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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 17:32:33 GMT
Perhaps It's just placebo effect. But I stand by my opinion after trying many other speaker cables. Most of you will laugh at me, well fine, be my guest. I like the Van Damme Hi-Fi LCOFC. The capacitance is low etc, and can safely be used with old Exposure/Naim amps. You get three choices of thickness - 2.5mm, 4mm & 6mm. Great cables for the money. You can get the same cables cheaper from other vendors. But Mark Grant does a fab job soldering the connections. Please remember this is just my opinion. YMMV! S. www.markgrantcables.co.uk/uk/speaker-cables/terminated-cables/van-damme-2-x-6mm-hi-fi-speaker-cable-up-lcofc-terminated/
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Post by karma67 on Aug 24, 2019 17:41:57 GMT
Perhaps It's just placebo effect. But I stand by my opinion after trying many other speaker cables. Most of you will laugh at me, well fine, be my guest. I like the Van Damme Hi-Fi LCOFC. The capacitance is low etc, and can safely be used with old Exposure/Naim amps. You get three choices of thickness - 2.5mm, 4mm & 6mm. Great cables for the money. You can get the same cables cheaper from other vendors. But Mark Grant does a fab job soldering the connections. Please remember this is just my opinion. YMMV! S. www.markgrantcables.co.uk/uk/speaker-cables/terminated-cables/van-damme-2-x-6mm-hi-fi-speaker-cable-up-lcofc-terminated/how long have you been using it shane?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 17:44:10 GMT
I should be more detailed with myself. I'm not using it at the moment. I was using the 6mm version a couple years ago. Should have just kept it.
But I'm aiming to buy the 4mm version soon.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 24, 2019 17:54:34 GMT
I’ve never used it but I’d expect to like it given the thickness, low capacitance, construction and purity. The cables I use have been so much better than anything else I’ve given up trying others. If I see some used stuff going cheap I’d like to try it though.
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Post by nonuffin on Aug 24, 2019 18:12:48 GMT
The UP-LCOFC royally piddled all over the Blue when I reviewed it a couple of years ago for Hifi Pig.
Bass was hugely better as was overall clarity.
My own "best ever" speaker cable was TQ Ultra Black which I would love to own.
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Post by karma67 on Aug 24, 2019 18:41:42 GMT
The UP-LCOFC royally piddled all over the Blue when I reviewed it a couple of years ago for Hifi Pig. Bass was hugely better as was overall clarity. My own "best ever" speaker cable was TQ Ultra Black which I would love to own. did they have to wait long for your review?
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Post by nonuffin on Aug 24, 2019 18:50:46 GMT
The UP-LCOFC royally piddled all over the Blue when I reviewed it a couple of years ago for Hifi Pig. Bass was hugely better as was overall clarity. My own "best ever" speaker cable was TQ Ultra Black which I would love to own. did they have to wait long for your review? No, because I didn't have a poorly missus back then
Mind you I'm none too good myself with chest pains the past few days
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Post by karma67 on Aug 24, 2019 19:24:59 GMT
did they have to wait long for your review? No, because I didn't have a poorly missus back then
Mind you I'm none too good myself with chest pains the past few days
its ok,the superb review (way it was wriiten) by adrian is a tough act to follow.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 19:43:34 GMT
Very happy with my speaker cables.
They are big, difficult to manoeuvre and look like snakes are crossing my front room but they sound better than anything else I've tried, including some very expensive Chord Cables, TQ cables (green & blue) and a few other DIY attempts I made before using this cable for my Spotfire Speaker cable.
A couple of guys here use it too. They seem happy lol
Have VD Blue in my second system and I really don't like it. Toppy in my opinion, but whatever works for you!
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Post by nonuffin on Aug 24, 2019 19:47:52 GMT
No, because I didn't have a poorly missus back then
Mind you I'm none too good myself with chest pains the past few days
its ok,the superb review (way it was wriiten) by adrian is a tough act to follow. Adrian's review is beatifully structured I must admit.
