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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 7, 2018 18:38:23 GMT
Ok, so we have all probably experienced changing musical tastes. Likewise, fashion and interior design tastes will have changed.
What do you feel about tastes in hifi though? Have yours changed? Mine apparently see to have dome so without me realising.
I always loved "blood and thunder". If it didn't play fast, tight, loud and kick ass it bored me. Nowadays these things seem to fatigue me more quickly and I don't seem to feel the need for an adrenaline rush any more,
It was moving abroad that did it. Taking the Sonneteer pairing with my DIY cubes was a real stroke of luck. Reflective surfaces and high sloping celings seen to be poison to most other kit, but not this pairing, it's got subtleties that have grown on me, yet I was always one who thought subtlety was boring. Not so now. I'm even choosing lower volumes depending on my mood and the music. Beforehand I've always listened at kickass level.
Am I just getting old? Testosterone levels falling? Or am I discovering hidden facets that I was unaware of because I always chose t sledgehammer over the precision instrument?
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Post by antonio on Jun 8, 2018 10:05:44 GMT
That's a difficult one Westie. For me I think it's more of a learning curve to what sounds good/right. I am really enjoying my NVA system, more so than my previous Naim/Shahinian system I owned before, although I enjoyed that at the time. Would love to hear Shahinians with my brothers AudioNet amp.
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Post by dsjr on Jun 9, 2018 8:13:32 GMT
I've enjoyed the journey and learned so much on the way, but changed tastes in gear and so on? I'm actually regressing to before Linn and Naim coloured my opinions, but mindful of some of the good things they taught me (there was good as well as bad I feel). You can keep your Omni's though  |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 9, 2018 8:56:46 GMT
They do give a different presentation. The Duevels are more “omni” than I’ve ever used. Definitely more so than Cubes.They just don’t do the same “virtual reality “placement that the Spica’s do, but you can listen anywhere and they just wrap you in sound.
I hear what you are saying about pre-Linn/Naim stuff. I feel hifi had a more relaxed sound back then and I’m really gravitating that way myself. My eyes were opened by that Mayware arm. So “wrong” in hifi terms but so “right” musically. I will also never forget my mate’s Pye Mozart, which spoke to me in a way no other amp has.
To me, hifi items have “accents” which you gradually attune to. Some you find pleasing, others can irritate. Linn/Naim would be shouty cockney and I think I’m tiring of hearing it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 11:20:55 GMT
The accent analogy is spot on.
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Post by dsjr on Jun 9, 2018 13:28:52 GMT
Now that JBL's seem to have tamed the 70's excesses and come up with some fascinating tweeter ideas, I'm interested again. I may never own some 4312SE's (the others are too expensive), but you never know. the 4312B's on AOS tempted so much, but I need to get rid of a load of stuff first and even then, the 12" bass driver needs a more dumpy cabinet. One day though...
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 9, 2018 14:02:49 GMT
The accent analogy is spot on. S. Thanks Shane. We often seem to think about hifi I. Similar ways |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 9, 2018 14:07:07 GMT
Now that JBL's seem to have tamed the 70's excesses and come up with some fascinating tweeter ideas, I'm interested again. I may never own some 4312SE's (the others are too expensive), but you never know. the 4312B's on AOS tempted so much, but I need to get rid of a load of stuff first and even then, the 12" bass driver needs a more dumpy cabinet. One day though... I have only heard Control 1s many years ago, I bought a pair expect8ng too much I guess. They were just too small for me. I did hear some TLx3 but they were too fatiguing. I’d like to hear some of the better models one day but I’m certain enough in my love of omni and semi omni to know I won’t ever use a point and squirt box speaker again. If I ever did it would be a Snell. Noth8ng else has really worked well enough for me. |
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Post by dsjr on Jun 9, 2018 16:47:08 GMT
I first heard Control 1's decades ago in a half decent small AV system and all I remember was the tinsel for treble these had. The recent pair I have now are little like this and if anything, they could do with a touch more top, but not if it spits and fizzes! Bass-mid is no different to Kans and you like these! deep bass is tunefully hinted at but obviously no weight and for my test needs they're brilliant, especially as the midrange is so clear and unforced. Not sure I could live with them as main speakers though without a sub or two to bolster the lows a bit - and then it gets messy!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 17:38:35 GMT
The Schiit Asgard 2 headphone amp sound sparkly clean. But still doesn't portray any accent. There's almost a lack of character. Just lets your source do the drama.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 9, 2018 18:11:17 GMT
I agree although it’s a bit hard for the first ten mins. After that it’s spot on to me.
