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Post by antonio on Oct 30, 2021 4:45:45 GMT
Am I the only one that thinks this is a complete waste of time? Below is my 2nd post on the thread so you know where I stand, and you have easy access to read the whole 5 pages, but why would you want to?
Posted 14 hours ago
20 hours ago, ProfessorP3PP3R said:
I see the point in it, its purely for information. And for knowledge its interesting to see and might not seem beneficial right now but 10 years down the line you'd have hard data evidence that you could look back on and see: trends in the hobby, changes of perspective, see if the average age is rising with the current members getting older or the flip and see it plateuing or even falling (we know that later likely ain't gonna happen 🤣)
I think its a great idea, using something like a Survey monkey or something would help make it easy to fill out and easier to collect the data. Rather than it being useful right away I think the useful ness of this will come with age.
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10 years down the line - half the members on here will be lucky if they're not pushing up the daisies then. What on earth do you need a census for from a very limited number of mostly aging audiophiles. Can you really imagine the larger Audio companies and the music industry really wanting to lay there hands on a Wigwam HiFi forum census to see how trends have changed over the last 20yrs and then decide were their future products are to be aimed.
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Post by jandl100 on Oct 30, 2021 4:56:26 GMT
Wow, this has really rattled your cage hasn't it, Dave!  I'm not at all sure what the fuss is about. If it does take place, here's an idea.... don't take part if you don't want to!  Must admit I think it's a decent idea. Just as a bit of mildly interesting fun to watch how trends evolve over the years from within one of the larger online hifi communities. |
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Post by antonio on Oct 30, 2021 12:33:06 GMT
It hasn't rattled my cage Jerry, what is has done is make me wonder how grown men of a certain age, and whom I would have given a lot of respect to, acting as though it is something of importance, and it is going to be useful for members to look back on. You've been on the forums much longer than myself, being honest I thought you a bit daft constantly changing your kit, but then I realised how much you enjoyed it, and yes I can see it to be beneficial in many respects, so I suppose I've taken an interest in your different set-ups. The same can be said for other members on the forums I frequent, there a certain individuals whom you take more interest in than others, and you pretty much know their kit. If I wanted to know something about which amplifier you preferred with a certain pre you used 5yrs ago Jerry, I would send a pm to ask you, I would not be looking at a census. I can only assume some must believe being an audiophile is far more important than it really is and that they must complete a census. If they are daft enough to do one let em get on with it and make themselves look more foolish than most non audiophiles think we are.
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Post by macca on Oct 30, 2021 12:56:49 GMT
I see where you are coming from Dave. As a bit of fun I don't see the issue but I agree that no useful data is likely to come out of it.
Maybe if the questions were very specific and well thought out and the survey was run around multiple forums so you got several thousand responses you might do though.
If you look at marketing questions they tend to be along the lines of 'How much are you planning to spend on hi-fi in the next 12 months?' - and then a range of options to tick. Something like that with thousands of replies you'd have something then I think. Although what you do with it is another matter.
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Post by jandl100 on Oct 30, 2021 14:25:13 GMT
I suspect you are over-thinking it, Dave. I don't think anyone is taking it seriously in the manner that you suggest. I don't think there is any intention of providing any useful marketing information to anyone. As Martin suggests, the number of responses will be several orders of magnitude too small for that anyway. I think it's just an approximate way of tracking changing attitudes to 'things hifi' within an audiophile community. I have to confess that I would find that of moderate interest. Worth half an hour a year of my time to contribute to it? Yes, I think so. Worth the amount of time that the originator of the idea will have to put into it to make it work? Ah, now there's a question! But my guess is that the numbers of people responding will be way too small for anything very sensible to come out of it. I'd expect low double figures, which would probably be inadequate to track trends meaningfully. ... And yup, you win your choice of coconut or teddy bear for realising that my box swap habit is pure fun and interest, and in no way concerned with an attempt to cure a desperate unhappiness with my system.  ... And if you asked me what amplifier went best with something I had 5 years ago, I feel fairly sure that I wouldn't have a clue! |
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Post by antonio on Oct 30, 2021 14:50:07 GMT
Of course my comment regarding HiFi manufacturers and record companies was pure sarcasm. I thought I was going daft, all these grown men wanting a census, even for a bit of fun, then Fourlegs agreed it was a waste of time, but more posts were made all thinking it was a good idea, and as for you remembering five years back Jerry, of what went well with a certain amp, you bloody well could |
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Post by sq225917 on Oct 30, 2021 19:05:50 GMT
It helps them sell advertising if they know their audience.
