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Post by rexton on Feb 7, 2020 20:11:27 GMT
Guys,
My Ortofon SPU Royal N has given up the ghost. So, I'm putting a call out to all trade sellers and fellow members who may have a MC up for sale. New or second hand considered. It will live on a SME V-12. Suggestions and recommendations also very welcome. The cartridge will mainly be for Jazz, classical.
Thanks
Andy
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 0:20:14 GMT
You've got £2000 to spend and you're asking about 2nd hand styli ? You do realise that you could buy a brand new straight jacket for 2 grand ? You obviously don't need to spend any of it on "taking the piss" lessons.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 7:37:55 GMT
You've got £2000 to spend and you're asking about 2nd hand styli ? You do realise that you could buy a brand new straight jacket for 2 grand ? You obviously don't need to spend any of it on "taking the piss" lessons. Jeez keep yer shirt on Yorkie. No need for that is there? You better stop this sort of thing immediately. If you do not I will show you what taking the piss realy means. Prancing around shouting the odds, like a flippen attention seeking Dandy in your Nancy Boy Loafers. You been overdosing on The Fall again, or something equally as offensive to good music from your vast collection of Punk Shyte!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 8:40:14 GMT
I mean talking the piss out of us poor mortals on Dyno 10X's and anabolic RB300's. 😄
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 9:25:33 GMT
What you on about, you don't see me complaining cause all I got is a 70's Pioneer rescued from the dump and an AT 95.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 11:07:50 GMT
Andy
A suggestion for you Hana ML, it is one of those products that really does deliver, if I had vinyl I would own one of these.
One of my brothers work colleague recently was on a cartridge hunt, he tried out a few well known and respected needles as he calls them, far more expensive like 3-4 times the price, he settled on the Hana simply because it just make music sound right to his ears.
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Post by dsjr on Feb 8, 2020 12:44:16 GMT
Nah, Hana's will be far too cheap and they've got no added expensive cachet either... You think I'm joking here? The below is from a confirmed Decca Gold Microscanner owning fan who used to regard older SPU's as over-ripe stodge-boxes, so be warned (my opinions were severely changed later by RD's middle aged sample, but I still find them too controlling and restrained for me compared to the wilder sounding master quality I sadly got rather used to and which 'digital' can have in spades)... Zyx do seem to make very good cartridges and in this thread, to hell that they seemed to all but double in price after 2008 as did a lot of gear, imported or not. I'm a Lyra fan but after a typically restrained SPU balance the extra hf may not appeal initially - it takes around twenty minutes for our faculties to fully adjust to these kind of differences after the initial 'shock' has worn off I gather. Same with the Rega Apheta 3, which sounded so good when I heard it with an amazing master-like clarity to the sound, although it takes no prisoners on bad pressings. I liked the top Dynavectors I heard, but again, memories of the XX2 and 17D3 are of a leaner more 'precise' kind of tone (more exactly how the record was cut incidentally but not always pleasant to listen to). The AT's that I know aren't 'exalted' enough and well under a grand new (OC9's and some 33 models) and I've no idea on the top models they make.
I'm out of touch with Ortofon's more conventional MC's now, but it worried me that like ProJect with their decks, there's a model with different sonics for all tastes and prices...
I wonder - Didn't Kiseki re-introduce the Blue - All of them rather good and a pal who sadly passed away last week had a wonderful sounding (in an SME V) Agate Ruby which would be thousands now...
I remember this as a lower cost MC at under £500 when the PH Saphire was the one at £750 or so. Of course, my judgement of prices is way out now, especially after 2008 when the British currency tumbled
Now £2500 -
Heck, even Cymbiosis like them - EEK!!!
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 8, 2020 12:50:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 14:09:37 GMT
<abbr>Sorry double post </abbr>
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 14:19:23 GMT
Nah, Hana's will be far too cheap and they've got no added expensive cachet either... You think I'm joking here?
Dave
Cahcet? no, just a musical experience, the turntable Marcus has is significantly more in cost, he did actually try four cartridges up to the £5000 mark and his system he felt that the best offer very little in terms of performance gains over the Hana, like you he started out with Hana who?? and decided (before listening) that it was just a passing fad. After a few weeks the Hana sat happily within his quality system. He felt that its balance of natural, realistic open presentation sat well within he musical tastes. The cartridge it replaced was a Van de Hul grasshopper.
