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Post by stevew on Mar 26, 2020 18:38:30 GMT
Owning 2 ‘decent’ turntables in a Roksan Xerxes and a Kenwood KD750 it was a leap of faith to jump in with both feet for the SP10, arm and cartridge all in one go. Oh and I managed to get my hands on a Tenuto mat. However retirement has come with some benefits and I wanted to up the game in vinyl reproduction. The whole setup has been sourced through Angus, also known as Phonomac here and elsewhere. He refurbished the SP10 to resolve issues that might lurk, testing and replacing components where necessary. He builds the plinth from Panzerholz and mounting to suit the Audio Technics AT1010. However the arm is completely rebuilt with numerous parts replaced and machined, becoming the PMAT 1010. It’s a giant killer. The Ortofon Kontrapunkt B cartridge is worked on by Killian at Holistic Audio in Holland. Angus described the upgrade to the kb here ‘ a cartridge which has had all essential parts renewed – suspension and stylus - with the addition of the internal components from the higher end Ortofon cartridges which is what makes it into a close relative of the Vienna. It is also hand-aligned for optimum channel separation and balance. ‘ I am something of a loss for words at the way that I’m now hearing my vinyl. It’s super clean, which is a bit of a shock compared with other decks that are ‘muddy’ in acoustic. At the same time all is revealed, interaction between musicians more easily understood, and detail such as room acoustic very obvious. I thought the Xerxes was good, especially since I mounted a PMAT 1050 on it (it’s how it all started!). Another Angus modified arm. However my struggle to express the improvement is because there really is no comparison and I haven’t heard the improvements in incremental steps. It’s been one huge jump Apart from all the usual hifi cliches (think separation/soundstage/musical information/ immediacy etc etc) I think the biggest surprise to be has been in low frequency information. The phono is an Alan (Firebottle) Vivant and amp is a Lyngdorf 2200 (with room correction) combined with Harbeth 3PESR’s. I’ve always found them a bit bass light. Not any more. Plenty of bass (ok, not subterranean). But fast bass rather than bloated. Again takes some adjusting to. However I’ve gained a whole different perspective on how the lower levels of music support and drive it along. In fact that’s the biggest pleasure of all is the insight into how musicians are working, how a song works etc Oh.. and speakers just disappear. If I had to try and be critical it’s that the soundstage isn’t as big as in Angus’s system. I’m told that the soundstage will open up after 100 hours or so. After a week of ownership I’d thought I’d also look at what improvements might be made to the tonearm cable, although I wasn’t too sure how much better things could get. Just had a feeling that the existing Jelco was filtering some info. Having heard one in another system and read good reviews I asked Oli (Bigman80) to make me a Spotfire Tonearm cable. The price seemed very reasonable at £134 delivered. It replaced a Jelco cable that wasn’t too shabby. Wow.. even further insight into recordings. String instruments are revealed even more, and you can hear even more of the recording room acoustics. The balance of presentation of all the musicians on a track suddenly seems ‘right’ along with the detail revealed. A gamble that has definitely paid off. This is my end game deck that a lifetime of working has given me. Just hope there’s a bit more time left to enjoy it, and that goes for us all.
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Post by firebottle on Mar 26, 2020 18:42:24 GMT
Well done Steve. Top notch vinyl replay is ace!
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Post by jimbo on Mar 26, 2020 19:31:42 GMT
Looks excellent Steve and I am sure that is going to give you so much pleasure.
Have you got any vinyl?
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Post by karma67 on Mar 26, 2020 19:39:46 GMT
i will echoe what has already said,it looks lovely and welcome to the pmat-1010 owners club,a truely stunning arm! enjoy!
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 26, 2020 19:44:55 GMT
Congratulations Steve,
You have put together a world class vinyl front end there. Regardless of price, it's just hard not to hear the value of the work Angus does.
Where this rig will excell is in price Vs performance. You'll struggle to better any part of that setup without selling a kidney.....maybe both.
Hyperbole? Hell no.
Enjoy the turntable with your wife. Spend warm evenings listening to music in a way you haven't before and relax, you're sorted.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 20:03:05 GMT
I hope this gives you much pleasure for many years to come. I will have to get to listen to one of these SP-10 things at some point, but it could prove to be an expensive thing to do.
