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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 16:25:37 GMT
Just like Wesite I've owned a few Exposure X over the years. It is such a quirky little amp. Out of all the Exposure integrated amps, the X has the loudest switch on thump. And is pretty sensitive to placement as well.
But when you get the X working it can sound very musical. Don't let 30w fool you, this thing can kick the football hard and smash many windows.
Every now and then I get the urge to play with another X.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 30, 2019 16:32:46 GMT
Definitely a “hall of Famer” afaic. So much fun to listen to that you forget it’s humble status. I keep promising to keep one but I usually end up clerajng space, maybe aN X or Super XV will end up staying.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 16:34:38 GMT
To your ears, Westie. Does the X resemble the sound of the Nait 1?
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 30, 2019 16:40:52 GMT
To your ears, Westie. Does the X resemble the sound of the Nait 1? S. Not really. It’s bigger boned. Probably a bit less sprightly at the top, but way more muscular in the bass.
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Post by dsjr on Aug 30, 2019 16:43:33 GMT
Oh ffs. That amp was a total pile of harsh sounding cack from thirty years ago in my experience and you only have to listen to the later versions (XV and XX) to hear why!
I heard today that Exposure has come home to the UK (ownership unless I'm not mistaken) and the stuff today is fully competitive again. let's hope there's a HiFi market left to suppport them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 16:47:38 GMT
Oh ffs. That amp was a total pile of harsh sounding cack from thirty years ago in my experience and you only have to listen to the later versions (XV and XX) to hear why! I heard today that Exposure has come home to the UK (ownership unless I'm not mistaken) and the stuff today is fully competitive again. let's hope there's a HiFi market left to suppport them. Hush yer mouth! S.
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Post by dsjr on Aug 30, 2019 16:58:58 GMT
Just let my depression work itself out Shane. Then I may be able to leave you all alone If what I overheard about Exposure is true though, it'd be good to see it come back home, wouldn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 17:02:42 GMT
I get very moody/grumpy sometimes, Dave. Sorry to hear about the depression. Hi-Fi is a good cope, works for me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 19:23:55 GMT
Getting Moody/Grumpy SOME TIMES is not Depression
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 19:38:06 GMT
Of course it's not!
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 30, 2019 20:27:03 GMT
I’d say it’s pretty normal and I’d be more worried about folk who don’t get moody or grumpy sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 20:29:55 GMT
Im the most moody git on earth so the wife says.. Either up or down, no in between.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 30, 2019 20:36:02 GMT
Just let my depression work itself out Shane. Then I may be able to leave you all alone If what I overheard about Exposure is true though, it'd be good to see it come back home, wouldn't it? Agreed. I know Shane likes the sound of the newer stuff but it holds no attraction for me. It’s not the real deal: Just another pretender using a name in order to sell. Exposure ended with JF for me. That doesn’t mean it can’t be any good, just that I think products should stand on their own merits, not put on old clothes. I’m even more averse to products that hide under the name of a classic, when they are nothing to do with it. If it’s s new item, give it a new name. Naim Nait, I’m looking at you
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 20:41:57 GMT
Im the most moody git on earth so the wife says.. Either up or down, no in between. I don't have moods. Just generally indifferent to most things these days.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 5:43:51 GMT
Personally I prefer the new exposure stuff, mind you I would say that as most of my system is ONIX , what have you heard about exposure moving, I know they have a factory in Brighton, and in Malaysia
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Post by dsjr on Aug 31, 2019 9:37:52 GMT
Just hearsay, as Exposure hasn't registered for me since the Kevin Edwards designed? early noughties stuff which actually did to me look and sound a bit like the talk Electronics gear.
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Post by pauld on Aug 31, 2019 12:12:42 GMT
Oh ffs. That amp was a total pile of harsh sounding cack from thirty years ago in my experience and you only have to listen to the later versions (XV and XX) to hear why! I heard today that Exposure has come home to the UK (ownership unless I'm not mistaken) and the stuff today is fully competitive again. let's hope there's a HiFi market left to suppport them. That’s kinda rich from someone that likes Naim kit, Dave, LOL. Exposure have always made way more musical and warm sounding kit than Naim.