The Benz LPs is a cartridge I have had extensive experience with and find very nice, these would be within the suggested budget used
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Post by dsjr on Feb 8, 2020 16:58:36 GMT
I'm not doubting or disagreeing with you one iota, but if the view is such that only a £1 - 2k cartridge will do, then that's the end of it really. I do know the Hana's a little and know them to be very good, but when a once £60 Dynavector is now nearly £600 and still popular, it makes me think that selling price can be important in choices....
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Post by rexton on Feb 8, 2020 17:36:10 GMT
Right let's cut the bullshit. I couldn't give a flying F#ck about cachet or a cartridge being a certain name or price point. Secondly I opened this thread up to have an intelligent discussion about options available in my budget range, not an exercise in piss taking. If you've got the money you spend it, it's as simple as that, no point being envious and whinging. The Hana carts are an option as are Transfiguration. I've had numerous high-end ortofons, Keotsu's, AT's, SPU's. I've not tried Benz yet but have heard a few. I've had no PM's so I presume no carts are on offer.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 8, 2020 17:47:03 GMT
Right let's cut the bullshit. I couldn't give a flying F#ck about cachet or a cartridge being a certain name or price point. Secondly I opened this thread up to have an intelligent discussion about options available in my budget range, not an exercise in piss taking. If you've got the money you spend it, it's as simple as that, no point being envious and whinging. The Hana carts are an option as are Transfiguration. I've had numerous high-end ortofons, Keotsu's, AT's, SPU's. I've not tried Benz yet but have heard a few. I've had no PM's so I presume no carts are on offer. Not sure you'll get High End used gear here, Andrew. We are a largely budget conscious group, somewhat removed from the opulence thats freely flaunted (and encouraged) elsewhere. For an indication of this, see the thread where engine, Dave and Jammy Sh#t a brick when I explained why I'd spend £2k on an Ortofon Vienna 🤣 Good luck with the search. Let us know what you end up with. Btw, what system is it for?
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Post by rexton on Feb 8, 2020 18:16:57 GMT
Right let's cut the bullshit. I couldn't give a flying F#ck about cachet or a cartridge being a certain name or price point. Secondly I opened this thread up to have an intelligent discussion about options available in my budget range, not an exercise in piss taking. If you've got the money you spend it, it's as simple as that, no point being envious and whinging. The Hana carts are an option as are Transfiguration. I've had numerous high-end ortofons, Keotsu's, AT's, SPU's. I've not tried Benz yet but have heard a few. I've had no PM's so I presume no carts are on offer. Not sure you'll get High End used gear here, Andrew. We are a largely budget conscious group, somewhat removed from the opulence thats freely flaunted (and encouraged) elsewhere. For an indication of this, see the thread where engine, Dave and Jammy Sh#t a brick when I explained why I'd spend £2k on an Ortofon Vienna 🤣 Good luck with the search. Let us know what you end up with. Btw, what system is it for?
The cart will sit on the end of a SME V-12 and Garrard 401. Paradise 4-box phonostage, alongside Croft Epoch/Sondex S100 pre/power combo, Tannoy 15" MG's in wardrobe cabs.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 8, 2020 19:45:00 GMT
Not sure you'll get High End used gear here, Andrew. We are a largely budget conscious group, somewhat removed from the opulence thats freely flaunted (and encouraged) elsewhere. For an indication of this, see the thread where engine, Dave and Jammy Sh#t a brick when I explained why I'd spend £2k on an Ortofon Vienna 🤣 Good luck with the search. Let us know what you end up with. Btw, what system is it for?
The cart will sit on the end of a SME V-12 and Garrard 401. Paradise 4-box phonostage, alongside Croft Epoch/Sondex S100 pre/power combo, Tannoy 15" MG's in wardrobe cabs.
