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Post by nonuffin on Nov 21, 2019 15:34:07 GMT
Watch this space  Why, is a stripper about to leap from behind the curtain? Wasn't a stripper came to mind with me, it was a six foot wide watch face  |
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Post by raygun on Nov 22, 2019 15:08:44 GMT
Wasn't a stripper came to mind with me, it was a six foot wide watch face  Centred the (different) rack  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 20:38:33 GMT
Got the soundbarthingymagiggy for the bedroom system (takes up less room than 2 freestanding speakers) & was just trying it out. And I'll stick with the Garrard thanks. I've a SL1200 that I'll swap any day for that Garrard raygun and if it sounds even half as good as it looks then you must be very happy indeed. |
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Post by raygun on Nov 22, 2019 22:08:48 GMT
Got the soundbarthingymagiggy for the bedroom system (takes up less room than 2 freestanding speakers) & was just trying it out. And I'll stick with the Garrard thanks. I've a SL1200 that I'll swap any day for that Garrard raygun and if it sounds even half as good as it looks then you must be very happy indeed. It's only got a Nagaoka MP110 in it so not really 'high end' but it makes a reasonable noise. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 1:09:37 GMT
I've a SL1200 that I'll swap any day for that Garrard raygun and if it sounds even half as good as it looks then you must be very happy indeed. It's only got a Nagaoka MP110 in it so not really 'high end' but it makes a reasonable noise. I'm really enjoying an Audio Technica 150 Moving Magnet on my Techie at the moment, admittedly it doesn't do the finer details of the more expensive MC's I've owned before but it has more than enough going for it for my needs, doesn't cost the earth and has replaceable stylus. |
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Post by raygun on Nov 23, 2019 10:06:12 GMT
Cartridges are an area where the law of diminishing returns definitely applies, sometimes, listening to my Nagaoka (which I think is around the £100 mark?) I wonder how anything else could sound significantly better. Probably what you said about the finer detail is true but where do you draw the line? Then there's the whole dabate about phono stages, I just use the one in my Luxman which sounds at least as good as the Quad one I was using before.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 10:14:09 GMT
Yes I agree Ray.
Does a £1000 cart sound £900 better than a £100 cart.
Nah.
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Post by macca on Nov 23, 2019 13:04:19 GMT
Cartridges are an area where the law of diminishing returns definitely applies, sometimes, listening to my Nagaoka (which I think is around the £100 mark?) I wonder how anything else could sound significantly better. Probably what you said about the finer detail is true but where do you draw the line? Then there's the whole dabate about phono stages, I just use the one in my Luxman which sounds at least as good as the Quad one I was using before. I've had all of the Nagaokas over the years - still got two of them - and you do get more as you go up the range. But the cheaper ones are still excellent. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 23, 2019 19:18:44 GMT
Thing is with cartridges, they are only as good as the partnering equipment.
Is a £1000 cartridge £900 better than a £100 cartridge in a Rega RB300? No.
Is it £900 better in the PMAT1010 I have on my SP10, absolutely, but then quantifying objects vs their monetary price tag is never going to suggest anything above £100 is VFM.
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Post by raygun on Nov 23, 2019 20:49:43 GMT
It's a tricky one Oliver, & you have far more experience than me when it comes to turntables & all the subsidiary paraphernalia but I don't reckon a £1000 cart would sound 10 x better than a £100 one on any turntable / arm / phono stage combo. I'll concede it should/would be better but 10 x? A moot point anyway, I'd never spend that much on a gramophone needle.
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Post by nonuffin on Nov 23, 2019 21:22:58 GMT
Bring back the days when you could buy a whole tin full of needles from Woolworthsand it only cost thruppence |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 21:30:48 GMT
Bring back the days when you could buy a whole tin full of needles from Woolworthsand it only cost thruppence And you could get a bag of hot roasted peanuts from the thing on the counter wot did 'em. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 25, 2019 7:45:05 GMT
It's a tricky one Oliver, & you have far more experience than me when it comes to turntables & all the subsidiary paraphernalia but I don't reckon a £1000 cart would sound 10 x better than a £100 one on any turntable / arm / phono stage combo. I'll concede it should/would be better but 10 x? A moot point anyway, I'd never spend that much on a gramophone needle. I have heard £200 cartridges sound like they should cost 5x the price but that was on a top class TT and Phonostage. I have also heard £2k cartridges sound like a £200 cartridge on poorly setup front ends lol. I suppose it is difficult to completely justify the money but its like saying "is a rolls Royce 100x better than a Ford focus?" Well, not if you are only trundling to the shops in it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 14:05:55 GMT
I've heard a couple of MM carts piss all over Benz.Lyra.Koetsu, etc. .etc...
MCs who the fuk is fooling who.
MC is better me Donkey...😂😂😂
Engine made a fine point earlier....MC can't do Rock....Loud R&R would make em explode.
