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Post by rexton on Apr 10, 2020 18:05:55 GMT
Pt 1 - Slow boat to China.
COVID 19 does strange things to you. I've sorted through all my hifi gear and nearly flogged off most of what I want to shift. I'm now concentrating on getting those projects finished that I've been meaning to do but never got round to. This is my 2nd pair of JR149's. This pair is an extremely early red label pair, mine are in the 2000's so quite early. I decided to start by refurbishing the speaker cross over covers.
These covers have suffered from years of scuffs and previous owners sticking on the anywhere they fancy. The three feet on the JR149's are pretty crap and offer very little in surface clearance. So I'll probably see what I've got sitting around in the garage and replace them. I've stripped off the old glue holding these on and carefully polished out any minor scuffs and scrapes on the underside. I carefully removed the label as I intend to attach this back on exactly in the same place. I also wanted to keep the original large circular label intact.
The original label in the early 149's was a simple red "JR" label. As you can see mine has a massive scratch. This has been removed. I paint the JR label back on after they have been painted.
And this is what the first cover looks like now after 5 layers of primer. I'm letting this dry out now in my living room. Room temperature never dips below 22oC, yep I have cold blooded ladies living in the house!
Next part will be when I have something interesting to post. All I can say is that this will be a very special refurbishment.
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Post by jandl100 on Apr 10, 2020 19:25:44 GMT
Very nice speakers, I really enjoyed my pair, as well as a pair of JR150 I bought having caught the JR bug.
Have you got 'before' photos to show their overall condition? - or do we have to wait for subsequent installments?
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Post by rexton on Apr 10, 2020 19:33:53 GMT
You'll have to wait for instalments! That's the fun of the thread.
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Post by jandl100 on Apr 10, 2020 19:40:59 GMT
In my mid 60s. Virus pandemic running rampant. I may not last that long. It's OK, I'll wait - it's a good reason to try not to expire too soon.
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Post by jimbo on Apr 10, 2020 20:23:42 GMT
You'll have to wait for instalments! That's the fun of the thread. This could be a long one.
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Post by rexton on Apr 11, 2020 10:39:37 GMT
You'll have to wait for instalments! That's the fun of the thread. This could be a long one. Well it wont be that long. Part of the reason for doing this project is to create some more space in my garage and get these things singing again. I've had them for a couple of years sitting in a wardrobe. I had an itch for a pair of LS3/5a's some time ago and I frankly can't explain why people would pay such prices. This is my lateral thinking version of saving some money and having some fun.
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Post by gninnam on Apr 11, 2020 18:14:20 GMT
Great project and looking forward to the before and after pictures. I'm the same with the LS3/5a's - I was underwhelmed with what I heard - suppose we all have different ears !!
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Post by rexton on Apr 16, 2020 20:08:03 GMT
Pt II - The stripdown... Today I decided to work on one of the speaker cabs push the project forward a little bit. So, I removed both drivers units, de-soldered the XO, removed the metal grid in front of the drivers, hand polished each screw for the speakers. Then the fun began! I have no idea what the previous owner was thinking but they painted the wooden veneer with some really weird dark brown gunk! It took an age to remove, eventually I was rewarded with what I think is walnut veneer. I removed some of the old glue from the rolled steel casing, I still have some to remove, this takes an age and I don't want to scratch the metal casing. All JR149's have some scraping internally, apparently this always occurred due to the nature of how the casing was rolled into shape. The veneer is looking a lot healthier now as I cleaned it up and applied a couple of light coats of polish. I've still got a couple of new speaker gaskets to make but they are very easy to reproduce. I'm going to re-wiring the speaker units so I cleaned then down today and removed all the intrinsic wiring. I'll be replacing with some low impedance OFCC Cu wiring when I get chance. The base units will eventually be re-sprayed when I get chance to buy some more paint and I eventually hope to add a strong clear high gloss lacquer finish to give them some protection against scratches and a little additional extra "pop". The famous red JR logo will be added on again at some point. OK, so not the most exciting photo's but it you can see that one unit has been left untouched and the other has had 7-8 hours spent on it just getting it looking slightly reasonable.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 6:26:47 GMT
Nice job Andrew.
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Post by rexton on Apr 17, 2020 8:37:40 GMT
Thanks Paul, not as good as yours though! You have a PM!!
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Post by rexton on Apr 18, 2020 17:17:32 GMT
Pt 3 - Getting to the end... Well for one cab at least!
