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If you have to deliberate, it’s already failing in some respect. That’s how I feel anyway.

Is that DSJR pissing on folks parade yet again......?

Like me LS3/5As are Sh#t.
Like me Brother's Mofi TT is Sh#t.

Dave yer more than welcome to your views, but it don't make em right.
Your findings are no more valid than anyone elses.

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Yep, same old same old. Isn’t it getting boring? I’m also getting mighty pissed off with it tbh.

Let's look at this from a dealers point of view, if you were a dealer would you really want to take a £700 amp to someone house and bugger about all afternoon. If we're talking about £5000 amps I see this differently.

I’m sorry but that’s completely wrong. Look at the facts.

I replied to Shane’s post about the quad, saying ....

“ You’ ve had a better chance to listen properly, but that Quad Vena was a dreadful soggy thing with no balls the two times I heard it.”

And in another I added...

“I can understand the market for the Vena. It does streaming, it looks nice, it has a headphone socket, and it’s cheap. It’s also a respected brand. But,,,,,of course there’s a but....I’d sooner not listen to music than have that sort of sound. And don’t get me started on streaming and Bluetooth.

I bet it will sell in large numbers nevertheless.”

I’m allowed to have an opinion y’know.


Dave then rode in with two comments...

“Have you HEARD, SEEN in the flesh or even USED a Vena 2? It may not give a Brio R too many headaches, but it's a lovely sounding thing in mk2 form and surprisingly capable outside of audiophilery!”
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And.....

“Note to westie - I've directly compared in the past, the Sonneteer Alabaster to the Quad Artera Play/power and baby VA1 (no, not the Vena's, but I'm sure they wouldn't be so different) and there's eff-all difference sonically apart from power. The differences here are visual and power output I believe! Of course, if you think Naim is the way to go sonically, then any of these would be less 'exciting' and smoother, as there's no forward 'grey/grain' or 'thump' to spice the sound up.“

Then we had the start of the usual bollocks about questioning other people’s experiences and looking for loopholes to “win” and make his OPINION” a fact.

“Where and when did you hear it? What did you directly compare it to and in what circumstances - or it didn't happen [img class="smile" src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png" alt=""]

I do think you'd be surprised listening to things without knowing what they are, as I was when I compared the Alabaster to the Artera pair. Pre-conceived ideas by rights, should tell you that the Quad is soft and thick toned. I felt they sounded the same apart from the Quad's greater power.

Knowing how much visuals play on your gear choice westie I KNOW you wouldn't like the Vena whatever it sounded like. It's old fashioned styling and dark greyish colouring would put you against it long before anything was played through it, as it's not available in your preferred silver. Think visuals don't count in final choices? They certainly did for me before I clocked what was going on in my head...”

Notice he’s now bringing in a single listen to a Sonneteer amp I havent even heard or commented on, and arguing it’s EXACTLY the same as another Quad amp that I also haven’t heard or spoken about, as some bizarre justification that his view on the Vena is right and mine is wrong. You couldn’t make it up. I’ve also already said when and where I heard the Vena....twice.

He then goes on to repeatedly cross-examine my listening experiences and is arguing with himself after I’d already said I wasn’t playing his game. Have you or he read rule 2? I suggest you both do so.

Oh, and he’s psycho analysing me now... He “KNOWS” I was always going to hate it because it isn’t available in silver. Really? Well he’s wrong on both counts. Has he forgotten I love Exposure. And to cap it all, the thing IS available in silver.

www.hifix.co.uk/quad-vena-ii-intergrated-amplifier?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI78f6_8iO5QIVjLTtCh1p2g2hEAkYASABEgJxBvD_BwE

I’m fed up of this nonsense from Dave. It’s gone on too long and I won’t tolerate a single further transgression. Either he learns to accept that his opinions are no more valid than anyone else’s or he takes his bull crap elsewhere.

All I asked was what you directly compared it to, or at least were you familiar with the particular room it was played in, otherwise you're judging the entire system on one particular experience (twice) and not merely one component. Otherwise one's opinion is meaningless frankly

Ah, leave it. I'm not talking nonsense at all just asking for some kind of control reference when making highly critical statements on gear you don't like. That way your opinions hold up better and get more respect long term. At least Shane and Dad did a (albeit sighted non level matched) comparison in the same room and with same source/speakers! Can't you see that?

