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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 14:48:12 GMT
Managed to grab the chance and try the A10.
What a rubbish little thing! Very lean sounding and lacks body. Unmusical, just no involvement at all. Same result through easy to drive speakers. Disappointing! Please, lets not talk about tube rolling.
I'd rather have a Sony micro system. Which will no doubt sound more pleasing!!
But as always, YMMV.
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 3, 2019 14:54:09 GMT
Managed to grab the chance and try the A10. What a rubbish little thing! Very lean sounding and lacks body. Unmusical, just no involvement at all. Same result through easy to drive speakers. Disappointing! Please, lets not talk about tube rolling. I'd rather have a Sony micro system. Which will no doubt sound more pleasing!! But as always, YMMV. S. Valves can play a significant role I. The sound. What valves are in? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 14:58:27 GMT
Managed to grab the chance and try the A10. What a rubbish little thing! Very lean sounding and lacks body. Unmusical, just no involvement at all. Same result through easy to drive speakers. Disappointing! Please, lets not talk about tube rolling. I'd rather have a Sony micro system. Which will no doubt sound more pleasing!! But as always, YMMV. S. Valves can play a significant role I. The sound. What valves are in? They are related to the EL-84. Couldn't care what make they are. I've heard many other tube amps with cheap Chinese tubes sounding way far superior. S. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 3, 2019 15:38:32 GMT
Valves can play a significant role I. The sound. What valves are in? They are related to the EL-84. Couldn't care what make they are. I've heard many other tube amps with cheap Chinese tubes sounding way far superior. S. I've not hear the PSA10 so can't comment but there are reports of it being a bit thin and somewhat weedy. Shame that. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 20:14:31 GMT
Puresound suck
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 3, 2019 20:22:18 GMT
Tell us what you really think!!!! lol |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 20:25:38 GMT
Tell us what you really think!!!! lol Slightly tarted up Chi Fi sold on at about 3 times the price. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 3, 2019 20:38:39 GMT
Tell us what you really think!!!! lol Slightly tarted up Chi Fi sold on at about 3 times the price. Hahaha, savage. But very true. I've not really heard much positivity about the amps. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 20:52:18 GMT
I'd much rather have a Icon Audio amp.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 1:43:56 GMT
Audion amps are beautiful if you ever get a chance to hear one.
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Post by antonio on Dec 4, 2019 5:55:39 GMT
Audion amps are beautiful if you ever get a chance to hear one. and they look good too |
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Post by patrickblue on Apr 17, 2020 19:01:56 GMT
Just had to register to answer this. I know I'm talking to an ex poster, but I really can't imagine what you were listening to the a 10 through. To me it sounds the total opposite, very full bodied and extremely musical. It's only weak spot is it's lack of watts.
You may not have liked it, but to dismiss it in terms like "What a rubbish little thing" is a bit much. And the chifi comment is simply not true, it may be made there, but it's a UK designed item built with UK specified parts.
And lets face it, anything electronic is now either assembled in China, or totally uncompetitive
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 17, 2020 21:11:33 GMT
Just had to register to answer this. I know I'm talking to an ex poster, but I really can't imagine what you were listening to the a 10 through. To me it sounds the total opposite, vary full bodied and extremely musical. It's only weak spot is it's lack of watts. You may not have liked it, but to dismiss it in terms like "What a rubbish little thing" is a bit much. And the chifi comment is simply not true, it may be made there, but it's a UK designed item built with UK specified parts. And lets face it, anything electronic is now either assembled in China, or totally uncompetitive Hi Patrick, Welcome to the forum. Shane, who posted his thoughts is no longer active here, as he deleted his account. Which you've noted. Maybe it would be useful to know the context of how you gained your experience with the Phonostage. What system? What Cartridge? Do you own one....etc Anyway, introduce yourself in the appropriate thread and dive in! Oliver |
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Post by raygun on Apr 18, 2020 13:39:39 GMT
I've had 2 Puresound pres (one purchased from Jerry) & thought they were both excellent. I'd still have the L300 if I hadn't decided to go back to a 'one box' amp.