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Post by dsjr on Nov 25, 2019 18:38:47 GMT
Thing is with cartridges, they are only as good as the partnering equipment. Is a £1000 cartridge £900 better than a £100 cartridge in a Rega RB300? No. Is it £900 better in the PMAT1010 I have on my SP10, absolutely, but then quantifying objects vs their monetary price tag is never going to suggest anything above £100 is VFM. Nothing wrong with an RB300 if you know what deck to fit it to. I can't demonstrate this any more, but I stand by that statement 100%! The RB300 is definitely the slave of it's mounting and the deck and armboard it's mounted on ime. The current Apheta 3 does sound 'better' than the less exalted tipped Apheta 2 and basic Ania (on rock music too Jammy!) and that was in what's basically an RB330 arm, albeit a posher looking one! Back in the day, I had fabulous sounds from a Mr Brier in an RB300 and on an LP12 to boot! The Mr Brier would probably be at least a couple of grand today! Westie and I have been chatting about the Roksan Xerxes, as I've had to try to service two early power supplies recently (one successfully). The first arm of choice for this deck would be a Rega without a doubt (I couldn't be arsed with the wobbly counterweight of their own arms).
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Post by antonio on Nov 25, 2019 18:43:07 GMT
Agree with Dave, RB250 does a great job with my Lyra Helikon.
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Post by raygun on Nov 26, 2019 21:07:19 GMT
I suppose it is difficult to completely justify the money but its like saying "is a rolls Royce 100x better than a Ford focus?" Well, not if you are only trundling to the shops in it. The first bit of that is a good analogy but I don't get the bit about 'trundling to the shops'? |
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 26, 2019 22:25:37 GMT
I suppose it is difficult to completely justify the money but its like saying "is a rolls Royce 100x better than a Ford focus?" Well, not if you are only trundling to the shops in it. The first bit of that is a good analogy but I don't get the bit about 'trundling to the shops'? What I was getting at was that if you are doing loads of miles, I presume the value of the car start to become more apparent opposed to just doing a couple of miles to the shop. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 26, 2019 22:29:07 GMT
Thing is with cartridges, they are only as good as the partnering equipment. Is a £1000 cartridge £900 better than a £100 cartridge in a Rega RB300? No. Is it £900 better in the PMAT1010 I have on my SP10, absolutely, but then quantifying objects vs their monetary price tag is never going to suggest anything above £100 is VFM. Nothing wrong with an RB300 if you know what deck to fit it to. I can't demonstrate this any more, but I stand by that statement 100%! The RB300 is definitely the slave of it's mounting and the deck and armboard it's mounted on ime. The current Apheta 3 does sound 'better' than the less exalted tipped Apheta 2 and basic Ania (on rock music too Jammy!) and that was in what's basically an RB330 arm, albeit a posher looking one! Back in the day, I had fabulous sounds from a Mr Brier in an RB300 and on an LP12 to boot! The Mr Brier would probably be at least a couple of grand today! Westie and I have been chatting about the Roksan Xerxes, as I've had to try to service two early power supplies recently (one successfully). The first arm of choice for this deck would be a Rega without a doubt (I couldn't be arsed with the wobbly counterweight of their own arms). There's levels, Dave. I can tell you (having owned a 300, 250 and I think a 202) that yes, on the right TT they are a very capable arm but they will not give you the performance of say an SME V or PMAT1010. In those arms, the capabilities of the cartridge are really put on display. |
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Post by dsjr on Nov 27, 2019 7:42:43 GMT
I disagree, from first hand experience (I used to sell the SME IV, V and 309, the latter more tolerant of what it was used on). The Rega doesn't look posh and lacks audiophile VTA adjustment. It also lacks the VDH cabling the earlier SME's used (not sure what SME use today though). In every other respect it's at least as good structurally and as I've said many times, the superior engineering is hidden behind the mediocre finish, where SME go to town on making their arms look nice. Please don't be tempted to listen with your eyes, as in posher looking arms and oil-rig decks with acres of shiny solid looking metal - been there and it's a hiding to nothing really  |
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 27, 2019 15:21:08 GMT
I disagree, from first hand experience (I used to sell the SME IV, V and 309, the latter more tolerant of what it was used on). The Rega doesn't look posh and lacks audiophile VTA adjustment. It also lacks the VDH cabling the earlier SME's used (not sure what SME use today though). In every other respect it's at least as good structurally and as I've said many times, the superior engineering is hidden behind the mediocre finish, where SME go to town on making their arms look nice. Please don't be tempted to listen with your eyes, as in posher looking arms and oil-rig decks with acres of shiny solid looking metal - been there and it's a hiding to nothing really Not having it, Dave. |
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Post by dsjr on Nov 27, 2019 15:39:38 GMT
One day old chap, one day |
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Post by raygun on Mar 31, 2020 19:32:41 GMT
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Post by nuff on Mar 31, 2020 19:41:41 GMT
Very nice setup. The Tannoys look great.
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Post by sq225917 on Mar 31, 2020 20:50:42 GMT
I've owned a V and and an rb700, rewired and with tungsten weight. While the V can be accused of being a little grey its head and shoulders above the Rega.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 31, 2020 21:36:35 GMT
Nice looking setup there!
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Post by jandl100 on Apr 1, 2020 8:09:37 GMT
they've come up really nicely, Roy - I do like the looks of big Tannoys; very purposeful!
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Post by firebottle on Apr 1, 2020 9:34:34 GMT
Just not the sound eh Jerry?
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Post by jandl100 on Apr 1, 2020 9:56:20 GMT
teehee - I carefully avoided saying that |
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Post by jimbo on Apr 1, 2020 10:25:22 GMT
I think the Garrard 401 looks rather nice in that huge plinth.
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