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Post by dsjr on Aug 31, 2019 12:40:01 GMT
Not after they went into integrateds they didn't!
Me liking Naim? I respect their current range as it's more stable and immune to numpty owners shorting the outputs than ever I believe, but the prices asked are mad to me (people buy into it still so maybe I'm the mad one) and the sound is still rather up-front and band limited in the smaller models (mid bass to mid 'treble' with no breathing very low down and still a bit 'grey and grainy in the very highs, often masked with tinselly tweeters in chosen speaker brands to go with them imo).
I report what I hear and remember. The XV and XX weren't quite like the X either. I also remember the JF separates having very unpleasantly (for me at the time) noisy MC phono inputs and a very warm tinged sound polar opposite to CB Naim - maybe the JF Exposures were actually more correct and the Naims totally wrong, it's so long ago now and things have moved on.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 19:09:30 GMT
I’d say it’s pretty normal and I’d be more worried about folk who don’t get moody or grumpy sometimes. I'm always happy now I don't have to work for a living. Even when I worked I was annoying cheerful most of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 21:51:45 GMT
Im constantly grumpy cos im constantly short of money although i work hard. Having choices dictated to you by lack of money is utterly Sh#t.
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Post by antonio on Sept 2, 2019 4:54:37 GMT
Where's me violin.
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Post by pauld on Sept 2, 2019 11:00:04 GMT
Not after they went into integrateds they didn't! Me liking Naim? I respect their current range as it's more stable and immune to numpty owners shorting the outputs than ever I believe, but the prices asked are mad to me (people buy into it still so maybe I'm the mad one) and the sound is still rather up-front and band limited in the smaller models (mid bass to mid 'treble' with no breathing very low down and still a bit 'grey and grainy in the very highs, often masked with tinselly tweeters in chosen speaker brands to go with them imo). I report what I hear and remember. The XV and XX weren't quite like the X either. I also remember the JF separates having very unpleasantly (for me at the time) noisy MC phono inputs and a very warm tinged sound polar opposite to CB Naim - maybe the JF Exposures were actually more correct and the Naims totally wrong, it's so long ago now and things have moved on. Naim built their reputations on excellent customer service and superb marketing more so than on good sounding kit I would argue, not that I am say that their kit is especially bad. They are however scaring away a number of their more die hard customers and Hifi dealers since being bought by Focal and then the Financial Capital organisation as their customer service is nothing like it once was. They have also scared away the majority of their more skilled and experienced employees because they brought in someone (who has since been pushed) that wasn't great, so I could see them either going to the wolfs or becoming a lifestyle hifi organisation in the future. The classic (black) range of kit is much more stable and relaxed sounding than any of their CB or Olive range was, but when compared with other brands they still sound very top heavy with limited sound-stage and bandwidth. For me Exposure, whilst regular compared with Naim, where always in a different league. The X destroyed the Nait which was it's natural competitor and the pre-power combo's were always better than their equivalent Naim kit too IMHO. The thing was that Exposure just didn't have or necessarily want to have the marketing skills that Naim employed.
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Post by macca on Sept 2, 2019 11:27:36 GMT
I think Naim did offer something different and appealing with their original range although I'm not old enough to have been around 'at the time' myself.
Certainly I get the impression that they always had a much bigger marketing budget than Exposure. But I don't think that's the whole story.
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Post by dsjr on Sept 2, 2019 12:21:51 GMT
I think I can say *today* that Naim's reproduction quality is in a different and far more subtle plane than anything they made certainly up until 2001 or so. It's still a bit up-front but the overly grey and 2-D approach has been all but banished I'd suggest. The 'new' Nait and Super Nait claim even more sonic improvements and also reintroduce a phono stage too, rather than the dac the original Super Nait had (all these middle aged to elderly buyers with large vinyl collections?)...
