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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 10, 2020 19:33:04 GMT
Hans is a big fan.
I must admit, i had a very strong suspicion that this DAC could be something special.
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Post by sq225917 on Feb 10, 2020 20:42:57 GMT
Shmoke and a pancake...
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Post by macca on Feb 11, 2020 8:15:54 GMT
Two grand!
At least it doesn't have any time smearing...
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 11, 2020 9:26:56 GMT
Two grand! At least it doesn't have any time smearing... 🤣🤣 £2k is nothing in HiFi, especially in the world of HiEnd. |
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Post by macca on Feb 11, 2020 11:10:48 GMT
It's a lot of money just for a DAC though. The DAC I'm using cost fifty quid and came with a free SACD player attached  However - ASR thought it measured pretty respectably, and it does look to be well thought out and well made. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 13:13:12 GMT
Yes, but how much better is it than the RPI DAC that Oliver already has?
Probably not massively better.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 11, 2020 13:42:32 GMT
Well I'm starting to think that most of this DAC lark is more about the small things like revealing special cues and intricacies that lie within the recording
As I've experienced better DACs, that's where Ive noticed the biggest improvements
Its soundstage, imaging and separation that has benefitted most.
For me, those things are very important andvi would be happy to pay for that
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 7:40:54 GMT
Sure, but then something better will come along.
Do you have enough decent hi-res material do warrant such a spend over a Sabaj D5 or Topping D90?
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 12, 2020 8:00:47 GMT
Sure, but then something better will come along. Do you have enough decent hi-res material do warrant such a spend over a Sabaj D5 or Topping D90? Very good point. The DAC market seems to be the most quickly upgradeable area in HiFi. Everytime a new dac chip is released, theres a new topping Dxx released, which they seem to have managed to just about beat the last Dxx with. I know a few guys who are waiting for the development to down, before they commit to a model from anyone. I'd be far more likely to pick up a D90 than a Denafrips, Holo or other high priced DAC. To get the absolute best pit of any digital setup, there seems to be a few areas of special attention too, so it's never just about the dac, its how you send it the files too. At the minute, my RPI and PecanPi are doing the job admirably and I think I too, will be waiting a bit before committing to anything else..... Unless a bargain appears |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 8:27:54 GMT
That is the main reason I upgraded my SEG, rather than jump sideways.
I have two DACs in my system still, and there is still not a massive difference between them.
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Post by macca on Feb 12, 2020 8:59:24 GMT
Sure, but then something better will come along. Do you have enough decent hi-res material do warrant such a spend over a Sabaj D5 or Topping D90? Very good point. The DAC market seems to be the most quickly upgradeable area in HiFi. It's certainly the most hyped area in hi-fi. Punters seem to be convinced that big leaps forward are being made all the time, and for a few hundred they can jump on the latest bandwagon every six months or so. No-one wants to believe that DACS were mature technology by the end of the 1980s if not before. Okay so the mags hype them up but it's their job to hype stuff up. But now you've got the likes of Hans with his ridiculous 'time smearing' and all the associated nonsense. I don't blame the salesmen, it's their job, but why do so many people unquestioningly buy into it all?
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 12, 2020 9:05:35 GMT
Very good point. The DAC market seems to be the most quickly upgradeable area in HiFi. It's certainly the most hyped area in hi-fi. Punters seem to be convinced that big leaps forward are being made all the time, and for a few hundred they can jump on the latest bandwagon every six months or so. No-one wants to believe that DACS were mature technology by the end of the 1980s if not before. Okay so the mags hype them up but it's their job to hype stuff up. But now you've got the likes of Hans with his ridiculous 'time smearing' and all the associated nonsense. I don't blame the salesmen, it's their job, but why do so many people unquestioningly buy into it all?
Streaming is big business so it stands to reason that dacs are where the motivation lies for manufacturers |
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Post by macca on Feb 12, 2020 13:02:52 GMT
That's true. But I do wonder how a device that does something as relatively simple as a DAC can have acquired so much mysticism around it and prompt people to spend so much money. I see situations where thousands are spent on a DAC to be used with a system that is hugely compromised by the loudspeakers. Just makes no sense to me. I've had a listen to some hugely expensive digital sources over the years and have never thought that they were doing anything over and above what any competent cd player that can be picked up for under a ton second hand can do. If I had I would have gone and spent the money already. Actually one of the best sounds from digital I've ever heard was a humble Squeezbox Touch. The system was improved with a change of amp, and again with a change of speakers, but the source was doing nothing wrong. Isn't that the beauty of digital? That it's near perfect for not a lot of money? There's a limit to how good recorded music can sound, that limit is really the speakers and the room. I don't really understand what people are looking for in their digital source but I do think they are wrapped up in the mysticism and not paying attention to the facts - or indeed the sound. If you don't understand the technology then it's magic and in magic anything can happen, the potential appears limitless, faith replaces reason and then you get this sort of thing pinkfishmedia.net/forum/threads/the-john-westlake-lakewest-mdac-fdac-vfet-and-detox.233225/ |
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