Admin: Yes I can which is why I recognised this IN MY VERY FIRST POST WHICH YOU CLEARLY DIDN’T READ PROPERLY Because it also says I’d heard the Vena, which you then questioned.

I won't offend you further on this. Life's too damned effing short.

I (we) appreciate you know her onions Dave, we enjoy your posts and take from your shared knowledge, your mistake ain't in sharing with us, it's in the fact that you hold the mistaken belief that you know better than us......You simply Don't, Can't, and Never will.

Why ?

That's the million dollar question you should ask yourself, and once you find the simple answer......you'll be a better bloke.

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"Yep, same old same old. Isn’t it getting boring? I’m also getting mighty pissed off with it tbh."

Maybe I misunderstood this quote made by you Westie against a post made by Jammy. I understood it to mean you were pissed off with Jammy, whereas I understood Jammy's post to be in support of your comments made earlier.

I don't disagree with other's opinions if they differ, just *sometimes* the method they or I used in coming to that different conclusion and it's also surprising therefore how we meet exactly on other bits of gear - so what the eff is going on there? Strangers may be searching for online opinions of audio products and if unsubstantiated claims are made, that's hardly going to help them is it?

The one thing I can thank DQ for, is bringing to my attention that all claims (I make) on audio forums need to be backed up and substantiated somehow with a proper explanation. Sure I get pissed off about it and it's also something that AVI's Ashley James never did - having to back up every fucking thing I/we say with proof of one form or another as nobody will believe otherwise (and sorry Jammy, but I feel I AM better placed to make comments and give backup reasoning based on fifty odd years of study and career-work in this industry I'm still loosely a part of, together with hundreds of dems comparing stuff in different venues as well as client's homes something I deeply miss still although I'm past it now). I'm not being big headed *genuinely* and freely admit to knowing F#ck-all else in much else in life, but I'll be damned if I allow all my experiences, expertise and accumulated knowledge in this UK audio industry (almost certainly Aspergically based, so all but photographic memories in a very narrow subject range) to be totally dismissed now - part of the condition. If any of you really knew me, you'd understand me better, but you don't, sadly, I can't talk face to face and show you and there's no way that's going to happen, so I'm at a huge disadvantage.

OK, what to do. STFU probably and let you all get on with it, fuming in the background if I read something I want to contribute to. This interest has been all my life and forums are getting in the way of other things.

If I piss you lot off at times I'm deeply sorry, but if I piss my wife off with this side of my life taking over, which it does at times, I'm damned for eternity

I’d already acknowledged Shane’s demo was more meaningful than my two hearings. Have a look at the first post. All I was saying was that on the basis of what I’d heard, I wasn’t encouraged and wouldn’t want to hear more,

If you’d simply posted your opinion of the thing, then fine, but that’s not how you went about, it. You started with questions as to whether I’d even heard it when both visits are a matter of record here and also were mentioned in my first post.

How many people hear something in a dem or at a show and comment? One listen, often brief, can give an indication to many folk. I heard it twice in two different rooms with different speakers. Sure, you can always listen more, but I can still form an opinion on what I heard. Plenty people do.

Your MO, especially where I’m concerned is to doubt my honesty, question whether I’ve even heard stuff and argue that my views on things I’ve even owned are “wrong”. You even ended up championing the Linn LVX FFS. I’m utterly fed up with it and I’m not alone.

This time you went further and claimed to KNOW (your words) that I didn’t like the Vena because it wasn’t available in silver! Here’s a FACT: it is! And don’t be so arrogant as to assume you can be inside someone’s head when you weren’t even there.

DQ actually pulled you up for representing your views as facts, not for insufficiently supporting them with evidence, but you still cannot see that that is what you do over and over and over. Until you do, there is no point in having any dialogue with you, so this will be my last post addressing you.

Yes he does that to me too but that's just Dave being Dave. No reason to take it personally. On occasion he might be right, too. But hey, it's your forum.

Interesting; this is like arguing with your mates whether you like big knockers and child bearing hips with an ass to match, or bee sting titties and tight buns.
I have a mate who is so dogmatic, and pedantic about everything, cars, women, hi-fi, houses, even bloody bathroom taps, that I now just let it wash over. I say to him the bird next door to me has great legs, his retort "no Bud you do not know what you are talking about, I do body training, I know what good legs are." Only problem is his girlfriends legs do not give me a half lazy, the birds legs next door do.