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Post by hifinutt on Nov 2, 2021 21:02:06 GMT
Noticed these full range speakers recently from audioaddicted . about 1400 quid new . pair on the wam at 975 and they look interesting they are full range with no crossover . anyone heard them ? N o Crossovers.
And that is why it is very difficult to find the same coherent sound elsewhere. Period. There is no frequency splitting, and any negative effects of that way of sound processing. And it is the sound processing - it is forced by Drivers ability to play only the part of what we hearing.
And yes - there still one Inductor and one Resistor present in our Speakers. It is for Baffle Step Compensation (BSC) and it is not compromise - it is a way to avoid some behaviour of Full-range Drivers without having to put them in very large Back-loaded Horn Enclosures. BSC gives ability to use those units in more convenient, Ported Cabinets. But don't worry - you won't find any cheap Ferrite Cored Coils or Ceramic Resistors there. For BSC we are only using Jantzen Air Core Inductors and Mills Wirewound Resistors inside. And not even one single Capacitor used there.
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Post by antonio on Nov 3, 2021 2:41:26 GMT
Interesting Phil and strangely, the amps recommended are Audio Nirvana, I was only looking at them a couple of days ago
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Post by macca on Nov 3, 2021 8:19:50 GMT
as full range drivers go the Audionirvana are pretty good. The trouble with single driver speakers is the advantages over a multi-way are exaggerated and the drawbacks are numerous.
Good choice if you want to use low power SET amps, but why would you want to?
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Post by antonio on Nov 4, 2021 2:21:22 GMT
Some folks swear by SET, everyone's different Macca, it may also suit the music they listen to most.
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Post by macca on Nov 4, 2021 7:56:22 GMT
why not have something that suits all music?
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 4, 2021 9:27:06 GMT
why not have something that suits all music? Some people don't listen to a variety of music. Specialised systems for particular genres are very common. |
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Post by macca on Nov 4, 2021 12:08:39 GMT
very common? No I would say quite rare.
I think the idea that you can make a system that is specialised to a particular genre is a mistaken one. At least beyond the loudspeakers. I know some like omni or semi-onmi designs for classical music and I can understand that.
Single driver speakers are not the best option for any genre. I'll except panel speakers from that though if you count a panel as a driver. But cone in box? No.
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Post by antonio on Nov 4, 2021 13:14:25 GMT
Have you got out of bed the wrong side this morning Macca? "single driver speakers are not the best option for any genre"
Well I have to say my MA Cesti's are the first single driver speaker I have owned, and I am still happy with them, and what of all the Tannoy speakers making thousands happy, they're all wrong are they? I'm sure your Focals's are not everyone cup of tea, but that does not mean they are not good speakers.
I will add, simple easy to drive speakers are thought by many to be the best way to go when it comes to speakers.
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Post by macca on Nov 4, 2021 13:33:10 GMT
lol no but I stand by my comment. First pair of single drive speakers I owned was back in 1993, been around the block on that.
Tannoys are dual concentric, a woofer and compression driver, not a single driver speaker.
You can be happy with something but that still doesn't make it the best possible option.
Having a speaker that is easy to drive is in theory a good thing, the question is what compromises have been made to get that?
Single driver has curtailed high and low FR and high distortion especially IMD which sounds bad. Also FR will be uneven, and higher frequencies will beam meaning there is a very narrow 'head in vice' sweet-spot for best HF extension.
All speakers have compromises, but single driver speakers have more compromises than about any other possible design. Much easier just to get an amplifier that doesn't have a problem driving a speaker with a crossover
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Post by sq225917 on Nov 4, 2021 18:18:00 GMT
I'm not sure an inductor for the bass and a resistor counts as no crossover. That's one more component than the es14s had in them.
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Post by jandl100 on Nov 4, 2021 20:11:46 GMT
Whilst it goes against the grain to agree with macca, I have to confess that almost all of the (many) single cone driver speakers I have heard have sounded broken to me. I think it's the crap frequency response undulations, they just don't sound like real music.
The one exception may well be an Eclipse speaker I heard at a show, a torpedo shaped thing with a surprisingly small cone at one end, many £k but at least they made sounds that were plausibly like real musical instruments.
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Post by antonio on Nov 4, 2021 23:54:28 GMT
"Whilst it goes against the grain to agree with macca" - I knew they'd be one somewhere  Put your headphones on, you're in for a treat, and they're a bit special looking as well Come to think of it, many of the expensive older design speakers are popular in Vietnam when you see all the video's on YT |
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Post by macca on Nov 5, 2021 7:20:19 GMT
But Tannoys are not a single driver speaker!
They may look like one but there's a compression driver in the centre of that bass cone.
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Post by macca on Nov 5, 2021 7:26:19 GMT
I'm not sure an inductor for the bass and a resistor counts as no crossover. That's one more component than the es14s had in them. it's a crossover in my book too. Nothing wrong with having a crossover if it is done properly. |
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Post by antonio on Nov 6, 2021 9:49:26 GMT
Ok clever clogs, you win regarding the Tannoys, and I know single drivers can roll off a touch, don't forget not everyone wants the deepest bass or the highest of highs, two of my favourite speakers are crossoverless
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Post by antonio on Nov 6, 2021 9:55:31 GMT
Whilst it goes against the grain to agree with macca, I have to confess that almost all of the (many) single cone driver speakers I have heard have sounded broken to me. I think it's the crap frequency response undulations, they just don't sound like real music. The one exception may well be an Eclipse speaker I heard at a show, a torpedo shaped thing with a surprisingly small cone at one end, many £k but at least they made sounds that were plausibly like real musical instruments. Having replied to Macca I forgot to reply to. your post Jerry, sorry. What I wanted to say was, a good call with those Eclipse speakers |
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Post by macca on Nov 6, 2021 10:05:06 GMT
Ok clever clogs, you win regarding the Tannoys, and I know single drivers can roll off a touch, don't forget not everyone wants the deepest bass or the highest of highs, two of my favourite speakers are crossoverless Right. There's engineering fact and there's personal preference. They don't necessarily correlate nor should we need or expect them to  |
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Post by hifinutt on Nov 10, 2021 15:58:33 GMT
"Whilst it goes against the grain to agree with macca" - I knew they'd be one somewhere Put your headphones on, you're in for a treat, and they're a bit special looking as well Come to think of it, many of the expensive older design speakers are popular in Vietnam when you see all the video's on YT beautiful |
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