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Post by antonio on Oct 31, 2021 1:27:05 GMT
Possibly Simon, but mostly I, and I think you, already know the audience, 2nd hand hifi might do ok advertising on there Only joking since a good number have spent a fair old chunk. |
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Post by sq225917 on Oct 31, 2021 14:15:19 GMT
He he. The wams a big forum, I'd hate to think what the combined spend is a year for all members. I bet its over a million quid.
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Post by mikeyb on Oct 31, 2021 15:23:43 GMT
this thread is useless without a Poll  |
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Post by antonio on Oct 31, 2021 22:48:20 GMT
You beat me to it, was exactly what I was going to say  |
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Post by jandl100 on Nov 8, 2021 8:05:56 GMT
Hey Dave - the Wam Census is now live, have you filled it in yet? The way it's going there could well be over 100 participants. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 8, 2021 9:06:10 GMT
Hey Dave - the Wam Census is now live, have you filled it in yet? The way it's going there could well be over 100 participants. I filled it in.....just for Dave 🤣 |
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Post by macca on Nov 8, 2021 10:00:08 GMT
I completed it even though I'm not a member.
I think I would have asked different questions, not sure that some of them have any real usefulness. Still it will be interesting to see the results.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 8, 2021 10:04:54 GMT
I completed it even though I'm not a member. I think I would have asked different questions, not sure that some of them have any real usefulness. Still it will be interesting to see the results. Yeah, agreed. Not sure what though. |
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Post by macca on Nov 8, 2021 10:40:14 GMT
I;d be interested in how many choose
used vs new
Vintage vs modern
Multi-channel vs 2 channel
large speakers vs small speakers
passive room treatment vs none
buying by the spec/measurements vs having to have a demo first
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 8, 2021 11:04:49 GMT
Viny or digital
Solid state or Valve
Hi Res or RedBook
System cost
Streaming or stored files
Streaming service of applicable.
Monthly music spend
......I have loads lol
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Post by macca on Nov 8, 2021 11:35:56 GMT
The current survey covers your first two already. Although I get the impression that these days a lot of people have both vinyl and streaming.
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Post by antonio on Nov 9, 2021 1:01:40 GMT
Hey Dave - the Wam Census is now live, have you filled it in yet? The way it's going there could well be over 100 participants. Unsurprisingly I have not even looked at the thread, I do wish more members would do the same when they are not interested in a thread but still continue to thread spoil, cable recommendations are number one for this. Anyway Jerry, and I will include you Oli will not be winding me up for sure, over 100 participants, wow, it's going to be really meaningful then |
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 9, 2021 11:51:21 GMT
Hey Dave - the Wam Census is now live, have you filled it in yet? The way it's going there could well be over 100 participants. Unsurprisingly I have not even looked at the thread, I do wish more members would do the same when they are not interested in a thread but still continue to thread spoil, cable recommendations are number one for this. Anyway Jerry, and I will include you Oli will not be winding me up for sure, over 100 participants, wow, it's going to be really meaningful then I did fill it in! |
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Post by macca on Nov 9, 2021 12:17:21 GMT
only takes 10 seconds to do it so why not?
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Post by antonio on Nov 9, 2021 12:54:56 GMT
I don't want to be a hypocrite Macca.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 9, 2021 14:09:11 GMT
I don't want to be a hypocrite Macca. We won't judge you 🤣🤣 |
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Post by antonio on Nov 9, 2021 14:13:30 GMT
But how do I know that for sure? anyway not risking it |
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 9, 2021 14:39:38 GMT
But how do I know that for sure? anyway not risking it Hahaha. I would totally judge you 🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by macca on Nov 9, 2021 16:56:24 GMT
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