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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 20, 2020 18:16:48 GMT
Ok fellas of far more Jazz Knowledge than me, what's the most enjoyable or sought after Blue Note recordings.
Give me a top 10 of your faves and I'll get a listen to them
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Post by electronumpty on Mar 20, 2020 22:05:13 GMT
Have tou got a natural inclination to any particular style? Bebop, trad, modern, avant garde, etc ?
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 20, 2020 22:26:56 GMT
Have tou got a natural inclination to any particular style? Bebop, trad, modern, avant garde, etc ? Erm..... I like Art Blakey - Moanin' Which i have bought. I also give a listen to some Duke Ellington Stuff now and again. No idea about style of Jazz
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Post by electronumpty on Mar 20, 2020 22:40:02 GMT
Well I would have recommended Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers but you have found them anyway. π thats Bebop which is the classic 50s-60s trio, quartet style I really like Abdullah Ibrahim aka Dollar Brand a South African pianist . More modern but really good . this is a good one to try. Not Blue Note though π
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 20, 2020 22:46:58 GMT
Well I would have recommended Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers but you have found them anyway. π thats Bebop which is the classic 50s-60s trio, quartet style I really like Abdullah Ibrahim aka Dollar Brand a South African pianist . More modern but really good . this is a good one to try. Not Blue Note though π Ta, i will have a look at that.
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Post by jimbo on Mar 21, 2020 9:06:41 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 21, 2020 10:05:35 GMT
Thanks for that, Jim. That looks like a modern Reissue. Didnt fancy an original?
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Post by jimbo on Mar 21, 2020 10:37:04 GMT
Played it last night and it was a perfectly pressed slab of vinyl - top quality and sounded excellent. Yes original may have been tad better but this copy is still very good indeed.
The music is absolutely top quality and my favourite jazz period especially as I am a big Duke fan. The tone of the trumpet and clarinet are superb and remained me of my dad playing this sort of stuff when I was a kid.
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Post by jimbo on Mar 21, 2020 10:38:11 GMT
Even if you listen too it on Spotify the recording jumps out at you!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 10:51:07 GMT
Try Stanley Turrentine too, Hustlinβ, Cominβ your way, and Up at Mintonβs all easy listeners and great. Try some Kenny Burrell and some Grant Green all easy imho before you dive in lol. Iβm no expert though.....
As it happens Art Blakey A Night at Birdland is on right now
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 21, 2020 12:23:17 GMT
Played it last night and it was a perfectly pressed slab of vinyl - top quality and sounded excellent. Yes original may have been tad better but this copy is still very good indeed. The music is absolutely top quality and my favourite jazz period especially as I am a big Duke fan. The tone of the trumpet and clarinet are superb and remained me of my dad playing this sort of stuff when I was a kid. Thanks Jim. I may see what's about in the form of an early pressing. Seems a lot of this stuff is going quite cheaply
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 21, 2020 12:31:57 GMT
Try Stanley Turrentine too, Hustlinβ, Cominβ your way, and Up at Mintonβs all easy listeners and great. Try some Kenny Burrell and some Grant Green all easy imho before you dive in lol. Iβm no expert though..... As it happens Art Blakey A Night at Birdland is on right now Oh, I have that on digital already. I'll give it a listen ta
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Post by dsjr on Mar 21, 2020 13:39:17 GMT
Told to me by a jazz buff (manager of Mole Jazz record shop in London who's sadly long deceased). Original period Blue Note vinyl apparently had a definite bass lift engineered in which wasn't done on the digital transfers. You either like one or the other. Later vinyl cuts apparently mimicked the digital by all accounts. Not my genre so I'm only reacting as a messenger here.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 21, 2020 14:01:15 GMT
Told to me by a jazz buff (manager of Mole Jazz record shop in London who's sadly long deceased). Original period Blue Note vinyl apparently had a definite bass lift engineered in which wasn't done on the digital transfers. You either like one or the other. Later vinyl cuts apparently mimicked the digital by all accounts. Not my genre so I'm only reacting as a messenger here. Oh, maybe best to get the remasters then?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 16:48:28 GMT
Try the Tone Poet or 80th series theyβre mostly all taken from analogue masters and are brilliant. As for Rudy van Gelder Iβm no expert but I was under the impression he was thought to add to the top rather than the bass and through his own, sometimes criticised, mic positions created his own sound.
If you start looking for original blue notes then have your wallet ready lol.....
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Post by dsjr on Mar 21, 2020 16:55:02 GMT
This chap much preferred the originals I recall, but freely admitted to me he was brought up on the originals and any change from that would be automatically at odds with his memories.
P.S. All the CD's would have come from the analogue masters too, but adding 'vinyl spec' eq to these masters for CD release usually sounds horrible. I have a story about the 1964 Decca Solti Mahler 4 LP's compared to the CD which my mastering engineer pal 'did' in the first issue anyway. I won't bore you but the original vinyl sounds absolutely NOTHING like the master, due on part to the eq added which apparently sounded awful if done for the CD issue - the vinyl cutting eq was clearly specified on the tape boxes...
