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Post by lurch on Mar 27, 2024 16:22:46 GMT
As most of you know, as part of my de-investment I swapped the Lector for a 6000CDT. This has been a flawless performer and is brilliant at its price point with the appropriate level kit. However since moving on from the SF Toy Towers/Zweiklangs & ST40 to the MastersounD and Zweiklangs and more so the Dreiklangs, I feel I've reached that point where I'm exposing the 6000CDTs weak points.
The TT and Innuos have lifted there performance in line with the amp and speakers. The 6000 however has hit a brick wall, seeming congested and thin in comparison, it's lacking in space, air, texture, tonal richness/complexity and authority.
So, what other transports are there out there apart from the 9000CDT.
MUST HAVES <£1500, AVAILABLE IN BLACK, and would show the 6000CDT a clean pair of heels??
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 27, 2024 16:44:48 GMT
As most of you know, as part of my de-investment I swapped the Lector for a 6000CDT. This has been a flawless performer and is brilliant at its price point with the appropriate level kit. However since moving on from the SF Toy Towers/Zweiklangs & ST40 to the MastersounD and Zweiklangs and more so the Dreiklangs, I feel I've reached that point where I'm exposing the 6000CDTs weak points. The TT and Innuos have lifted there performance in line with the amp and speakers. The 6000 however has hit a brick wall, seeming congested and thin in comparison, it's lacking in space, air, texture, tonal richness/complexity and authority. So, what other transports are there out there apart from the 9000CDT. MUST HAVES <£1500, AVAILABLE IN BLACK, and would show the 6000CDT a clean pair of heels?? In your position, I'd invest in a TEAC 701 Transport. It's exceptionally good. I still want one. |
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Post by lurch on Mar 27, 2024 17:27:51 GMT
As most of you know, as part of my de-investment I swapped the Lector for a 6000CDT. This has been a flawless performer and is brilliant at its price point with the appropriate level kit. However since moving on from the SF Toy Towers/Zweiklangs & ST40 to the MastersounD and Zweiklangs and more so the Dreiklangs, I feel I've reached that point where I'm exposing the 6000CDTs weak points. The TT and Innuos have lifted there performance in line with the amp and speakers. The 6000 however has hit a brick wall, seeming congested and thin in comparison, it's lacking in space, air, texture, tonal richness/complexity and authority. So, what other transports are there out there apart from the 9000CDT. MUST HAVES <£1500, AVAILABLE IN BLACK, and would show the 6000CDT a clean pair of heels?? In your position, I'd invest in a TEAC 701 Transport. It's exceptionally good. I still want one. Trust you to blow the budget by a 1/3rd at the first attempt, bloody typical.🤣🤣 |
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Post by mikeyb on Mar 27, 2024 17:49:35 GMT
In your position, I'd invest in a TEAC 701 Transport. It's exceptionally good. I still want one. Trust you to blow the budget by a 1/3rd at the first attempt, bloody typical.🤣🤣 Yup, he's a bad influencer 😂 |
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 27, 2024 18:16:44 GMT
In your position, I'd invest in a TEAC 701 Transport. It's exceptionally good. I still want one. Trust you to blow the budget by a 1/3rd at the first attempt, bloody typical.🤣🤣 I'm not here to make budget friendly recommendations 😂 IMHO there's no point F-ing about. Buy right, buy once. |
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Post by lurch on Mar 27, 2024 18:40:39 GMT
Trust you to blow the budget by a 1/3rd at the first attempt, bloody typical.🤣🤣 I'm not here to make budget friendly recommendations 😂 IMHO there's no point F-ing about. Buy right, buy once. That's as maybe Oli, but rereading Martins views when moving from a 6000, it doesn't appear to be that big a step up, definitely not vfm. If I'm going to bust the budget then I might aswell grab the Lector CDP707 at £1.8k (no bidders) that's on Fleabay. It's the latest model and I know it will blow the 6000 into the weeds, and most other CDTs plus CDPs <£10k. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 27, 2024 19:10:14 GMT
I'm not here to make budget friendly recommendations 😂 IMHO there's no point F-ing about. Buy right, buy once. That's as maybe Oli, but rereading Martins views when moving from a 6000, it doesn't appear to be that big a step up, definitely not vfm. If I'm going to bust the budget then I might aswell grab the Lector CDP707 at £1.8k (no bidders) that's on Fleabay. It's the latest model and I know it will blow the 6000 into the weeds, and most other CDTs plus CDPs <£10k. With all respect to Martin, it is not in his nature to furnish anything with hyperbole. I have heard both, and the 6000 wouldn't get near the TEAC. ANYHOO, that's what I'd spend my money on. |
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Post by macca on Mar 27, 2024 19:40:12 GMT
I couldn't find anything at that sort of price that looked any good except the TEAC. Some of the more acceptable offerings that came in black were a lot more money - like the Jays.
