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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 19, 2020 20:26:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 20:28:49 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 19, 2020 20:44:20 GMT
Removing the arm usually does more for the sound Hahaha, love it. To be fair, I was banging on about it the other day and @engine was quite right to say I was talking bollocks. Just thought I'd refer to a independent source. |
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Post by stevew on Feb 19, 2020 22:06:19 GMT
Removing the arm usually does more for the sound Removed my rb300 in the summer. Did a lot for the sound and opened up a whole new world. Replaced with a PMAT 1005 Lordy. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 19, 2020 22:45:24 GMT
Removing the arm usually does more for the sound Removed my rb300 in the summer. Did a lot for the sound and opened up a whole new world. Replaced with a PMAT 1005 Lordy. Ah, well that's no comparison |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 6:19:20 GMT
They can sound good, but not from stock IMO. The internal and external wire, including tags is rubbish. They sound very diffuse compared to better stuff. Also there appears to be a problem with the stub arrangement. A tensioned stub like the ones used by Pete Riggle and Origin Live works wonders. But by the time you’ve spend nearly £300 on upgrades, it’s not a budget arm and it still won’t let you set VTA.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 20, 2020 6:59:36 GMT
They can sound good, but not from stock IMO. The internal and external wire, including tags is rubbish. They sound very diffuse compared to better stuff. Also there appears to be a problem with the stub arrangement. A tensioned stub like the ones used by Pete Riggle and Origin Live works wonders. But by the time you’ve spend nearly £300 on upgrades, it’s not a budget arm and it still won’t let you set VTA. Yes I still agree with that aspect. Interestingly, the headshell seems to be a real weak point of the arm too.. |
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Post by dsjr on Feb 20, 2020 10:41:36 GMT
I have to apologise to Westie (in public here) as I've had a fascinating online discussion with a chap on ASR as regards one philosophy of tightening everything up almost until it breaks on the one hand - and merely nipping stuff up as per other engineering thoughts on another. Apparently, tightening everything up tight just lifts the frequencies of vibration higher and makes them even harder to deal with - makes for a more exciting listen I suppose... I couldn't get my head around NOT tightening up a Rega RB300 fixing nut too much as i'm sure a Rega deck sounded better with all done up firmly). It's been suggested to only nip up an RB300 fixing nut and in the case of the RB330 era arm for example, to perhaps firmly nip up the first screw and then fit the others barely nipped at all, just so they don't come loose... As for the tracking force spring, I never felt it did any harm and I seem to remember it's at maximum setting on '0 balance' and then let pout as you increase the tracking weight (old memory now). Something that came out of the discussion is manufacturer's puff (even Roy Gandy's). In the car field, no car manufacturer would tell the whole truth good or not, about a car's performance or design so as not to give too much away to the competition, who would normally get hold of a sample by retail means and deconstruct it. Audio magazines don't stand an effin' chance to be honest and even long standing reviewers (the HFN 'Guru's' some of us remember going back to the 70's) have to know where their bread's buttered...
My take and experience was that often, using rubber bushings and so on (older SME bedplate fixing) to decouple things, could mess with mid-bass frequencies too much (solid plinth turntables can suffer this audibly if siting isn't taken care of) but maybe our generally smaller rooms and closer-to-speaker positioning makes it worse (I still have a thing about 'HiFi Shrines' where it's all together with the speakers each side of the gear on display).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 21:03:01 GMT
Arms are a law unto themselves at times  As for Regas, I only wish the Pete Riggle VTAF with Teflon insert was available in the uk without import costs. Once heard never forgotten. I know I sometimes knock the stock Regas but two things I can’t argue with are the fair prices Rega charge and the fact their arms have made turntable enjoyment more affordable for stacks of people. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 21, 2020 21:06:31 GMT
Arms are a law unto themselves at times As for Regas, I only wish the Pete Riggle VTAF with Teflon insert was available in the uk without import costs. Once heard never forgotten. I know I sometimes knock the stock Regas but two things I can’t argue with are the fair prices Rega charge and the fact their arms have made turntable enjoyment more affordable for stacks of people. Affordable hifi is an admirable thing. Fair play indeed. |
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