...I'm assuming that they are referring to a blue Alps pot on this one? It might make for a fun project for someone.
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Post by antonio on Jun 28, 2020 15:20:37 GMT
Have you ever seen inside the real McCoy Paul?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 14:39:45 GMT
Have you ever seen inside the real McCoy Paul? Once, but sadly I didn't get to hear it. It's fair to say that some poetic licence has been taken with the Chinese copies! The real one didn't use a PCB as such either, not that there's anything wrong with a decent pcb.
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