It's a CD transport you're just not going to get a 'Big jump up' in SQ whatever you get, but I do prefer the TEAC to the Audiolab (still have both). I've tried it in multiple systems (as well as Oli's I took it along to the last NEBO meet).
Spend the extra and get the TEAC. If that sounds thin and congested in your set up, then the problem's elsewhere. Maybe something up with impedance matching or gain staging.
Buy it mail order and you can always send it back.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 27, 2024 20:02:59 GMT
I couldn't find anything at that sort of price that looked any good except the TEAC. Some of the more acceptable offerings that came in black were a lot more money - like the Jays. It's a CD transport you're just not going to get a 'Big jump up' in SQ whatever you get, but I do prefer the TEAC to the Audiolab (still have both). I've tried it in multiple systems (as well as Oli's I took it along to the last NEBO meet). Spend the extra and get the TEAC. If that sounds thin and congested in your set up, then the problem's elsewhere. Maybe something up with impedance matching or gain staging. Buy it mail order and you can always send it back. The reviews on the Jays CD2 were not as positive as I would have liked. One fella claimed it sounded a little lifeless, another claimed it to be a little muddy. I don't place much value in reviews, but it makes you wonder when they aren't positive in the extreme The TEAC was ahead of my pimped X50D at the time. It had more bite, and sounded a little more vibrant. I later managed to achieve that sound characteristic with a change of cable, which is why I stuck with the X50D. Just to give external weight to my opinion of the X50D, Tony (coherent) used one for his demos for years. Can't have been that bad. The TEAC having that sort of performance from CD is exceptional. In fact, I'm curious as to how it would sound here now with the new speakers..... |
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Post by macca on Mar 27, 2024 22:14:44 GMT
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Post by brucew268 on Mar 27, 2024 23:31:53 GMT
Alpha Audio really liked the sound of the Atoll DR200 Signature compared to others at that price point and it's in black for £1500.
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Post by antonio on Mar 28, 2024 6:38:59 GMT
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Post by bencat on Mar 28, 2024 9:38:28 GMT
I suspect that Tony could do some good work on the Teac Transports which would get them working at a much higher level .
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Post by brucew268 on Mar 28, 2024 10:07:03 GMT
I suspect that Tony could do some good work on the Teac Transports which would get them working at a much higher level . I was trying to read up on these a few months ago. It seems that one would want the VRDS 10 or 25 as much better than the T-1. However, they could use the hands of an expert to reach their potential. I didn't spring for a 10 because the upgrade requirements were out of my budget and too complicated for DIY. |
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Post by macca on Mar 28, 2024 10:10:42 GMT
Before I got the new TEAC I did consider buying one of the old ones - I could have got four of them for the price of the new one, plus I prefer the look of the old ones.
But long experience put me off. They all go bad eventually and just fault-finding - if you can find someone willing to do it - is expensive and time consuming. It's not always just a matter of replacing the laser or the mech.
Those used ones are all 20 plus years old and so will be on borrowed time from the start. A false economy IMV.
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Post by antonio on Mar 29, 2024 8:56:49 GMT
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Post by lurch on Mar 29, 2024 9:30:48 GMT
L8nks not working for me. Takes me to A E, but each link just gives me reams of cheap tat for council estate chaos n charities. Don't need nipple bars, hair tongs, navel rings, sponge toe spreaders............🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by antonio on Mar 29, 2024 9:54:15 GMT
L8nks not working for me. Takes me to A E, but each link just gives me reams of cheap tat for council estate chaos n charities. Don't need nipple bars, hair tongs, navel rings, sponge toe spreaders............🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Links are not working for me now. strange. Will see if I can re-do them. One more thing, are you sure you don't need any of the items you mention above.  |
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Post by bencat on Mar 29, 2024 9:55:46 GMT
Does the same as John for me but not he same trashy items I notice . Maybe John is just special .