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Post by stevew on Mar 26, 2020 20:16:19 GMT
Looks excellent Steve and I am sure that is going to give you so much pleasure. Have you got any vinyl?
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Post by jimbo on Mar 26, 2020 20:50:38 GMT
Ah - good, your going to be getting through a lot of that over the next few days!
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 26, 2020 20:56:30 GMT
I hope this gives you much pleasure for many years to come. I will have to get to listen to one of these SP-10 things at some point, but it could prove to be an expensive thing to do. You could do with a listen to a good one tbf. Theres a synergy between arm and turntable that is pretty much spot on. The PMAT1010 arm also has the benefit of being honed to a level it doesn't have any right being at lol. folks selling SME V's and SME turntables to pay Angus for a SP10 and PMAT1010. ABSOLUTELY TRUE
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Post by stevew on Mar 26, 2020 21:10:55 GMT
... I think Angus said he had some more PMAT 1010’s in the pipeline. I would not hesitate
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Post by electronumpty on Mar 26, 2020 21:16:06 GMT
When I was thinking about upgrading my arm I did enquire with him but we couldn't be sure of the geometry in my Interspace. Ended up with Audio Origami Uniarm instead which was a straight drop in. Very happy with it but always wondered what might have been sort of thing.
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Post by stevew on Mar 26, 2020 21:18:08 GMT
Ah - good, your going to be getting through a lot of that over the next few days! Oh yeah... and this arriving tomorrow!
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Post by jimbo on Mar 28, 2020 11:20:16 GMT
I think this would be the DD set up I would aspire to myself Steve. Having heard Olivers, and I am sure yours will sound mighty similar, it is a state of the art analogue device that is almost an end game vinyl spinner. It will extract and convey nuances in recordings you may never have known before. I a particularly impressed at its rock solid dynamic drive and its ability to disappear as it were leaving you with just the recording. Not sure if there will be any left when I get round to buy one but I am sure Oli will sell me his when he feels digital finally takes over 100%
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Post by firebottle on Mar 28, 2020 12:50:27 GMT
I wouldn't be too sure of that last line James.
I am still amazed at the performance I am getting from my humble GL75 and Lyra Clavis combo. It must be at the top of a 'budget deck' performance.
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Post by jimbo on Mar 28, 2020 13:28:18 GMT
I wouldn't be too sure of that last line James. I am still amazed at the performance I am getting from my humble GL75 and Lyra Clavis combo. It must be at the top of a 'budget deck' performance. Its typical Alan, I have all this time "working from home" and I would love to pop round and listen too your system but because of the isolation measures i can't!
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Post by antonio on Mar 28, 2020 15:18:17 GMT
I wouldn't be too sure of that last line James. I am still amazed at the performance I am getting from my humble GL75 and Lyra Clavis combo. It must be at the top of a 'budget deck' performance. Nothing budget about the sound of the Lyra Clavis, wait till you hear what an Helikon can do.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 28, 2020 15:42:30 GMT
I think this would be the DD set up I would aspire to myself Steve. Having heard Olivers, and I am sure yours will sound mighty similar, it is a state of the art analogue device that is almost an end game vinyl spinner. It will extract and convey nuances in recordings you may never have known before. I a particularly impressed at its rock solid dynamic drive and its ability to disappear as it were leaving you with just the recording. Not sure if there will be any left when I get round to buy one but I am sure Oli will sell me his when he feels digital finally takes over 100% lol.....I don't know if i'd ever sell it as i couldn't get another one in as good condition and fully serviced for another 30 years. We'll have a chat. I hope you have plenty of profit left! lol
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Post by stevew on Mar 28, 2020 20:11:04 GMT
I wouldn't be too sure of that last line James. I am still amazed at the performance I am getting from my humble GL75 and Lyra Clavis combo. It must be at the top of a 'budget deck' performance. Nothing budget about the sound of the Lyra Clavis, wait till you hear what an Helikon can do. I’ve heard Alan’s system. Nothing but nothing budget about it.
