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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 26, 2019 10:19:32 GMT
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Post by dsjr on Sept 26, 2019 10:38:00 GMT
i thought green pens made a difference to CD's - and then a friend did it to the edge of an LP and I *thought* I heard the same kind of difference, which is impossible. hat experience and a number of others subsequently kind of cured me of all this bullshit!
'We' are SO easily fooled it's not true.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 10:50:44 GMT
One of my mates has one, and it does bring out a smidgen more detail. As I find the quest for the ultimate detail is one of the main reasons why people are never satisfied with their so called "accurate", "revealing" expensive systems, and are always complaining that the things irritate them. I see no need to add fuel to the fire, of what is taking the true musical enjoyment out of this hobby for me at least; with overly cynical, bright, amplifiers, DAC's etc. and tinkle box speakers.
Like asking me; what is your favorite tweeter? The one that does not draw attention to it's self!
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 26, 2019 10:54:40 GMT
I’m with you on wanting to avoid listening to differences rather than listening to music. I just can’t be bothered these days. Can you imagine someone with a couple of thousand CDs sitting and shaping the edges of every one?
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Post by macca on Sept 26, 2019 11:40:01 GMT
I like the way that they describe all the improvements it brings but offer no explanation as to how it actually achieves them. That's because it does absolutely F#ck-all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 12:51:16 GMT
I like the way that they describe all the improvements it brings but offer no explanation as to how it actually achieves them. That's because it does absolutely F#ck-all. My mate recons it skims the cd disk thus making it better balanced. Thus allowing the laser to track more accurately. What the hell do I know I still have Cassette players.
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Post by macca on Sept 26, 2019 13:21:57 GMT
The thing is, if the laser was not tracking accurately then you'd get skips, drop outs or that nasty squeeling sort of sound. A CD either plays 100% perfectly or it will have audible issues. It won't just sound 'not as good'.
Lots of products seem to be aimed at the punter who thinks a cd is a lot like a vinyl record as in it spins around and the laser 'tracks' it like a stylus tracks a groove. But aside from them both being circular discs and both are spinning around they have nothing in common in how they work.
You also see people stocking up on 'spare laser mechs' as though the laser will wear out like a stylus does, but that doesn't happen either. It will gradually lose power over the years but it's so slow a process that it will never likely be an issue.
If the player won't read or is skipping it is 99.9& certain to be something other than the laser.
On one player I had it was a failed ribbon connector. On another it was a component that had gone way out of tolerance - can't recall if it was a cap or a resistor now.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 26, 2019 14:15:25 GMT
I like the way that they describe all the improvements it brings but offer no explanation as to how it actually achieves them. That's because it does absolutely F#ck-all. Wouldn’t blacking out the edge of a disc do either the same or better job? presumably no scattered light is better than a bevelled edge dispersing it? I’d feel a proper tit sitting in a pile of dust and flakes, adding bevelled edges to my CD collection. If it floats someone’s boat, good for them. These days if it doesn’t make the sort of difference I’d immediately notice without being told a change had happened, I’m not interested. If the music sounds great, I forget about the system.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 14:25:58 GMT
A bloke who fixes my kit, a rather eccentric Serbian, told me to always keep a disc in the CDP, keeps the dust off the laser, makes sense and what harm can it do.
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Post by macca on Sept 26, 2019 14:48:51 GMT
I like the way that they describe all the improvements it brings but offer no explanation as to how it actually achieves them. That's because it does absolutely F#ck-all. Wouldn’t blacking out the edge of a disc do either the same or better job? presumably no scattered light is better than a bevelled edge dispersing it? I’d feel a proper tit sitting in a pile of dust and flakes, adding bevelled edges to my CD collection. If it floats someone’s boat, good for them. These days if it doesn’t make the sort of difference I’d immediately notice without being told a change had happened, I’m not interested. If the music sounds great, I forget about the system. No, because there is just no issue with the laser reading the disc. It's not like a tonearm/stylus tracking a vinyl record. There is no room for improvement in the process. It's either 100% perfect or it fails completely.