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Post by antonio on Mar 29, 2024 10:33:25 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 29, 2024 11:35:42 GMT
Regarding the Denafrips Avatar:
I emailed Denafrips regarding these players when i was seriously looking at CDT's, and was told that they would neither confirm or deny that they are genuine. I was told that there was an obsolete stock of them, but they refused to sell one to me direct. My suspicion is that they are genuine and are being sold via a third part to remove any liability from Denafrips. I think this has the hallmarks of a great transport, but i stuck with the X50D
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Post by antonio on Mar 29, 2024 11:41:00 GMT
Sorry the AE links are not working for me on this site, I can send them via email and they work!
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Post by antonio on Mar 29, 2024 11:46:10 GMT
Regarding the Denafrips Avatar: I emailed Denafrips regarding these players when i was seriously looking at CDT's, and was told that they would neither confirm or deny that they are genuine. I was told that there was an obsolete stock of them, but they refused to sell one to me direct. My suspicion is that they are genuine and are being sold via a third part to remove any liability from Denafrips. I think this has the hallmarks of a great transport, but i stuck with the X50D I think that Denafrips would be a great transport, as would the Lite LT linked to on ebay. If you go onto AE, type in Denafrips Avatar that can lead you to many interesting cdt and players. My links were all for cdt's. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 29, 2024 11:48:46 GMT
Regarding the Denafrips Avatar: I emailed Denafrips regarding these players when i was seriously looking at CDT's, and was told that they would neither confirm or deny that they are genuine. I was told that there was an obsolete stock of them, but they refused to sell one to me direct. My suspicion is that they are genuine and are being sold via a third part to remove any liability from Denafrips. I think this has the hallmarks of a great transport, but i stuck with the X50D I think that Denafrips would be a great transport, as would the Lite LT linked to on ebay. If you go onto AE, type in Denafrips Avatar that can lead you to many interesting cdt and players. My links were all for cdt's. What about that Lite player has impressed you Dave. I haven't looked, just asking. |
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Post by brucew268 on Mar 29, 2024 13:00:24 GMT
Regarding the Denafrips Avatar: I emailed Denafrips regarding these players when i was seriously looking at CDT's, and was told that they would neither confirm or deny that they are genuine. I was told that there was an obsolete stock of them, but they refused to sell one to me direct. My suspicion is that they are genuine and are being sold via a third part to remove any liability from Denafrips. I think this has the hallmarks of a great transport, but i stuck with the X50D But it does not inspire confidence that the AE resellers have an approval rating under 70%, and Denafrips stopped producing them so quickly. Not to mention that the only review I could find was 6Moons. |
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Post by antonio on Mar 29, 2024 14:27:24 GMT
I think that Denafrips would be a great transport, as would the Lite LT linked to on ebay. If you go onto AE, type in Denafrips Avatar that can lead you to many interesting cdt and players. My links were all for cdt's. What about that Lite player has impressed you Dave. I haven't looked, just asking. Never heard it, but have a look at the link for another hifi forum above somewhere both the Denafrips and Lite get a good mention. Lite Audio a few years ago were making a wonderful dac, very highly thought of, and as you know, when buying Chinese products especially from AE it is about gut feeling as well as reviews. I think we have both been more than fairly successful with our purchases. |
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Post by antonio on Mar 29, 2024 14:33:33 GMT
lurch Sorry about my links not working, I don't know what has happened. Go onto AE, type in Denafrips Avatar and you will hopefully find it at just over $1100. It is also priced at $1500 but I have seen these price discrepancies before. I have since seen a couple of cdt's don't ship to the uk (very unusual since they will ship to Cambodia, usually the other way round) but this should not have stopped the links working.
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Post by hifinutt on Mar 31, 2024 9:23:06 GMT
Yes i like primare , smooth tray , solid build aith lovely remotes . |
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Post by lurch on Mar 31, 2024 15:30:51 GMT
All sorted now, cheers
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