My local dealer has evolved into a confirmed Naim-centric store but in fairness, totally without the arrogance and attitude 'we/I' may have had in the 80's! They sell Levinson, Chord Electronics and the lovely (to me) good value Quad Artera stuff, but they're just boxes on show compared to the streaming systems they seem to specialise in these days (with the odd turntable added as necessary). Since the 'new' end user's contract is with the dealer that sold it to them, Naim deal with the dealer, not the end user.
Interestingly, Focal don't seem to have the loyalty of Naim. I thought the smaller Kanta's bland, but the larger ones were rather better to me, yet it seems Kudos have got their feet well and truly in the doors here (Cymbiosis too) with the Titan models, which have the same kind of brutish charm(?!) that Isobariks and Saras once had (hope that makes some sort of sense).
The Exposure silver fronted stuff *to me,* sounded more 'HiFi sharp' than the JF stuff, which was limited more by the preamps I think it now appears. I'm actually surprised they're still around frankly, in the same way as Roksan, but maybe they got into Sevenoaks, I don't know (a number of Sevenoaks franchise shops I used to know of have now closed down.
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Post by macca on Sept 2, 2019 12:34:34 GMT
I had a listen to one of the silver Exposure integrateds into Elac standmount speakers. Totally underwhelming, sounded no different from a zillion other mediocre amps, many of which are much cheaper. Source was the matching Exposure CD player.
Not heard any of the older stuff as far as I can recall.
Never heard the infamous Naim/Focal combo either but I do wonder if all the objections to that particular sound that you read are because the speakers are too good for the amplification?
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Post by pauld on Sept 2, 2019 13:50:58 GMT
I have heard and quite liked the 3020 pre/power and pre mono range, but when compared with my then Exposure XVII/XVIII I didn't think it was better. Although better than everything up to the 282/SC/250 Naim kit when compared.
That is why I liked the Belles so much, it was in a different league to my previous Exposure pre/power combo, but cheaper than buying the Exposure pre/power or pre/mono kit. I have compared the Belles with a Naim 252/SC/250 combo and it made the Naim sound brittle, unmusical, uninspiring and weak in virtually all ways.
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Post by pauld on Sept 2, 2019 13:54:01 GMT
You are right about Focal, they don't have the same reputation as the Naim kit, but then they don't have the history (in the UK) either. A lot of die hard Naimies prefer Naim speakers (god knows why!) so have taken affront to the Naim/Focal combo.
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Post by dsjr on Sept 2, 2019 14:24:05 GMT
When i went out on the road for a (looking back) disastrous two years back in 2000-2002, one or two then medium sized Naim dealers recommended Focal highly, from the special cone material they still seem to use in their better models, to the then well known inverted dome tweeter I first got to properly know in the much loved Impulse H2's (I think Jimmy's had the gold dome although now it's grey like the bass-mid drivers). I keep forgetting the exact models, but I remember the £1200 ish stand mounters either having a piercing hf (beloved of the 'continentals back then and French speakers in particular) and with port bungs removed, a boomy bass. The dealers selling these used to leave the bungs in but place the speakers tight to the back wall a la Linn and they seemed to sell well demonstrated this way. I never heard the floor standers Macca has (or you Paul) but did hear an early huge Utopia model, which made the musicians sound as if they were playing a couple of streets away - ugh...
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Post by pauld on Sept 2, 2019 14:43:52 GMT
Focal's are great if partnered correctly. Whilst assumed they are an easy load, certainly the Electra range and especially the Utopia range are not at all. They need a lot of grunt (not wattage) to get them to sing properly, however I may be looking for alternatives soon for other reasons, namely a 2 year old son!
The latest Aria, Kanta and Sopra ranges have been re-voiced with Naim kit I believe and sound very different to the classic ranges, like Utopia, Electra etc.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 15:24:29 GMT
Where's me violin. At least i do a weeks work
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