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Post by dt79 on Jul 25, 2022 10:29:26 GMT
Got myself some new speakers  . Hoping to get them tomorrow or Wednesday. Saw them at a bargain price on eBay, second hand from a Kudos dealer, in great condition and with a 6 month warranty. £2,495 delivered. not bad for speakers that cost £5,700 new these days. If they work out I should be able to offset a good chunk of that from selling my Dynaudio Special 40s. I will post my thoughts in time. Here's a question, most likely stupid. I've got my speaker cabling installed under the floor and terminating on wall plates at speaker and amp end. Van Damme Blue 6mm (overkill I know - they can't be more then 6m a side). then I've got short terminated lengths of VD B 6mm going from amp to wall and wall to speakers. The ones at the speaker end are terminated in bananas on the wall end and spades on the speaker end. The S20As only accept bananas, so I could easily flip the cables around, but they are marked as being directional. What does this really mean and what sort of difference will it actually make? Alternatively I do have some spare VD 4mm Hi-Fi speaker cable and some screw-on bananas. I could make up a couple of lengths of that instead if the directionality really matters. |
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Post by lurch on Jul 25, 2022 10:54:26 GMT
From my own experience of VD Blue I'd pull the lot and junk it, horrible congested stuff that really strangles the music. It's OK for use by bands on the pub circuit but not hifi. I'd replace it all with VD hifi series 4mm as a minimum for SQ.
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Post by stevew on Jul 25, 2022 11:13:21 GMT
Agree about VD blue. If you need 6 metres then try Cat 5 Ethernet cable … twist some of the coloured wire together. I did just this and it easily sounded more transparent than the blue. Subsequently gone down tellurium q route in one system and Oliver’s super dooper cables in the main one.
If your spending that much on speakers it doesn’t make sense to limit their capabilities
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Post by dt79 on Jul 25, 2022 11:14:37 GMT
From my own experience of VD Blue I'd pull the lot and junk it, horrible congested stuff that really strangles the music. It's OK for use by bands on the pub circuit but not hifi. I'd replace it all with VD hifi series 4mm as a minimum for SQ. Getting rid of it isn’t going to be possible short of clearing the room and getting the floor up, not that I’ve ever thought i could hear anything wrong myself. Is it not the same stuff as the VD Hi-Fi, but in a different coloured insulation and the protective outer jacket? |
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Post by firebottle on Jul 25, 2022 11:59:03 GMT
Just turn the leads around, don't worry about 'directionality', I doubt there is any difference.
Better cables in the fullness of time is a definite plan.
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Post by misterc on Jul 25, 2022 12:05:13 GMT
VD van der dull
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Post by nonuffin on Jul 25, 2022 13:43:34 GMT
Describes it very well Tony. I cannot see the fascination that folks have with VDH cable. |
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Post by lurch on Jul 25, 2022 13:55:35 GMT
From my own experience of VD Blue I'd pull the lot and junk it, horrible congested stuff that really strangles the music. It's OK for use by bands on the pub circuit but not hifi. I'd replace it all with VD hifi series 4mm as a minimum for SQ. Getting rid of it isn’t going to be possible short of clearing the room and getting the floor up, not that I’ve ever thought i could hear anything wrong myself. Is it not the same stuff as the VD Hi-Fi, but in a different coloured insulation and the protective outer jacket? Possibly same wire but the jacket material & shotgun configuration help to make it perform better. To my ears hifi is a much different better behaved animal compared to the twisted pair inside the blue. Instead of pulling up the floor could you not use the existing blue to pull some 4mm hifi through the void? |
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Post by optical on Jul 25, 2022 13:58:53 GMT
Van Damme and Van Den Hul cable are not the same thing . . . .
Van Damme Blue are actually okay, there's much worse out there but there's also much better for similar outlay . . .
Van Den Hul interconnects are not great, (the ones I've heard) cannot comment on their speaker cable though.