I will write my views when I don't have so much on my plate Jamie.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 22:13:21 GMT
Surely the best speaker cable is the same as that inside your speakers? Anything else is just superfluous?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 22:31:19 GMT
Surely the best speaker cable is the same as that inside your speakers? Anything else is just superfluous? If the internal wiring of a speaker was the determining factor, then surely changing the external speaker cable would have no audible effect? When in fact it does. That's not to say that upgrading internal wiring is a bad idea though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 22:35:07 GMT
Surely the best speaker cable is the same as that inside your speakers? Anything else is just superfluous? If the internal wiring of a speaker was the determining factor, then surely changing the external speaker cable would have no audible effect? When in fact it does. That's not to say that upgrading internal wiring is a bad idea though. Does it? Of all the speaker cable I have tried, there has not been a massive difference.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 22:39:10 GMT
If the internal wiring of a speaker was the determining factor, then surely changing the external speaker cable would have no audible effect? When in fact it does. That's not to say that upgrading internal wiring is a bad idea though. Does it? Of all the speaker cable I have tried, there has not been a massive difference. Speaker cables vary as much in effect as interconnects. Try some QED Silver Anniversary, that'll give you a nasty shock, it's horrible.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 22:39:13 GMT
Go active, people.
You know it makes sense.
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Post by karma67 on Aug 25, 2019 2:22:40 GMT
Surely the best speaker cable is the same as that inside your speakers? Anything else is just superfluous? if that is the logic,why not apply it to mains leads,interconnects etc?
on the flip side it could equally be said its a bottle neck?
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Post by karma67 on Aug 25, 2019 3:01:25 GMT
its ok,the superb review (way it was wriiten) by adrian is a tough act to follow. Adrian's review is beatifully structured I must admit.
I will write my views when I don't have so much on my plate Jamie.
there is really no point now as ive asked for the cables to be returned to me.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 25, 2019 7:39:43 GMT
Surely the best speaker cable is the same as that inside your speakers? Anything else is just superfluous? if that is the logic,why not apply it to mains leads,interconnects etc?
on the flip side it could equally be said its a bottle neck? I’d say the best cable SHOULD be inside your speakers. My Spicas Weill be reworked with my fave cable.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 25, 2019 7:43:43 GMT
If the internal wiring of a speaker was the determining factor, then surely changing the external speaker cable would have no audible effect? When in fact it does. That's not to say that upgrading internal wiring is a bad idea though. Does it? Of all the speaker cable I have tried, there has not been a massive difference. IMEthe partnering equipment can be a big factor. I’m in no way suggesting the partnering gear is either better or worse if there are or aren’t differences with cables, because I don’t know. All I’m saying is that it appears to be gear dependent. Maybe some people are more sensitive to the sort of changes speaker cable makes. For me it’s often made a bigger difference than changing amps.
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Post by karma67 on Aug 25, 2019 8:06:48 GMT
Adrian's review is beatifully structured I must admit.
I will write my views when I don't have so much on my plate Jamie.
there is really no point now as ive asked for the cables to be returned to me.
yep i agree,when ive done a full recap job before ive always change the internal wire,to be honest ive never had that night and day difference that people profess.
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Post by macca on Aug 25, 2019 10:32:52 GMT
Surely the best speaker cable is the same as that inside your speakers? Anything else is just superfluous? if that is the logic,why not apply it to mains leads,interconnects etc?
on the flip side it could equally be said its a bottle neck?
Interconnects are passing a much lower level signal and mains cables are not in the signal path at all. You can get weird effects from cables so it isn't all bollox. The combination of the Spotfire interconnects and NVA LS5 speaker cable gives a weird distortion effect in the bass. That was true both on my set-up and Ollies. If that can happen as a result of cables then there's no doubt that something is going on beyond what the textbook says. But I'd agree most of the time swapping cables has either no effect or a very slight one.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 11:31:23 GMT
You can't really draw a definite from 2 instances - which could be purely coincidental.
To come to any genuine meaningful appraisal, you would need to draw from a far greater data base.
