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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 20:14:10 GMT
Im looking for some good qwalitee Speaker wire but needs to be thin like DMN 'Reson' thin, but without the price tag & no flat shotgun design.. I cant think of any!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 20:39:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 20:40:56 GMT
lol no flat
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 9:51:25 GMT
Lamp cord!
Was good enough for speaker wires in the 60's and 70's, why should it be different now, the stuff made then will sound average no matter what wire you use.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 12:19:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 12:22:25 GMT
Thin speaker cable is crap speaker cable. All that matters in a speaker cable is how thick it is... the thicker the better as it has less resistance. Obviously it should be kept as short as possible as well
"Bell wire" ie the stuff everyone got rid of to move to QED 79 strand, will be as good as the DNM shite, which is not suitable for purpose.
I had a quick look at their web site and quelle surprise, everything they say is a pack of lies and uber bollox!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 17:41:50 GMT
You'd have to be absolutely bonkers to go for thin speaker wire of ANY brand.
Minimum conductor size of 2.5mm for short runs, 4mm for everything else.
6mm is unnecessary IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 18:00:26 GMT
You'd have to be absolutely bonkers to go for thin speaker wire of ANY brand. Minimum conductor size of 2.5mm for short runs, 4mm for everything else. 6mm is unnecessary IMO. If you had to use 8m plus runs I'd prefer to see 6mm used.... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 18:00:59 GMT
Im talking 1 mtr if that each side. Keep telling you i do not give a crap about Hi-Fi..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 18:01:17 GMT
You'd have to be absolutely bonkers to go for thin speaker wire of ANY brand. Minimum conductor size of 2.5mm for short runs, 4mm for everything else. 6mm is unnecessary IMO. If you had to use 8m plus runs I'd prefer to see 6mm used.... It would have to be a special occasion to use 6mm lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 18:03:17 GMT
Im talking 1 mtr if that each side. Keep telling you i do not give a crap about Hi-Fi.. We don't give a crap about you not giving a crap about hifi. Why not string a few pubes together and try those? You could be a pioneer of HairFi. Honestly, there's no point asking a question if you don't expect a discussion to develop over it. It's the nature of the beast. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 18:06:57 GMT
What i do not need is Hi-Fi bull Sh#t views of what sound crap in someone else view. I asked a simple question..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 18:26:48 GMT
Ok found some KLOTZ 'LY215' 2x 1.5mm, That will do. Klotz the leaders in Professional Studio cables must be crap eh..  Just to rub it in you remember those midi stacker systems in the 80's where you had a speaker each side of the midi system well its pretty much like that but the speakers are directly on the top shelf. 8" apart from each other 6 Ft high not even facing me.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 18:29:32 GMT
What i do not need is Hi-Fi bull Sh#t views of what sound crap in someone else view. I asked a simple question.. No bull Sh#t there is there? It's not helpful to you, but someone may read the offerings of advice and find it useful, not all about you ya know! Lol |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 18:29:55 GMT
Ok found some KLOTZ 'LY215' 2x 1.5mm, That will do. Klotz the leaders in Professional Studio cables must be crap eh.. Just to rub it in you remember those midi stacker systems in the 80's where you had a speaker each side of the midi system well its pretty much like that but the speakers are directly on the top shelf. 8" apart from each other 6 Ft high not even facing me. I wouldn't tie my dog up with Klotz cable. Lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 18:32:00 GMT
 I jest Ofc. Lol That's a balanced cable I'm just about to advertise for sale. Not a bad little cable. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 24, 2019 18:32:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 18:32:27 GMT
If you had to use 8m plus runs I'd prefer to see 6mm used.... It would have to be a special occasion to use 6mm lol. Sooooo..... for applications where resistance makes diddly squat difference, ie sockets and plugs for line level signals, you obsess about ultra low resistance.... but when we're talking of several Amps and resistance does matter then it's "It'll do" LOL  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 18:35:24 GMT
What i do not need is Hi-Fi bull Sh#t views of what sound crap in someone else view. I asked a simple question.. No bull Sh#t there is there? It's not helpful to you, but someone may read the offerings of advice and find it useful, not all about you ya know! Lol It is when its just a question i asked about speaker wire that 'I' need |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 18:35:50 GMT
It would have to be a special occasion to use 6mm lol. Sooooo..... for applications where resistance makes diddly squat difference, ie sockets and plugs for line level signals, you obsess about ultra low resistance.... but when we're talking of several Amps and resistance does matter then it's "It'll do" LOL Hahaha, Jezza, I use 4mm UPOCC copper cable for my speaker cables. They're 3m runs and they certainly weren't designed with "that'll do" in mind. I was just saying that I 100% believe that a better conductor makes a difference, especially at places of importance like the joints in the signal path. Now, it may just be that the expensive stuff has a better surface contact and that's what the difference is But I believe what I believe for good reason, I've heard it. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 18:39:24 GMT
Thanks Westie but no DIY. has to look good & commercial. & ofc no Silver plated BS.. I got some now anyway should be here soon for my shitty 1960's Wharfdale speakers that Horror of Hi-Fi Dudes horrors were designed to mount on the Wall, but i wont be doing that. lol |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 18:41:15 GMT
I jest Ofc. Lol That's a balanced cable I'm just about to advertise for sale. Not a bad little cable. Well its like this. Those pristine studio recordings would have more than likley have ran thru Klotz cables when recorded at one point. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 18:53:10 GMT