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Post by dt79 on Jul 25, 2022 14:10:25 GMT
Getting rid of it isn’t going to be possible short of clearing the room and getting the floor up, not that I’ve ever thought i could hear anything wrong myself. Is it not the same stuff as the VD Hi-Fi, but in a different coloured insulation and the protective outer jacket? Possibly same wire but the jacket material & shotgun configuration help to make it perform better. To my ears hifi is a much different better behaved animal compared to the twisted pair inside the blue. Instead of pulling up the floor could you not use the existing blue to pull some 4mm hifi through the void? Yes that might be possible. I may look at that some day if the consensus is that there is a lot to be gained by replacing the Blue, for reasonable money. |
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Post by misterc on Jul 25, 2022 16:23:39 GMT
Van damme is just studio cable and trust me the effect is the same
I have more than enough of it here lol
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 25, 2022 18:16:53 GMT
Well first of all, CONGRATULATIONS on the new speakers! It's always very exciting to get new gear and to get it for a bargain price.
In regard to the directionality, I do think it makes a difference, even if it's only while the cable burns in. People have been sacrificed for less controversial opinion, but that's mine.
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Post by dt79 on Jul 25, 2022 18:27:35 GMT
Well first of all, CONGRATULATIONS on the new speakers! It's always very exciting to get new gear and to get it for a bargain price. In regard to the directionality, I do think it makes a difference, even if it's only while the cable burns in. People have been sacrificed for less controversial opinion, but that's mine. Thanks Ollie! Looking forward to getting them. |
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Post by Arke on Jul 25, 2022 18:43:10 GMT
Lovely looking speakers. The tweeter is supposed to be sensational! Let us know how they are.
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Post by nonuffin on Jul 25, 2022 19:47:05 GMT
I just remembered that I put the VD Blue and "Hi Fi" cable variant in a head to head review for Hi Fi Pig magazine a few years ago.
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Post by dt79 on Jul 28, 2022 17:58:31 GMT
They’re here! A day later than they should have been (bloody APC).
They’re beautifully made with a really lovely oak veneer. All in all they’re every bit as well made and presented as the Dynaudios, which isn’t bad for a much smaller outfit.
Very initial impressions; the treble seems more open and airy and I’m hearing a load of treble and midrange detail that I’m sure I wasn’t hearing before, but I’m easing myself in with some lesser played stuff before I bring the favourites out. The soundstage seems very transparent and three dimensional and there’s more impression of the acoustic of the recording space. The bass goes deeper than the Dynaudios but no surprises there.
I’m fairly amazed by how well balanced it all sounds before even running my room correction. These things really are not fussy about positioning. The plan is to run the room correction later this evening and then to get a thorough handle on them on their own before bringing the subs in to the mix. Listening to Michael Kiwanuka on vinyl and it sounds really quite beautiful.
So far so (very) good.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 28, 2022 18:14:51 GMT
This sounds promising!
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Post by edward on Jul 28, 2022 21:57:43 GMT
I've followed Kudos for some years. Always impressed with how they have a vision of what they want to achieve and then actually get there. I'm sure you will love the Super 20A. I have the Cardea C2 and whilst they don't go as low as the Tannoys I normally use they present a very refined and clean sound. My brother in law has the Kudos 606 and boy those go low and yet still have that refined Kudos sound. Not heard the Super 20As but I'm sure you will not be disappointed.
The Kudos range is very revealing of what is driving them. One time I had a 300b amp driving the Cardea C2. The Cardea C2 was able to faithfully produce that airy/wispy/ethereal sound 300bs are known for.
Looking forward to hearing about your listening experience.
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Post by dt79 on Jul 28, 2022 22:29:00 GMT
I've followed Kudos for some years. Always impressed with how they have a vision of what they want to achieve and then actually get there. I'm sure you will love the Super 20A. I have the Cardea C2 and whilst they don't go as low as the Tannoys I normally use they present a very refined and clean sound. My brother in law has the Kudos 606 and boy those go low and yet still have that refined Kudos sound. Not heard the Super 20As but I'm sure you will not be disappointed. The Kudos range is very revealing of what is driving them. One time I had a 300b amp driving the Cardea C2. The Cardea C2 was able to faithfully produce that airy/wispy/ethereal sound 300bs are known for. Looking forward to hearing about your listening experience. They’re sounding great so far. As you say very revealing. There’s just so much detail and they cast a vast stereo image, it’s very ‘ear-opening’. The 606s must really be something! |
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. Hoping to get them tomorrow or Wednesday. Saw them at a bargain price on eBay, second hand from a Kudos dealer, in great condition and with a 6 month warranty. £2,495 delivered. not bad for speakers that cost £5,700 new these days. If they work out I should be able to offset a good chunk of that from selling my Dynaudio Special 40s. 