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Post by antonio on Apr 18, 2020 14:59:05 GMT
Just had to register to answer this. I know I'm talking to an ex poster, but I really can't imagine what you were listening to the a 10 through. To me it sounds the total opposite, vary full bodied and extremely musical. It's only weak spot is it's lack of watts. You may not have liked it, but to dismiss it in terms like "What a rubbish little thing" is a bit much. And the chifi comment is simply not true, it may be made there, but it's a UK designed item built with UK specified parts. And lets face it, anything electronic is now either assembled in China, or totally uncompetitive Hi Patrick, Welcome to the forum. Shane, who posted his thoughts is no longer active here, as he deleted his account. Which you've noted. Maybe it would be useful to know the context of how you gained your experience with the Phonostage. What system? What Cartridge? Do you own one....etc Anyway, introduce yourself in the appropriate thread and dive in! Oliver I believe this is a small amplifier Oli, not a phonostage. (your becoming obsessed with phonostages.  ) Now that you've joined Patrick why don't you give us details of your system, we're a friendly bunch.  |
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Post by patrickblue on Apr 18, 2020 17:07:53 GMT
Hi
Thanks for all your reply's. As antonio has just said, the A10 is a power amplifier, not a phono stage, albeit only boasting 10 watts per channel.
I'm currently using one with a Thorens 150 with an SME3009 arm and a Shure V15 mk111. I'm using an Art Dj pre amp and Mordaunt Short MS914 speakers. Certainly in my smallish listening room the volume is more than sufficient.
The amp is currently using Russian made Electro-Harmonix EL84 power valves and US made GE 6N3 pre amp valves
All sounds very nice to my ears.
As I intimated in my original post, I felt the thread was unfair to the the amp, basically dismissing it as a Chinese rip off, so I felt a bit of balance was in order.
As I also said in my experience the A10 is the polar opposite of what was posted by Shane, though in fairness he did qualify it with YMMV (which I'm afraid went over my head at the time, I've since googled it)
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 18, 2020 17:17:52 GMT
Hi Thanks for all your reply's. As antonio has just said, the A10 is a power amplifier, not a phono stage, albeit only boasting 10 watts per channel. I'm currently using one with a Thorens 150 with an SME3009 arm and a Shure V15 mk111. I'm using an Art Dj pre amp and Mordaunt Short MS914 speakers. Certainly in my smallish listening room the volume is more than sufficient. The amp is currently using Russian made Electro-Harmonix EL84 power valves and US made GE 6N3 pre amp valves All sounds very nice to my ears. As I intimated in my original post, I felt the thread was unfair to the the amp, basically dismissing it as a Chinese rip off, so I felt a bit of balance was in order. As I also said in my experience the A10 is the polar opposite of what was posted by Shane, though in fairness he did qualify it with YMMV (which I'm afraid went over my head at the time, I've since googled it) You are quite right....it is an amplifier However, I dont think it can be denied that they are bought in, rebadged and probably made safe in the UK standards? Of course, I am happy to be correct if i am incorrect As for the sound, no idea....never heard one. I'm actually a ChiFi fan so I'm certainly not a hater of the gear they make. |
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Post by patrickblue on Apr 18, 2020 18:47:53 GMT
It certainly can be denied. As I said earlier it's a UK design, designed by Guy Sargent, and built to Puresound's specifications. It's certainly not bought in and rebadged, and is designed to UK safety specifications. I've been inside it, it uses very high spec components. It's all very well saying on the one hand you're a fan of Chi-fi, then on the other using the term to trivialise something The Chinese certainly do make a copy of it, called the Bewitch ASC A84 which is only available in 240 volt versions, and is certainly missing the input selector, and I imagine uses lower spec components. All this makes me sound as if I have some vested interest in Puresound, this is not the case, I just felt I had to input into what I felt was a very unfair review.
And of course, I does have it's limitations, not least that it needs matching with reasonably high sensitivity speakers due to it's limited output, and it also only has two inputs
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 18, 2020 20:01:37 GMT
It certainly can be denied. As I said earlier it's a UK design, designed by Guy Sargent, and built to Puresound's specifications. It's certainly not bought in and rebadged, and is designed to UK safety specifications. I've been inside it, it uses very high spec components. It's all very well saying on the one hand you're a fan of Chi-fi, then on the other using the term to trivialise something The Chinese certainly do make a copy of it, called the Bewitch ASC A84 which is only available in 240 volt versions, and is certainly missing the input selector, and I imagine uses lower spec components. All this makes me sound as if I have some vested interest in Puresound, this is not the case, I just felt I had to input into what I felt was a very unfair review.