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Post by stevew on Mar 29, 2020 10:14:57 GMT
I think this would be the DD set up I would aspire to myself Steve. Having heard Olivers, and I am sure yours will sound mighty similar, it is a state of the art analogue device that is almost an end game vinyl spinner. It will extract and convey nuances in recordings you may never have known before. I a particularly impressed at its rock solid dynamic drive and its ability to disappear as it were leaving you with just the recording. Not sure if there will be any left when I get round to buy one but I am sure Oli will sell me his when he feels digital finally takes over 100% As of yesterday I suspect our decks are very very similar apart from whatever differences the cartridges bring. So as a PS to my posting I need to add something Moving down the chain I was aware of the potential for further improvement (even if that was hard to imagine). So I asked Oli to make me a Spotfire Tonearm cable. It replaced a Jelco cable that wasn’t too shabby. Wow.. even further insight into recordings. String instruments are revealed even more, and you can hear more of the recording room acoustics Not night and day differences, but definitely another major step,
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 29, 2020 10:42:43 GMT
I think this would be the DD set up I would aspire to myself Steve. Having heard Olivers, and I am sure yours will sound mighty similar, it is a state of the art analogue device that is almost an end game vinyl spinner. It will extract and convey nuances in recordings you may never have known before. I a particularly impressed at its rock solid dynamic drive and its ability to disappear as it were leaving you with just the recording. Not sure if there will be any left when I get round to buy one but I am sure Oli will sell me his when he feels digital finally takes over 100% As of yesterday I suspect our decks are very very similar apart from whatever differences the cartridges bring. So as a PS to my posting I need to add something Moving down the chain I was aware of the potential for further improvement (even if that was hard to imagine). So I asked Oli to make me a Spotfire Tonearm cable. It replaced a Jelco cable that wasn’t too shabby. Wow.. even further insight into recordings. String instruments are revealed even more, and you can hear more of the recording room acoustics Not night and day differences, but definitely another major step, NOT NIGHT AND DAY? ?? That Jelco cable must be a one off Glad you're enjoying it.
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Post by stevew on Mar 29, 2020 14:51:26 GMT
As of yesterday I suspect our decks are very very similar apart from whatever differences the cartridges bring. So as a PS to my posting I need to add something Moving down the chain I was aware of the potential for further improvement (even if that was hard to imagine). So I asked Oli to make me a Spotfire Tonearm cable. It replaced a Jelco cable that wasn’t too shabby. Wow.. even further insight into recordings. String instruments are revealed even more, and you can hear more of the recording room acoustics Not night and day differences, but definitely another major step, NOT NIGHT AND DAY? ?? That Jelco cable must be a one off Glad you're enjoying it. It’s a significant improvement.. interesting to see what 100 hours brings, both to the cable and the cartridge I’m guessing
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 29, 2020 14:55:34 GMT
NOT NIGHT AND DAY? ?? That Jelco cable must be a one off Glad you're enjoying it. It’s a significant improvement.. interesting to see what 100 hours brings, both to the cable and the cartridge I’m guessing Haha, I'm only pulling your leg. Its quality will reveal itself over time. After a couple of weeks or so, go back to the Jelco and see what you think. I always find it's when you go back that you realise what the differences are.
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Post by stevew on Apr 1, 2020 16:56:48 GMT
Just a small note to say that I’ve modified my review after a week of intensive listening (one bloody advantage of this nightmare), and posted on AOS Thought the Spotfire profile could do with being maintained!
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Post by jimbo on Apr 1, 2020 17:36:41 GMT
A good read and excellent result Steve.
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 1, 2020 17:49:46 GMT
Just a small note to say that I’ve modified my review after a week of intensive listening (one bloody advantage of this nightmare), and posted on AOS Thought the Spotfire profile could do with being maintained! Good man, I appreciate that. Your original post now has the update
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Post by stevew on Apr 1, 2020 18:00:25 GMT
Well.. one thing that happened was that when I installed the Spotfire I obviously applied to much pressure to make sure the din sockets were properly seated. What I succeeded in doing was actually pushing the arm itself up as I hadn’t tightened the securing screw enough. So .. having discovered my error, guess what ? Having reset the vta and got the cartridge nice and level again, it all sounds rather more coherent. If I had a brain I’d be dangerous
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