This little project is most enjoyable. I intend to fully refurbish one cabinet and then I'll post some pictures of the unrestored one. You should all see the difference then. Today has been all about using bits in the garage. Today I found some 6mm black EVA. The 149's had, originally 3 small felt or EVA feet on the underside of the XO housing. They usually fell off due to age or poor glue and its not that unusual to have some of the feet missing, mine certainly did. Well, after a quick 5 minutes on the pillar drill I had six new feet which are slightly more substantial and should offer the 149's a slightly more higher ground purchase so they don't get XO housings don't get scuffed when moving them. Supergluing them should stop them from falling off, unlike the originals!! I managed to find some clear gloss varnish so today I have varnished the top of one speaker cab and the underside rim. This is going to be a slow job as each coat of varnish take eight hours to cure. One complete coat of varnish for the speaker is going to take 24 hours due to the awkward nature of the speakers design. I've also polished and oiled the veneer, five coats in all. The clear varnish should hopefully give it a little more protection and a nice shiny finish. I've also spray painted the XO housing gloss black and it's matches the old colour of the 149's very faithfully, 5 coats of paint in all. The XO housing covers are now sitting in my listening room slowly curing. I'll wait 24 hours before I put any lacquer on these. Finally the XO screws and washers looked a little sorry for themselves with dirt and scratches. I wet/dry polished out the scratches, metal polished them and ultrasonically cleaned out 30-40 years worth of grime from the screw threads. They now look freshly lathed. Can't do much more tonight so it's curry time..
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Post by jimbo on Apr 18, 2020 18:31:44 GMT
Pt 3 - Getting to the end... Well for one cab at least! This little project is most enjoyable. I intend to fully refurbish one cabinet and then I'll post some pictures of the unrestored one. You should all see the difference then. Today has been all about using bits in the garage. Today I found some 6mm black EVA. The 149's had, originally 3 small felt or EVA feet on the underside of the XO housing. They usually fell off due to age or poor glue and its not that unusual to have some of the feet missing, mine certainly did. Well, after a quick 5 minutes on the pillar drill I had six new feet which are slightly more substantial and should offer the 149's a slightly more higher ground purchase so they don't get XO housings don't get scuffed when moving them. Supergluing them should stop them from falling off, unlike the originals!! I managed to find some clear gloss varnish so today I have varnished the top of one speaker cab and the underside rim. This is going to be a slow job as each coat of varnish take eight hours to cure. One complete coat of varnish for the speaker is going to take 24 hours due to the awkward nature of the speakers design. I've also polished and oiled the veneer, five coats in all. The clear varnish should hopefully give it a little more protection and a nice shiny finish. I've also spray painted the XO housing gloss black and it's matches the old colour of the 149's very faithfully, 5 coats of paint in all. The XO housing covers are now sitting in my listening room slowly curing. I'll wait 24 hours before I put any lacquer on these. Finally the XO screws and washers looked a little sorry for themselves with dirt and scratches. I wet/dry polished out the scratches, metal polished them and ultrasonically cleaned out 30-40 years worth of grime from the screw threads. They now look freshly lathed. Can't do much more tonight so it's curry time.. Just reading an old review of the 149s in Hifi News and record review. Interesting and unusual design.
We have just had a nice chicken, tomato and coconut curry ourselves tonight.
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Post by rexton on Apr 18, 2020 18:50:04 GMT
There's quite a decent thread over on PFM. The main take away is to leave the speaker stock standard. Well I'm not going to do that... nod nod wink wink.
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Post by jimbo on Apr 18, 2020 19:28:59 GMT
There's quite a decent thread over on PFM. The main take away is to leave the speaker stock standard. Well I'm not going to do that... nod nod wink wink. Something a bit special...?
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Post by rexton on Apr 18, 2020 20:04:41 GMT
Yep. The XO is ham shank! That's a bug clue for you.
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Post by rexton on Apr 19, 2020 20:00:11 GMT
Pt 4 - Design flaws
The JR149 continues to amaze me. Intrinsically they are wired with tinned copper and there seem to be several connections of various sorts in between the drivers and the XO's, why so many, all that solder and varied connectors can only be bad for signal transmission. I've learned today that my 149's were made in Oct 1976 making them 44 this year. I finally finished the XO bases today with a strong lacquer coat and I fitted the feet I made. I think they look very good indeed. The first cabinet has been fully varnished so now I guess it's time to start on the second cab. I stripped it down today. I removed and cleaned the drivers, de-soldered the old wire from the speaker drivers, removed the XO's. stripped out the old tinner copper wire and dismantled the speaker driver cage. Tomorrow I'll start on the woodwork of the second cabinet. I will get some pics up at some point, promise!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 19:02:46 GMT
Pt 4 - Design flaws The JR149 continues to amaze me. Intrinsically they are wired with tinned copper and there seem to be several connections of various sorts in between the drivers and the XO's, why so many, all that solder and varied connectors can only be bad for signal transmission. I've learned today that my 149's were made in Oct 1976 making them 44 this year. I finally finished the XO bases today with a strong lacquer coat and I fitted the feet I made. I think they look very good indeed. The first cabinet has been fully varnished so now I guess it's time to start on the second cab. I stripped it down today. I removed and cleaned the drivers, de-soldered the old wire from the speaker drivers, removed the XO's. stripped out the old tinner copper wire and dismantled the speaker driver cage. Tomorrow I'll start on the woodwork of the second cabinet. I will get some pics up at some point, promise!! Is this a second pair you've had? I remember you doing a pair elsewhere, but thought you'd finished them
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Post by rexton on Apr 21, 2020 20:00:15 GMT
Yep 2nd pair.
