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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 17:15:58 GMT
What is the best Record Player PSU that has made the biggest improvement to any of your decks.
Mine was the Mose Hercules that I added to a very early LP12. It replaced the pre Valhalla small PSU that had the big red button the improvement was very big and instant everything was just clearer. It was like the time I went from an original AT 95 to a Dynavector 10x5.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 17:18:37 GMT
I have put a deposit on an MCRU LDA for my SL 1200 and am hoping for a good improvement.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 9, 2019 17:22:13 GMT
Although I liked the Hercules, Imsomehow felt the Linn lost a bit of character. Overal it was better but I did miss the Valhalla in a way. Lingo mk1 was more sterile and less enjoyable. I think they are the only ones I’ve tried switching.
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Post by sq225917 on Nov 9, 2019 17:53:14 GMT
A diy thing on my kuzma, 2x 30 watt chip amps driven by a usb controlled 16bit sinewave generator with a decent xo doing the timing of of the sinewave generator. Fully adjustable for voltage on each rail, phase in 0.1 degree steps, speed in 0.01hz intervals, had adjustable start and stop ramping and logged your run time.
That's the best non tacho unit I've had. Now run the optical feedback mober psu, which is quieter but no more accurate.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 17:57:45 GMT
A diy thing on my kuzma, 2x 30 watt chip amps driven by a usb controlled 16bit sinewave generator with a decent xo doing the timing of of the sinewave generator. Fully adjustable for voltage on each rail, phase in 0.1 degree steps, speed in 0.01hz intervals, had adjustable start and stop ramping and logged your run time. That's the best non tacho unit I've had. Now run the optical feedback mober psu, which is quieter but no more accurate. F#ck me!
I only understand the words 'adjustable', 'feedback' and 'accurate'.
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Post by sq225917 on Nov 9, 2019 20:34:19 GMT
In plain speak.
A tt psu based on a dual mono power amp with adjustable everything.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 23:27:56 GMT
[quote author="@l never compared the Valhalla to the Mose Hercules not to be confused with the Hercules the Mose is much better than just the Hercules but did compare Valhalla to Lingo 1 and the 45rpm thing just edged it in favour of the Lingo. Of the 33 only PSU’s it was close between the Avondale and the Armageddon but they where both better than the Valhalla
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 23:51:19 GMT
In what way ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 6:19:12 GMT
In every way but especially with acoustic music like Jazz and vocal music both the Armageddon and the Avondale deliver power to the deck in such a way that it can get up to running speed much quicker and maintain that speed in a much more accurate way. It was this that made me want to try Direct Drive Record player.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 8:40:05 GMT
My reason for asking this question is that in my experience these PSU’s have made such a difference in SQ equal to any cartridge change I made and better than any other upgrade. Perhaps the engineers amongst you can explain why this is? In simple terms please I’m a bit thick.
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Post by macca on Nov 10, 2019 9:01:54 GMT
if they make the speed of rotation more accurate and more consistent then you're going to get more accurate pitch. That might be noticeable or it might not depending on how bad it was before fitting the upgraded power supply. But then if the record is warped or pressed even slightly off centre that's going to make pitch less accurate, nothing the power supply can do about that. There are some things I miss about vinyl but wobbly piano notes is not one of them!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 9:33:01 GMT
if they make the speed of rotation more accurate and more consistent then you're going to get more accurate pitch. That might be noticeable or it might not depending on how bad it was before fitting the upgraded power supply. But then if the record is warped or pressed even slightly off centre that's going to make pitch less accurate, nothing the power supply can do about that. There are some things I miss about vinyl but wobbly piano notes is not one of them!They say piano is a good test for pitch anomalies, but I can't say I've ever heard any significant errors with any proper Hi-Fi TT apart from fast running Regas. When Pavarotti sounds like Dolly Parton, you know there's something going on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 9:37:57 GMT
if they make the speed of rotation more accurate and more consistent then you're going to get more accurate pitch. That might be noticeable or it might not depending on how bad it was before fitting the upgraded power supply. But then if the record is warped or pressed even slightly off centre that's going to make pitch less accurate, nothing the power supply can do about that. There are some things I miss about vinyl but wobbly piano notes is not one of them!They say piano is a good test for pitch anomalies, but I can't say I've ever heard any significant errors with any proper Hi-Fi TT apart from fast running Regas. When Pavarotti sounds like Dolly Parton, you know there's something going on.
If you've actually got any kit that makes Pavatotti sound like Dolly Parton, I'd be really interested in buying it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 9:38:19 GMT
Goes back to what I said about Regas needing help to sound exciting. How bad wad my Valhalla then coz I never noticed a problem. Maybe I'm not possessed of pitch perfecticity in the hearing dept ?