Heard your pre and power combo here, it was lively. Considered a koetsu?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 19:49:21 GMT
I'm not short of the money. I just spend it on records. 🤘😏
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 8, 2020 20:06:02 GMT
I'm not short of the money. I just spend it on records. 🤘😏 No, I dont think you are, not judging by your shoes lol
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Post by rexton on Feb 8, 2020 20:35:55 GMT
Tried Koetsu's. Bit staid. I like clinical and incisive.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 8, 2020 21:28:19 GMT
Tried Koetsu's. Bit staid. I like clinical and incisive. I'd look at that Ortofon A90 I linked to
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 9:57:40 GMT
Tried Koetsu's. Bit staid. I like clinical and incisive. Is the SPU Royal N like that then? I'd fancied trying one once my Classic GM is done with.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 17:26:17 GMT
Tried Koetsu's. Bit staid. I like clinical and incisive. Is the SPU Royal N like that then? I'd fancied trying one once my Classic GM is done with. Bump rexton as I am interested in your thoughts on this....
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 13, 2020 17:34:54 GMT
Is the SPU Royal N like that then? I'd fancied trying one once my Classic GM is done with. Bump rexton as I am interested in your thoughts on this.... rexton has suggested the Phasemation battered any SPU he has heard. Might be worth having a look at that thread unless you are married to the idea?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 18:54:18 GMT
Thanks Oli but that’s not what I meant. I had a PP300 on my list as a next option along with the Royal. The question I had was concerning rexton saying he preferred the Royal N to Koetsu as he likes clinical and incisive.
I wouldn’t necessarily want that as it sounds like different words for bright..... Of course if someone tells me my classic GM is bright too I may have to re-evaluate what’s bright and what isn’t lol.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 13, 2020 18:56:40 GMT
Thanks Oli but that’s not what I meant. I had a PP300 on my list as a next option along with the Royal. The question I had was concerning rexton saying he preferred the Royal N to Koetsu as he likes clinical and incisive. I wouldn’t necessarily want that as it sounds like different words for bright..... Of course if someone tells me my classic GM is bright too I may have to re-evaluate what’s bright and what isn’t lol. Oh i see! That makes sense now.
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Post by rexton on Feb 13, 2020 19:11:47 GMT
I'm not writing anything yet as I'm still evaluating.
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Post by rexton on Feb 13, 2020 19:16:14 GMT
Thanks Oli but that’s not what I meant. I had a PP300 on my list as a next option along with the Royal. The question I had was concerning rexton saying he preferred the Royal N to Koetsu as he likes clinical and incisive. I wouldn’t necessarily want that as it sounds like different words for bright..... Of course if someone tells me my classic GM is bright too I may have to re-evaluate what’s bright and what isn’t lol. Oh i see! That makes sense now. The Phasemation makes the SPU royal sound dull, dreary, slow and firmly places the SPU royal several rungs down the ladder with respects to data retrieval. It's been a revelation and has really shown me the weak link in my playback chain. My Tannoy's have never sounded better and I can really appreciate Paul's work (from RFC) on my external cross-overs. In fact I spoke at length with Paul today about further XO upgrades, he talked himself out of several hundred quids worth of mods.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 13, 2020 19:20:31 GMT
Oh i see! That makes sense now. The Phasemation makes the SPU royal sound dull, dreary, slow and firmly places the SPU royal several rungs down the ladder with respects to data retrieval. It's been a revelation and has really shown me the weak link in my playback chain. My Tannoy's have never sounded better and I can really appreciate Paul's work (from RFC) on my external cross-overs. In fact I spoke at length with Paul today about further XO upgrades, he talked himself out of several hundred quids worth of mods. I have a lot of respect for Paul at RFC. I'd love to see him take up some space on here.
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Post by firebottle on Feb 13, 2020 19:45:55 GMT
First class gent and VERY professional.
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Post by karma67 on Feb 14, 2020 5:17:56 GMT
The Phasemation makes the SPU royal sound dull, dreary, slow and firmly places the SPU royal several rungs down the ladder with respects to data retrieval. It's been a revelation and has really shown me the weak link in my playback chain. My Tannoy's have never sounded better and I can really appreciate Paul's work (from RFC) on my external cross-overs. In fact I spoke at length with Paul today about further XO upgrades, he talked himself out of several hundred quids worth of mods. I have a lot of respect for Paul at RFC. I'd love to see him take up some space on here. yep me too, ive followed his advice on my ns1000's and its really improved them.
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Post by sq225917 on Feb 14, 2020 20:35:22 GMT
I think hes a bit forum shy, he had a few arseholes hound him when he set up originally, others makers and dealers who didnt like the competition. Not surprising really, hes top notch when it comes to speakers, I wouldn't want to he competing against him either.
First rate geezer.
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