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Post by firebottle on Mar 21, 2020 18:39:25 GMT
- the vinyl cutting eq was clearly specified on the tape boxes...
Love that, thinking ahead.
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Post by rexton on Mar 21, 2020 20:21:11 GMT
No disrespect Ollie but real original MONO pressings are going to set you back a lot of money, four figures in some instances. Good look.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 21, 2020 21:05:20 GMT
No disrespect Ollie but real original MONO pressings are going to set you back a lot of money, four figures in some instances. Good look. Presuming I cant afford expensive vinyl.....? 100% correct lol Yes, I noticed there are some really expensive LPs about and it's fair to say that im not a Jazz officiando, so seems quite pointless going mad. I'll snap up a few Reissues of likeable LP, I think. Being new to the Genre, I would be happy just to get some pointer of what's considered "the greats"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 9:49:59 GMT
There is just so much to choose from a lot of it comes down to taste and exposure to it and hence acquired taste too. Take Miles Davis Bitches Brew for example (I realise it's not Blue Note) as a widely regarded great album but I wouldn't recommend it as a first listen.
My wife says Jazz makes her angry lol but she's used to it having said that. Even so if I play this record she will ask what the hell is going on.....
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 22, 2020 9:52:03 GMT
There is just so much to choose from a lot of it comes down to taste and exposure to it and hence acquired taste too. Take Miles Davis Bitches Brew for example (I realise it's not Blue Note) as a widely regarded great album but I wouldn't recommend it as a first listen. My wife says Jazz makes her angry lol but she's used to it having said that. Even so if I play this record she will ask what the hell is going on..... Thats a very good point. I think I'll use the digital to listen to some material and go from there
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 9:56:53 GMT
Although Miles Davis Kind of Blue is very accessible but I suspect you've heard it as it's probably the most recommended first listen. Try some of those I mentioned, even though they may not all be in the "greats" category, Kenny Burrell's Midnight Blue is.....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 9:58:44 GMT
Just thought, if you have Qobuz then the worlds's your oyster for Jazz.....
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 22, 2020 11:01:42 GMT
Just thought, if you have Qobuz then the worlds's your oyster for Jazz..... No streaming but YouTube is good for that
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 22, 2020 13:20:36 GMT
This seems to get a bit of acknowledgement from the Duke Ellington fans. Guess we'll find out
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Post by rexton on Mar 22, 2020 13:28:17 GMT
Ollie,
Wayne Shorter, Hank Mobley, John Coltrane, Dave Brubeck, Byrd, Charlie Mingus, not all Blue Note but probably some of the more popular artists.
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Post by dsjr on Mar 22, 2020 13:36:07 GMT
My recently deceased mate, who bought hundreds of jazz CD's, seemed to find that the mastering was done with the minimum amount of interference and by engineers who cared. Maybe the big label titles were messed with more (Kind of Blue, Take Five and so on) but said pal's experience was that less well known 50's recordings sounded better than ever on CD, the more 'direct to tape with no messing' approach keeping much of the 'energy' and 'vibrancy' of the live instruments which 'digital' retains so well if not abused by mastering engineers. Counter the above with a mid 90's CD of Humphrey Littleton - www.discogs.com/Humphrey-Lyttelton-And-His-Band-Hear-Me-Talkin-to-Ya/release/14342800Terrible over-production and having heard this band perform this album twice in a close-up setting (The Stables Wavendon and also The Barbican Foyer - the last time I visited with Jimmy Hughes sadly), I despaired of modern mixing and production techniques...
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 22, 2020 13:36:44 GMT
Ollie, Wayne Shorter, Hank Mobley, John Coltrane, Dave Brubeck, Byrd, Charlie Mingus, not all Blue Note but probably some of the more popular artists. Thanks Andrew. I have a couple of John Coltrane and Dave Brubeck. I'll look up the others Appreciated
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 22, 2020 13:41:12 GMT
My recently deceased mate, who bought hundreds of jazz CD's, seemed to find that the mastering was done with the minimum amount of interference and by engineers who cared. Maybe the big label titles were messed with more (Kind of Blue, Take Five and so on) but said pal's experience was that less well known 50's recordings sounded better than ever on CD, the more 'direct to tape with no messing' approach keeping much of the 'energy' and 'vibrancy' of the live instruments. Counter the above with a mid 90's CD of Humphrey Littleton - www.discogs.com/Humphrey-Lyttelton-And-His-Band-Hear-Me-Talkin-to-Ya/release/14342800Terrible over-production and having heard this band perform this album twice in a close-up setting (The Stables Wavendon and also The Barbican Foyer - the last time I visited with Jimmy Hughes sadly), I despaired of modern mixing and production techniques... The Files I have (not from CD) seems to sound really expansive. Its good
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Post by dsjr on Mar 22, 2020 13:59:59 GMT
What's good - the Humphrey Lyttleton album? Seriously, it's not a good production or mix compared to the better 50's routine. Can't give titles currently as the box of jazz CD's is stored away currently.
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