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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 19:20:04 GMT
Over the years in my experience I notice this problem clearly with cd players & amps. You see some of those nice looking classy amps costing £5k-30k, but when you take a look under the hood. Most of the parts are just of average tier.
Seeing expensive modern cd players using cheap plastic transports and parts etc, makes me fucking sick! The power of advertising!!
Makes my blood boil.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 16, 2019 19:36:29 GMT
Over the years in my experience I notice this problem clearly with cd players & amps. You see some of those nice looking classy amps costing £5k-30k, but when you take a look under the hood. Most of the parts are just of average tier. Seeing expensive modern cd players using cheap plastic transports and parts etc, makes me fucking sick! The power of advertising!! Makes my blood boil. S. Chord Red Reference was a prime example, but all Chord stuff looks incredibly poor value to me. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 16, 2019 19:38:19 GMT
 IIRC it was over £6k. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 19:41:09 GMT
Horrible looking piece of crap!
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Post by sq225917 on Jul 16, 2019 19:43:16 GMT
Big chord gear is all about the metalwork, probably because its mostly easy to build good sounding electronics, you need bling construction to sell it at top dollar.
That's why diy is so appealing. Build something on a slab of wood, if it works well add a case.
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Post by macca on Jul 16, 2019 21:55:25 GMT
IIRC it was over £6k. |
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Post by macca on Jul 16, 2019 21:57:18 GMT
It's like those places selling burgers for twenty quid. There's only so good a burger can be and it doesn't take twenty quid to get there.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 17, 2019 4:37:36 GMT
It's like those places selling burgers for twenty quid. There's only so good a burger can be and it doesn't take twenty quid to get there. I didn’t know such places existed. |
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Post by antonio on Jul 17, 2019 5:17:09 GMT
You must get out more Westie.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 17, 2019 6:16:00 GMT
I wouldn’t lay that fir a meal, let alone a burger  . Restaurants in the uk are a rip off. Can’t see why folk do t just cook heir own food and buy some drinks from Aldi. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 7:33:15 GMT
I wouldn’t lay that fir a meal, let alone a burger . Restaurants in the uk are a rip off. Can’t see why folk do t just cook heir own food and buy some drinks from Aldi. I don't eat out or order takeaways. I enjoy my own cooking and tend not to want to eat food prepared by others, as my hygiene standards are high. Having worked with the local council environmental health department and been involved in 'raids' on eating establishments, I'm put off eating in them. I've seen some disgusting stuff, especially in Indian restaurant kitchens. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 17, 2019 7:35:00 GMT
I wouldn’t lay that fir a meal, let alone a burger . Restaurants in the uk are a rip off. Can’t see why folk do t just cook heir own food and buy some drinks from Aldi. I don't eat out or order takeaways. I enjoy my own cooking and tend not to want to eat food prepared by others, as my hygiene standards are high. Having worked with the local council environmental health department and been involved in 'raids' on eating establishments, I'm put off eating in them. I've seen some disgusting stuff, especially in Indian restaurant kitchens. I’m screenshotting this for the next time my wife or family want me to go for a meal  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 7:59:30 GMT
I don't eat out or order takeaways. I enjoy my own cooking and tend not to want to eat food prepared by others, as my hygiene standards are high. Having worked with the local council environmental health department and been involved in 'raids' on eating establishments, I'm put off eating in them. I've seen some disgusting stuff, especially in Indian restaurant kitchens. I’m screenshotting this for the next time my wife or family want me to go for a meal I'm fussy. I even wash my hands before making a cuppa. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 10:19:46 GMT
I’m screenshotting this for the next time my wife or family want me to go for a meal I'm fussy. I even wash my hands before making a cuppa. Blimey! It's not like your hands are going anywhere near your mouth. Do you sterilise your mugs? I rarely eat out, but that's mainly, indeed wholly, because I'm a cheapskate. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 17, 2019 10:29:33 GMT
I'm fussy. I even wash my hands before making a cuppa. Blimey! It's not like your hands are going anywhere near your mouth. Do you sterilise your mugs? I rarely eat out, but that's mainly, indeed wholly, because I'm a cheapskate. Well now you have a perfect excuse  |
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Post by antonio on Jul 17, 2019 17:21:43 GMT
I wouldn’t lay that fir a meal, let alone a burger . Restaurants in the uk are a rip off. Can’t see why folk do t just cook heir own food and buy some drinks from Aldi. I don't eat out or order takeaways. I enjoy my own cooking and tend not to want to eat food prepared by others, as my hygiene standards are high. Having worked with the local council environmental health department and been involved in 'raids' on eating establishments, I'm put off eating in them. I've seen some disgusting stuff, especially in Indian restaurant kitchens. What the eye doesn't see the heart doesn't grieve over. I love going out for a meal, in fact we went to a well regarded Fish & Chip restaurant in Cleethorpes last night. The meal was delicious, including bread and butter and a pot of tea £22 for 2. We will probably go for a carvery lunch tomorrow £6.49 each, you can't do it yourself for that. |
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Post by macca on Jul 17, 2019 17:36:38 GMT
Diminishing returns - it s true. The way I look at it is when you are young and poor you flog your midi system and buy cheap separates, which will give you 80-90 percent of the best possiblle (with sensible purchases). So you get addicted young and can't do without hearing your music on a 'proper stereo.'
