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Post by peterthebutcher on Dec 20, 2023 11:59:17 GMT
I was listening to some Mike Oldfield, when the better half was out shopping at M&S in Grantham early doors, and noticed on some low bass notes seemed to be "not quite right"... I have been tol to look at the room acoustics etc, but what I did was turn the gain and the volume on the twin Rel S 8/12's down a couple of clicks, and low and behold it was very different, in a good way... Result, and was a free tweak  |
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Post by optical on Dec 20, 2023 12:28:00 GMT
Cancellation/boundary effect from the speakers/subs, potentially both I would say.
There's guys on here with far more knowledge and experience than I, but on a few occasions (when I ran dedicated subs) reducing the gain (and indeed the frequency roll off) resulted in a lot more audible (from the listening position) bass.
A lot of factors at work but if you really crank things up on both the gain and the FR dial you can end up cancelling almost all the low end and things can sound really weird.
Without any measurment devices all you can do is experiment by ear and it is possible to make improvements no question.
Glad it's sounding better to you.
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Post by peterthebutcher on Dec 20, 2023 15:15:37 GMT
Cancellation/boundary effect from the speakers/subs, potentially both I would say. There's guys on here with far more knowledge and experience than I, but on a few occasions (when I ran dedicated subs) reducing the gain (and indeed the frequency roll off) resulted in a lot more audible (from the listening position) bass. A lot of factors at work but if you really crank things up on both the gain and the FR dial you can end up cancelling almost all the low end and things can sound really weird. Without any measurment devices all you can do is experiment by ear and it is possible to make improvements no question. Glad it's sounding better to you. There are a lot of Rel videos on how to get things right. I just went back to the original settings my dealer made (he was taught by Rels John Hunter). A lot depends on what is being played as well |
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Post by optical on Dec 20, 2023 15:35:26 GMT
A lot depends on what is being played as well Yes and no (in my opinion  ). It is fairly likely that some frequencies are being exaggerated or reduced, depending on how and where the waves are colliding in the room. What that means from a listening perspective is that some tracks sound fine (no energy within the problem areas) and some sound way too boomy (because they have energy and musical content at the same frequencies as your room's response). Most (I say most because certainly it's not all) music is mastered fairly well and with a flat(ish) response in the low end, so it should not have peaks that are particularly boomy or nulls where you can't hear much going on at a frequency. It's very likely going to be the room/speaker interaction rather than the music itself, although like I say, that's not always 100% the case. Sounds like you've found a better and more balanced setting for now anyway so happy listening! I'm only just starting to get to grips with this sort of stuff myself, so not really the ideal person to be dishing out advice! However, I see some people going through the same process (and coming to the same conclusions) as I did, so it's doubly interesting. |
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Post by peterthebutcher on Dec 21, 2023 8:45:13 GMT
A lot depends on what is being played as well Yes and no (in my opinion ). It is fairly likely that some frequencies are being exaggerated or reduced, depending on how and where the waves are colliding in the room. What that means from a listening perspective is that some tracks sound fine (no energy within the problem areas) and some sound way too boomy (because they have energy and musical content at the same frequencies as your room's response). I find that with my main genre of Pipe Organ music, a lot can depend on mastering, also microphone type and were they are located (as in close or a medium distance from the pipes). I have a good friend who just specializes in organ recordings ( www.base2music.store/index.html ), but the bass response is given a very natural sound on his DSD SACD's (he has a connection to Vivid Audio, and has used the Giya Spirits for mastering), I also have a few discs (rips now) that seem to have very little bass, it seems to have been EQ'ed out |
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