And of course, I does have it's limitations, not least that it needs matching with reasonably high sensitivity speakers due to it's limited output, and it also only has two inputs
I dont believe I have trivialised anything, Patrick. Ok, its Guy's design but it is made in China...yes? There are guys still making stuff, by hand in the UK. May I point to Glenn Croft for one example, so in my opinion it is not the same thing that Glenn is doing and thus falls into a different category all together. Where that category lies, I'll let others decide. I dont care where anything is made. If it's good, it's good. I say again, I am not trivialising the Puresound product or the name but it is not made in the UK, and that is a fact. The Puresound Tenuto Platter Mat, that I have been championing for the last 2 years, is made in China, or somewhere in that region. I know this, because Guy has said so. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 18, 2020 20:06:06 GMT
Ok, there is no way on God's green earth the bewitch amp is a copy......absolutely no way.
The chinese clone well known, big name amp.
That Bewitched amp is the original.
Unless Guy Sergeant turns up here and says he designed that amplifier, I'm not having.
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Post by patrickblue on Apr 18, 2020 20:27:05 GMT
I never said it's made in the UK. I actually said it's made in China to Guy Sergeant's design
And to be honest, I' seem to be wasting my time arguing about it, I suggest you just google it to find out who designed it.
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 18, 2020 20:29:37 GMT
I never said it's made in the UK. I actually said it's made in China to Guy Sergeant's design And to be honest, I'm wasting my time arguing about, I suggest you just google it to find out who designed it. I did, couldn't find anything out about the bewitched origin. |
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Post by patrickblue on Apr 18, 2020 20:31:35 GMT
But did you find out who designed it?
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 18, 2020 21:28:38 GMT
But did you find out who designed it? No, i didn't find anything, nor did i find anything on the puresound website. There are however nuggets like this: "The factory that makes the A30 also makes a 60 Watt Class B amplifier with different output transformers, a different mains transformer, reduced bias current, a different feedback circuit and several different types of component. All puresound products are specifically made to suit our particular requirements" Now, this says to me that puresound may specify changes, or particulars that they want in this already existing Chinese design, It certainly does not state: "The Amplifiers are made to our bespoke design" or "we have designed XYZ and have them manufactured in China due to the costs....blah, blah , blah" Once again, it is most likely that the Amplifier in question and those of previous incarnations are the design work of Bewitched and Guy has given them a list of tweaks or mods that he wants to incorporate. I am however totally and unequivocally unconvinced that these amplifiers have a circuit that has been designed by puresound. Also please note, i am not say Guy doesn't design ANYTHING. I simply do not know about that, but it has been a long established and accepted understanding that the Amplifiers are Chinese, built and designed by Bewitched, and they are rebranded and possibly tweaked for the UK market, via puresound
*****EDIT***** I have just asked a question about this to someone in the know. The response: "It's a BEWITCHED..based on el34's, designed by Guy Sergeant" I wont put the rest as it's basically not very complimentary of the sound lol Well there we have it. I acknowledge it more more forum wisdom that truth. Fair play for joining up and defending the amplifier, Patrick. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 18, 2020 21:44:26 GMT
And there is more!
"Bewitched stole Guy's design and then reproduced it using Sh#t parts. Thats why i wont have anything made in China"
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Post by patrickblue on Apr 18, 2020 21:51:18 GMT
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Post by patrickblue on Apr 18, 2020 22:01:44 GMT
It isn't a Bewitch, the Bewitch using the same design is the one I quoted, the ASC A84, which is as you've just said, a poor quality copy. And the A10 isn't based on EL34's, it's based on EL84's And as for comments about sound quality, it's horses for courses, it sounds brilliant to me and tbh to everyone else who's reviewed it apart from on this thread.
And the Bewitch copy may well sound crap, I've never heard it
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 18, 2020 22:12:13 GMT
It isn't a Bewitch, the Bewitch using the same design is the one I quoted, the ASC A84, which is as you've just said, a poor quality copy. And the A10 isn't based on EL34's, it's based on EL84's And as for comments about sound quality, it's horses for courses, it sounds brilliant to me and tbh to everyone else who's reviewed it apart from on this thread. And the Bewitch may well sound crap, I've never heard it
Well whatever is is based on, acknowledgement has been granted for the designer. Which is only right. Lets crack on ay. |
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