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Post by gninnam on Apr 25, 2020 9:49:47 GMT
Any movement on these??
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Post by rexton on Apr 25, 2020 11:15:56 GMT
Yes loads. I'll write something up later. I've been taking loads of photo's and generally taking it easy. All I can say is that they look a lot better than when they started and should when I get the new XO's sound a lot better.
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Post by rexton on Apr 25, 2020 12:57:43 GMT
Pt 5
Work has moved on quite a fair old bit since I last wrote. I have finished the second speaker cabinet. I stripped layers and layers of old varnish away to reveal a lovely walnut veneer. I'm not quite sure what the last owners had done to the veneer, maybe it was old cigarette smoke or an attempt using a wood colouring product but boy was it ugly. I lightly sanded the veneer down, polished it and then later added a single coat of strong gloss varnish. The veneer pops out and looks very good, I'm happy. Like always I ultrasonically clean and then polish all metal parts. The screws had calcium deposits and the XO aluminium locking nuts had paint and varnish on them. Everything now looks factory fresh. Extrinsically the stainless steel cabinets of the JR149 were pretty shabby and to an extent they still are. The production standards were pretty low when constructing these things. They just look like they were thrown together, glue just dried on the extrinsic surface of the cab, no care taken to remove it. The glue also holds the top and bottom of the speaker to the steel cabinet, so it's integral and fully removing it compromises the structural integrity of the speaker. DOH! The 149 does have two strips of Velcro glued onto the back of the cabinet in a similar way but this can be tidied up and this is what I have done. I stripped away all the glue and then reattached the velcro strips. This section of the cab looks presentable. Finally i gave both steel cabs a clean down with pure 100% alcohol, yep, they were filthy.
I've ordered some reticulated foam to make a couple of speaker "grills" but these will function more as dust covers rather than a functional part of the speaker when it's working. I've commissioned a pair of extrinsic XO's from Paul at RFC, we are still doing through the spec. The XO's are to be soldered into place at a later date. So far this is the only part of the 149's which is to be modded. I did speak with Paul and he suggested an additional layer of foam internally so yesterday was spent cutting and fitting an additional layer of foam into the speaker cabs. The intrinsic walls of the cab have already been damped by the employee's at Jim Rogers. I made four new speaker gasket from 3mm medium density EVA to replace the withered foam jobbies that currently resided behind the drive units. I also attached the gaskets onto the driver units to keep them in place. I now need to make a couple of JR logo's for the front of the XO holders and I have a couple of small jobs to do and then they are finished.
Phew!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 9:26:16 GMT
I thought it worth mentioning that what I actually said was that it was important if stripping out and disposing of old foam to replace it with a similar amount of new as the "Q" value for sealed cabs is very important. Too much and you over-damp...to little and you under-damp which can appreciably alter how they were initially voiced. I think what I mentioned as that despite the cylindrical shape being a good stiff option and better in refraction terms than a normal rectangular baffle, the internal surface behind the driver might benefit with a 2mm layer of iso-elastomer such as "Silent Coat" which helps damp out unwanted remaining resonances.
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Post by rexton on Apr 26, 2020 9:37:34 GMT
Gotcha. No harm done!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 11:18:56 GMT
Good man!
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Post by rexton on Apr 28, 2020 16:11:43 GMT
Pt 6 - Foam accuracy.
I got a delivery of reticulated foam today so I decided to make the missing front foam covers. I've tried to keep the restoration as faithful as possible but I made an error today. The original foam covers sit flush beneath the top and bottom covers of the speakers, mine sit proud by 10mm, arrggghhhhh! So, now I know better. I should have done my homework! The speakers now look factory fresh, I've still a few small jobs to do like make a couple of new logo's and then rewire the new XO's when they arrive and then that's it. I'm sitting here now looking at the 149's safe in the knowledge I'll never sell them unless I really have to. They will now sit in my listening room along with the other 4 pairs of speakers and get played on an "as and when" fashion. They have been fun to restore. I'll now need to edit some photo's and post the history of the resto!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 18:27:10 GMT
Andy. Andy. What were you thinking? Not like you. Downloaded some stuff years ago for the pair I got:
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Post by rexton on Apr 30, 2020 20:53:09 GMT
Yes, holds head in shame, forgot to do my homework!
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Post by jimbo on Apr 30, 2020 20:54:43 GMT
Cant wait to see the finished speakers Andy.
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Post by rexton on Apr 30, 2020 20:58:58 GMT
Sneak Peek! Wait till the external XO arrive.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 7:20:05 GMT
It will be a little while Andy as the inductors are taking an age presently....5 to 6 weeks for the XOs would be my best guess on current timelines, depending on whether my suspended speaker commission (one supplier is in lockdown) resurrects within that time frame. It'll be worth the wait, don't worry!
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