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Post by macca on Nov 10, 2019 10:03:32 GMT
if they make the speed of rotation more accurate and more consistent then you're going to get more accurate pitch. That might be noticeable or it might not depending on how bad it was before fitting the upgraded power supply. But then if the record is warped or pressed even slightly off centre that's going to make pitch less accurate, nothing the power supply can do about that. There are some things I miss about vinyl but wobbly piano notes is not one of them!They say piano is a good test for pitch anomalies, but I can't say I've ever heard any significant errors with any proper Hi-Fi TT apart from fast running Regas. When Pavarotti sounds like Dolly Parton, you know there's something going on. I was talking about records with the hole off-centre or that are warped, not a problem caused by the TT itself. Although the wow could come from the RTR machine in the studio, the CD of Boston's 'Third Stage' has audible wow on the piano notes. Not much you can do about that except accept it as part of the recording.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 14:28:31 GMT
PSU's me Techie laughs in the face o them.
Just plug the fuker clean into the mains.....job done.
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Post by sq225917 on Nov 20, 2019 15:07:41 GMT
And yet the upgrade market for technics decks is littered with loads of psus.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 20, 2019 15:11:03 GMT
And yet the upgrade market for technics decks is littered with loads of psus. Yup, it is and I use a custom one but that was because the standard psu didn't come with it. I am told by the technics guru that a standard one is all you'd ever need if you give it a service. New caps etc.
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Post by sq225917 on Nov 20, 2019 15:18:11 GMT
Theres nothing that cant be improved.
The 1210 psu can easily be improved with the usual suspect type mods. Most old sp10s will need some love to get back to spec, but even they respond to better regulation on the rails and frankly theres bigger fish to fry mechanically.
Cant imagine there's much more than fucking it up to be done with new sp10 though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 15:18:40 GMT
And yet the upgrade market for technics decks is littered with loads of psus. Snakeoil for the gullable Sq.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 20, 2019 16:14:54 GMT
Theres nothing that cant be improved. The 1210 psu can easily be improved with the usual suspect type mods. Most old sp10s will need some love to get back to spec, but even they respond to better regulation on the rails and frankly theres bigger fish to fry mechanically. Cant imagine there's much more than F~cking it up to be done with new sp10 though. Yes, the Guru stated that as long as everything is to specific measurements, there isn't much the SP10 needs from a PSU. MINE, was his and its never failed me.
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Post by mayebaza on Nov 30, 2019 22:00:01 GMT
My DIY TT, formally a 1996 Rega Planar 3, uses a Longdog Audio Quartz Turntable PSU MKII. It has a medical grade accuracy. Measuring RPM is at -0.02%. Speed varies 33.26 - 33.39 or -0.021% to +0.018%. I have to say it sounds stunning in my TT, easily the best upgrade of many by far.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 22:55:15 GMT
I fitted the LDA PSU to my Techie last night and the improvement was instant, it was exactly the same when I replaced the original PSU from a very early LP12 with an Avondale one and when I replaced a lingo 1 with a Mose Hercules. It was a bigger improvement than when I went Linn Basik >> Ittock, Ittok >> Ekos 1 and Ekos 1 >> Fidelity Research FR12, bigger than when I went K9 >> AT OC9, Dynavector 10x5 >> 20x2L and from Benz Micro Ace >> Benz Micro Glider SL.
My partner has almost perfect pitch recognition when I was resetting the speed control switches on an old Lenco I was rebuilding she got very, very, very close by just listening and she said that she listens to the vocals or as macca said piano.
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Post by sq225917 on Dec 1, 2019 13:59:08 GMT
I really rate nicks tt psu, it made a big ps audio regenerator into a garrard sound broken.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 23:40:23 GMT
I really rate nicks tt psu, it made a big ps audio regenerator into a garrard sound broken. Agreed it has taken my SL1200 up a good few notches. I could of course be imagining the whole thing and be the victim of some elaborate con by some nefarious, evil genius using mind control to sell a few PSU's to us poor audio fools.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 13:12:48 GMT
Years ago my LP12 started playing up - needed a nudge to get it rotating. I found that the Valhalla board was overheating/badly scorched.
I didn't like the idea of something getting so hot in a wooden plinth, so looked in to getting an external PSU. Heed Orbit has done the job for me at a reasonable price (and bonus of 33 and 45 compared to original Valhalla).
I think that the speed has been more stable than the original since fitting the Heed, although given that the Valhalla was on the way out that may be unfair.
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Post by sq225917 on Dec 27, 2019 20:34:47 GMT
The caps in the Valhalla get pushed hard, once they start going the resistors get hot and once they fry they invariably take out a few components. 3 new hv caps and 5 watt resistors on long legs as a preventative measure fix things nicely
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Post by rexton on Dec 31, 2019 16:21:37 GMT
I really rate nicks tt psu, it made a big ps audio regenerator into a garrard sound broken. Mine by any chance?? I'm looking at getting the latest LDA PSU for the new (old) 401 that I've just restored.
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