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Post by dsjr on Aug 25, 2019 12:01:23 GMT
The UP-LCOFC royally piddled all over the Blue when I reviewed it a couple of years ago for Hifi Pig. Bass was hugely better as was overall clarity. My own "best ever" speaker cable was TQ Ultra Black which I would love to own. Dunno about Ultra Black, but Ultra high inductance to slug the hf is more like it I suspect... Take off hf brilliance and you*sometimes/often* hear it as better or meatier bass. Kimber tended to do the opposite with some of their lower cables, the extra ringing up top due to the high capacitance made the bass sound leaner to us.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 25, 2019 13:26:29 GMT
The UP-LCOFC royally piddled all over the Blue when I reviewed it a couple of years ago for Hifi Pig. Bass was hugely better as was overall clarity. My own "best ever" speaker cable was TQ Ultra Black which I would love to own. Dunno about Ultra Black, but Ultra high inductance to slug the hf is more like it I suspect... Take off hf brilliance and you*sometimes/often* hear it as better or meatier bass. Kimber tended to do the opposite with some of their lower cables, the extra ringing up top due to the high capacitance made the bass sound leaner to us. Interesting, I recall you saying this before and it’s always put me off TQ. I like my highs. From what I read, your observation would appear correct.
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Post by dsjr on Aug 25, 2019 13:39:18 GMT
All users of deluxe TQ cables rave about the bass, so hopefully I'm not wrong. I'm sure it'snot like some of the VDH 'carbon' cables that seemed to level out the highs so much all the 'expression' went away - to be fair,m my recollection of The Wind speaker cables weren't like that, but some of the carbon based interconnects definitely blanded it all out to me.
i always had reservations about mega-strand cables like that particular Van Damme one BUT... I was stunned how sensibly good the Linn K10 was and it's a 2,5mm mega-strand (from the far east?) in a fig-8 form and the generic type has a red stripe along one conductor for polarity. It seems to be copper rather then copper plated and you could seriously use it with anything! the mark Grant VD cable appears to be similar but with a web between to add a 'little' inductance (I do wish I knew how these cable constructions actually and objectively affect an amp's performance, but I don't). Maybe a fully stable amp that's not been hobbled to be safe into any load is immune?
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Post by karma67 on Aug 25, 2019 13:49:13 GMT
dave did you ever hear the infamous polk audio cobra cable aka the amp killer? lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 13:49:56 GMT
I'm sticking with my Transparent Audio 'Musichord'.
I have two sets, 3.0m and 5.0m and if I recall, they stand me in at around £200. They sound as good or better than any other speaker cables I've tried and that's a lot.
It's not hefty stuff and could pass as strimmer cable, making it easy to route and move about. I will not be parting with these.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 14:17:59 GMT
A large dollop (the majority) of speaker cable effects, could be bypassed by extending the feedback loop outside the amp to the speaker terminals, incorporating the cables into the feedback loop. DNM amps offer it/used to. Stan Curtis originally offered it on Mission's statement pre/power amp, when launched - in the US (I think). The feature was subsequently dropped however, as it was seen to be too confusing for the public to use correctly. The only other manufacturer to offer it was either Aurex or Hitachi, I think. It was called either Sigma or Delta Drive and was a 4 wire system. Came out in the early 80s, I think. Come to think of it, Nad's replacement amp for the 3020 had a speaker cable compensation function. Can't remember now how that worked. It had another unusual feature but can't remember what it was either. 'Answers did a feature on it.
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Post by macca on Aug 25, 2019 14:18:26 GMT
(I do wish I knew how these cable constructions actually and objectively affect an amp's performance, but I don't). Maybe a fully stable amp that's not been hobbled to be safe into any load is immune? Nope because I hear speaker cable differences with both Krells. The KSA50s was not keen at all on Chord Odyssey 2. Although both seem to be fine with generic 79 strand with cheapo connectors.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 14:46:37 GMT
A large dollop (the majority) of speaker cable effects, could be bypassed by extending the feedback loop outside the amp to the speaker terminals, incorporating the cables into the feedback loop. DNM amps offer it/used to. Stan Curtis originally offered it on Mission's statement pre/power amp, when launched - in the US (I think). The feature was subsequently dropped however, as it was seen to be too confusing for the public to use correctly. The only other manufacturer to offer it was either Aurex or Hitachi, I think. It was called either Sigma or Delta Drive and was a 4 wire system. Came out in the early 80s, I think. Come to think of it, Nad's replacement amp for the 3020 had a speaker cable compensation function. Can't remember now how that worked. It had another unusual feature but can't remember what it was either. 'Answers did a feature on it. Soft clipping?
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