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Post by dsjr on Jun 10, 2018 9:36:01 GMT
Did you use the PYST interconnects made for the range?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 14:29:29 GMT
Nope!
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 10, 2018 17:53:22 GMT
I had heard that name but didn’t know it was a cable. I must read up on them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 23:26:40 GMT
Ok, so we have all probably experienced changing musical tastes. Likewise, fashion and interior design tastes will have changed. What do you feel about tastes in hifi though? Have yours changed? Mine apparently see to have dome so without me realising. I always loved "blood and thunder". If it didn't play fast, tight, loud and kick ass it bored me. Nowadays these things seem to fatigue me more quickly and I don't seem to feel the need for an adrenaline rush any more, It was moving abroad that did it. Taking the Sonneteer pairing with my DIY cubes was a real stroke of luck. Reflective surfaces and high sloping celings seen to be poison to most other kit, but not this pairing, it's got subtleties that have grown on me, yet I was always one who thought subtlety was boring. Not so now. I'm even choosing lower volumes depending on my mood and the music. Beforehand I've always listened at kickass level. Am I just getting old? Testosterone levels falling? Or am I discovering hidden facets that I was unaware of because I always chose t sledgehammer over the precision instrument?
I suppose I can echo a bit of what you said. I only liked punch and tautness for a long time - probably because I like rock. But my musical tastes have expanded and I have gone soft. More laid back works with rock too (for me at least) these days.
I am convinced your ears can be trained if you use them to analyse things. I can tell the difference now between DACs - 5 years ago that would not have been possible. Curiously I can never tell what like best with an A-B test - it takes a few days of listening.
Are you talking about NVA Cubes there?
I guess that with the advances in Class D amps we will eventually be able to set "Naim" mode or "Arcam" mode or whatever one day soon. Another thread maybe?
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 1, 2018 23:39:57 GMT
Yes, I’ve owned early Cube 1s and Cubettes. I made a pair using most of the same materials although I tried a few different things for fun and learning. To me, the way they present music and fill the room is more enjoyable. Is it more real? Well to me it is, because the height is there for one thing. Second, when you hear music, it’s not like it’s being fired at you from a gun. It just fills the space. Third, imagine enjoying music and not being able to move in case you lose the sweet spot.
You don’t have that feeling with semi omnis.
But that’s just me. All I’d really advocate is for more people to experience semi omnis, so they can hear for themselves and decide. My first semi omni experience was linn Isobariks. For all their faults, I loved them. Most of what I loved was due to the upward firing mid and tweeter, although I didn’t realise that until much later.
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Post by dsjr on Jul 2, 2018 8:17:29 GMT
Late reply to 'Naim' or 'Arcam' sound modes...
Naim are past it in terms of conventional two channel audio gear and I'm told that it's only the streamers that sell in quantity now - and they're as bland and boring as hell.. Waiting for Focal to ditch the brand - they've had it for three years or so, so about time to offload.... |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 2, 2018 8:29:31 GMT
Great to see a post about hifi. I feel like Father Ted sat on the plane to America, I have no desire to “umpire drove by shootings” either. I’m just here to talk about hifi. Thanks for posting on topic Dave.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 10:03:52 GMT
Yes, I’ve owned early Cube 1s and Cubettes. I made a pair using most of the same materials although I tried a few different things for fun and learning. To me, the way they present music and fill the room is more enjoyable. Is it more real? Well to me it is, because the height is there for one thing. Second, when you hear music, it’s not like it’s being fired at you from a gun. It just fills the space. Third, imagine enjoying music and not being able to move in case you lose the sweet spot. You don’t have that feeling with semi omnis. But that’s just me. All I’d really advocate is for more people to experience semi omnis, so they can hear for themselves and decide. My first semi omni experience was linn Isobariks. For all their faults, I loved them. Most of what I loved was due to the upward firing mid and tweeter, although I didn’t realise that until much later. Hmm. I might look into that. A bit off-subject, but could I run them next to my existing speakers? Are there rules, like needing to be the same resistance (8 ohm, 6 ohm etc). I'd have to run everything from one pair of amplifier terminals.
I could start a new thread about that if you like.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 2, 2018 10:10:01 GMT
The maker “Dr Evil” here is probably the best person to ask. You could always knock up a basic switching box for little outlay though. I’d say hear a pair first though. They do come with a free return period on EBay.
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