I jest Ofc. Lol That's a balanced cable I'm just about to advertise for sale. Not a bad little cable. Well its like this. Those pristine studio recordings would have more than likley have ran thru Klotz cables when recorded at one point. Well, actually it's like this: Live music captured by microphone will suffer degradation due to multiple factors. One being the cables used and regardless of all the "Bullshit" people spout, it's not used in studios because its good, its used because its CHEAP. Imagine using £30pm Graphene cables to kit out a studio which often required cables in miles. yes, miles. It's just not cost effective. Now, after that live music has been captured at the studio and pressed, encoded or put on a CD, we get it and we use our system to listen to it. It's already far from the original sound from the live performances. The job of my system is to present that recording as best it can, without causing further degradation. Whether you think the cable you use makes a difference or not, is up to you but, don't give me "it's good enough for the studio, so it must be fine" bullshit. Industry standard just means, it's a standard that is met by the equipment. It doesn't mean its awesome. Just that it's met a standard. It's a cost effective solution for a BUSINESS. You use what you like, Its your system. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 18:55:50 GMT
Well its like this. Those pristine studio recordings would have more than likley have ran thru Klotz cables when recorded at one point. Well, actually it's like this: Live music captured by microphone will suffer degradation due to multiple factors. One being the cables used and regardless of all the "Bullshit" people spout, it's not used in studios because its good, its used because its CHEAP. Imagine using £30pm Graphene cables to kit out a studio which often required cables in miles. yes, miles. It's just not cost effective. Now, after that live music has been captured at the studio and pressed, encoded or put on a CD, we get it and we use our system to listen to it. It's already far from the original sound from the live performances. The job of my system is to present that recording as best it can, without causing further degradation. Whether you think the cable you use makes a difference or not, is up to you but, don't give me "it's good enough for the studio, so it must be fine" bullshit. Industry standard just means, it's a standard that is met by the equipment. It doesn't mean its awesome. Just that it's met a standard. It's a cost effective solution for a BUSINESS. You use what you like, Its your system. Regarding the costing. How is it then that Dave Gilmours studio is fully fitted with Kimber PSB-J interconnects |
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 24, 2019 18:57:19 GMT
What about those cables that use individually insulated strands like NVA and all the Colin Wonfor cables? Is there a technical reason behind it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 18:57:41 GMT
Well, actually it's like this: Live music captured by microphone will suffer degradation due to multiple factors. One being the cables used and regardless of all the "Bullshit" people spout, it's not used in studios because its good, its used because its CHEAP. Imagine using £30pm Graphene cables to kit out a studio which often required cables in miles. yes, miles. It's just not cost effective. Now, after that live music has been captured at the studio and pressed, encoded or put on a CD, we get it and we use our system to listen to it. It's already far from the original sound from the live performances. The job of my system is to present that recording as best it can, without causing further degradation. Whether you think the cable you use makes a difference or not, is up to you but, don't give me "it's good enough for the studio, so it must be fine" bullshit. Industry standard just means, it's a standard that is met by the equipment. It doesn't mean its awesome. Just that it's met a standard. It's a cost effective solution for a BUSINESS. You use what you like, Its your system. Regarding the costing. How is it then that Dave Gilmours studio is fully fitted with Kimber PSB-J interconnects I thought they didn't concern themselves with metals or anything other than reliability?? Just contradicted your own new thread lol. you're being pedantic. Seems Gilmore respects the conductivity and metals of his own studio. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 18:58:15 GMT
What about those cables that use individually insulated strands like NVA and all the Colin Wonfor cables? Is there a technical reason behind it? Better shielding for unbalanced cables. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 19:07:24 GMT
Regarding the costing. How is it then that Dave Gilmours studio is fully fitted with Kimber PSB-J interconnects I thought they didn't concern themselves with metals or anything other than reliability?? Just contradicted your own new thread lol. you're being pedantic. Seems Gilmore respects the conductivity and metals of his own studio. That was just an example of not always about costing. tbh i laughed out aloud when i read the article about it. cos i know what i think about it.. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 19:07:40 GMT
What I find more interesting than this conversation is the fact that EVERY musician I have ever worked with, spoken to and read about, quite often had little tips and tricks to change the sound of their instrument.
Whether it be to cover the pickups on the guitar with spit or to using a different type of cable between guitar parts.
Now, being a musician myself, although not in the same league as Dave Gilmore, what I find the most important is that he, and those I've spoken to and worked with have ALL heard the difference with tweaks. Yet those who make the equipment seem to be impervious to anything that cannot be measured
So, who am I going to listen to a lbout sound?
The guys making the music, trained to tune instruments by ear, trained to hear every little flat or sharp on a note that they practice for YEARS to perfect. Those who have listened to their instruments for 30 years, know how things SHOULD sound
Or some bloke who learned how to amplify a signal at college.
I know where I put my trust.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 19:10:46 GMT
Like wise who am i going to listen to an Engineer who uses Tone Shaping, Eq's etc or some Audio enthusiast who says they are a no no & what ever else they say stinks..
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