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Post by sq225917 on Sept 26, 2019 14:52:56 GMT
The CD lathe trims the outside edge to be perfectly concentric with the centre hole. Assuming the centre hole is concentric with the data spiral it can improve the balance and reduce vibrations in the transport. The optic still has to track the data spiral though, it has no effect on that. But it can reduce a single source of vibration that may modulate anything attached to the optics.
Essentially it can reduce vibrations that exist at the speed of the cd's varying rpm, which is 200-500 rpm. It places the motor under less load, reduces load on spindle bearings, reduces noise in the player and removes a potential source of non correlated frequency modulation.
Generally it does f-ck all to the sound with any decent disk and transport. An off centre data spiral and centre hole is much more problematic and it does absolutely sfa to help this.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 26, 2019 15:45:48 GMT
A bloke who fixes my kit, a rather eccentric Serbian, told me to always keep a disc in the CDP, keeps the dust off the laser, makes sense and what harm can it do. I do that out of laziness and often wondered if I was doing harm lol.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 16:28:27 GMT
lol, this has to be the craziest thing I have seen.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 26, 2019 16:29:33 GMT
It’s a pity Rega don’t make one. They could call it a Rega “Planer” lol.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 16:31:11 GMT
It’s a pity Rega don’t make one. They could call it a Rega “Planer” lol. hahahahahahahahahahah that's fucking hilarious!!!
I really would have to buy one then
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 26, 2019 16:35:05 GMT
Can you imagine telling your mates you paid 500 notes for a second hand lather to refine the edges of your CDs. You’d have the piss taken for life......if they ever believed you.
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Post by antonio on Sept 26, 2019 17:25:51 GMT
Don't buy one. I read after cutting it can loosen the top layer were the music is stored. I have read good reports about that Nespa thingy, that flashes a light on the cd. Don't know how it works though.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 26, 2019 17:33:17 GMT
Don't buy one. I read after cutting it can loosen the top layer were the music is stored. I have read good reports about that Nespa thingy, that flashes a light on the cd. Don't know how it works though. Ouch! The top,layer really is thin and fragile, so it makes sense.
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Post by macca on Sept 26, 2019 17:55:12 GMT
Don't buy one. I read after cutting it can loosen the top layer were the music is stored. I have read good reports about that Nespa thingy, that flashes a light on the cd. Don't know how it works though. By the power of suggestion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 18:22:24 GMT
Don't buy one. I read after cutting it can loosen the top layer were the music is stored. I have read good reports about that Nespa thingy, that flashes a light on the cd. Don't know how it works though. By the power of suggestion.Good stuff that. Worked wonders for fancy mains cables and grounding boxes.
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Post by sq225917 on Sept 27, 2019 17:22:08 GMT
If you trim to much it can expose the sputtered aluminium layer which can oxide. Remember those rusty 80s CDs?
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Post by macca on Sept 27, 2019 17:48:15 GMT
If you trim to much it can expose the sputtered aluminium layer which can oxide. Remember those rusty 80s CDs? It's not he most stupid pointless tweak ever but it is close and there's a lot of competition. I just don't understand who buys this Sh#t. If you want better sound buy better equipment. Why waste your money on something like this instead? I mean they weren't cheap. Just makes no sense.
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Post by sq225917 on Sept 27, 2019 19:18:43 GMT
If you have an old cd player with aging servo and poor isolation of the rails between optics and data servo board I can see a reason for it with poorly centred cd's. Maybe 1 in 100 discs.
I had one on demo, it definitely reduced servo shake on some CDs and make the mech physically quieter. Dunno if it sounded better out of the speakers, but it fixed an issue, perhaps a trivial one.
I would buy one if they were a 100 notes. Just to ease the neurosis
But yeh, all that sort of stuff is bollocks, cd and vinyl demag units, led spiny things, green pens, all bollocks.
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Post by macca on Sept 27, 2019 21:23:35 GMT
I've got a fair collection of Cd players but the only one with a noisy transport is a blu ray player. Which I never use anyway.
I've found that since I sorted the amplification and the speakers all of my players sound very good, even the ones from the 1980s. No hash, no grain, no glare. They didn't sound like that through my systems of yesteryear though. They sounded distinctly unimpressive and vinyl ruled.
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