Then you get older and hopefully have a few more quid and you start pushing it to see how far you can go with that last 20%. It's only little gains now, a couple of percent at a time, but it still gives you something to aim at and it's fun. Well, usually.
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Post by antonio on Jul 17, 2019 17:47:17 GMT
I thought every hifi hobbyist knew the rule of diminishing returns. The more you spend the more you're going to have to spend to get any improvement.
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Post by macca on Jul 17, 2019 17:55:16 GMT
Since at some point the only true gains left to be had are going to be from upgrading the speakers, and considering what really serious speakers cost, you're probably right there.
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Post by antonio on Jul 18, 2019 5:09:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 5:29:33 GMT
What a con! Those drive units look cheap ''off the shelf'' tier. S. |
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Post by antonio on Jul 18, 2019 8:29:10 GMT
I don't think they are Shane, I've heard them a couple of times, fantastic speakers unlike Magico's.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 9:29:08 GMT
economics is a bitch. Cheap kit can be cheap, because it's cheap... so it'll sell in high quantities and all the fixed costs gets spread thinly. The more expensive stuff gets, typically the smaller the volumes sold, so those fixed costs get spread less thinly and the price is further increased. Until you make and sell 1 in which case it carries everything in it's price. So by definition, if you go from a £500 item to a £1000 item you aren't getting £500 more and it you go from a £500 to a £5000, you get even less of an increase
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Post by dsjr on Jul 18, 2019 10:28:41 GMT
Casework can be extremely expensive (if batches are made well away from China) and if you're selling a boutique amp at eye-watering prices, it has to look the part. Tarting up a Croft would likely more than double the price where Glenn would rather your money going on the innards where it really counts.
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Post by macca on Jul 18, 2019 11:13:34 GMT
I don't think they are Shane, I've heard them a couple of times, fantastic speakers unlike Magico's. Not what I had in mind at all. They might sound good but 25K for a little two way passive floorstander?
Just absurd - you could have a couple of pairs of JBL 4365 for that and still have a few grand in change. And I can guarantee the JBLs would demolish them, make them sound like toys.
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Post by antonio on Jul 18, 2019 13:41:24 GMT
I haven't heard a JBL speaker in domestic conditions, only at shows, great for rock, lacking on female vocal was my impression. Each to his own, it would be a boring world if everyone licked the same.
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Post by dsjr on Jul 18, 2019 14:01:54 GMT
The 4367 is rather different from what you'd imagine, a bit like the old L65 Jubal in comparison with the original and severely squawky L100 in all it's original pro versions... Sure the 4367 gives a 'big' vocal presence, but it's so enticing and draws you quickly into the music with consumate ease. Bass, even with them sat on the floor, is pure and deep with NO 'BBC-style Boom' whatsoever. Apparently they may be better in smaller rooms if off the floor a bit, but they're delightful in a way that only decent BIG speakers can be. And some of you question why I dislike LS3/5A's, Cubettes and Kans so much? Do leave off...  Apparently the active-passive k2's are something else again, but I've not heard these but there should be a chance of hearing the totally updated and reimagined L100mk2's next week with luck and this I'm hugely looking forward to  |
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Post by macca on Jul 18, 2019 15:32:10 GMT
I haven't heard a JBL speaker in domestic conditions, only at shows, great for rock, lacking on female vocal was my impression. Each to his own, it would be a boring world if everyone licked the same. Personal taste in the sound of speakers apart, if you look at the capability of the JBL and the value for money in terms of the cost of drivers and cabs, there is no comparison. You would expect the JBL to be £25k retail and the YBA to be £10K retail , not the other way around.
I suppose JBL sell a lot more speakers than YBA so there is some economy of scale. But looking at the spec I wouldn't expect the YBA to outperform the JM Labs I already have. And they are 'only' £5K for the latest version.
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Post by antonio on Jul 18, 2019 16:07:19 GMT
My brother owned Focal Mezzo Utopia's for more than 10 years, a fantastic speaker and I would think a step up from yours. The YG's would be better than them and I believe a lot of the cost goes into the cabinet. I really don't know the cost of the drivers and £27k is over the top since 1 year ago they were £20k.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 16:10:16 GMT
it would be a boring world if everyone licked the same. Hey, you're not licking mine |
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