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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 14:46:05 GMT
Yes beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder. Not keen on its looks, i find the 1210 nicer. I haven’t seen a Pioneer deck I like. PL71 is one ugly mother too. Vile looking thing. One man's creepy ugly PL-71 is another man's funky old looking thing!  S. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 15:32:06 GMT
THAT.......IS POETRY SHANE.
It should be written high........like a caveman statement in chalk.
"One man's creepy ugly PL-71 is another man's funky old looking thing"
Arty clark.......aint got a blinking look in.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 7, 2019 17:43:33 GMT
I haven’t seen a Pioneer deck I like. PL71 is one ugly mother too. Vile looking thing. One man's creepy ugly PL-71 is another man's funky old looking thing! S. “Creepy ugly PL-71” is a great name! |
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 7, 2019 17:45:23 GMT
View AttachmentTorque Monster. who needs Idler drive. Western Electric 2A 1926 Well if the PL71 is “creepy Ugly” I dunno where to go with that one! |
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Post by macca on Mar 7, 2019 17:57:00 GMT
The PL71 is probably the most 1970s looking deck you can get that's actually any good. So if you have a 1970s fetish and demand decent sound quality...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 18:15:34 GMT
Nope its Sh#t macca........
It is betwixt and between.
Wood....or.....metalic.
Mish mash smash........Unlike the Bay City Rollers.
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Post by dsjr on Mar 7, 2019 18:35:37 GMT
At least the plinth is solid inside and not like an open resonant box. The motor is able to take a 4g tracking cartridge like an SPU too. Something many from its time couldn't do without severe speed/servo hunting and it came with a damned good tonearm of its type as well. The top techies of the period used to feed back (howl) very easily although I could probably fix that now... You lot will be pleased to know it was only available for a season or so and soon disappeared.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 18:49:38 GMT
Dave........Pill........ chill. Do you actually fukoliy dance, donyou still shag, does music still moove ya......i wont correct me spelling for fear of getting booted for upsetting the complaining norms........Aye you know. You still play music bud......!!!!! Or just pretend whilst wanking over next cart speed / weight bollox |
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Post by dsjr on Mar 7, 2019 19:03:22 GMT
Pardon?
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 7, 2019 19:03:23 GMT
It does appear decently constructed but if that arm has as much in common with the Rega R200 as it appears to, then it’s another black mark against it AFAIC. RB300 wasn’t a great arm but I’ve replaced a few R200s with RB300s and heard the new one leave the old on for dead. Those old arms are also fugly too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 19:07:09 GMT
It does appear decently constructed but if that arm has as much in common with the Rega R200 as it appears to, then it’s another black mark against it AFAIC. RB300 wasn’t a great arm but I’ve replaced a few R200s with RB300s and heard the new one leave the old on for dead. Those old arms are also fugly too. I think they look lovely. Jesus Christ, you have sky high standards! S. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 7, 2019 19:09:25 GMT
They are on a par with those old SMEs for me. In fact I think the SMEs look and sound worse tbh
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 7, 2019 19:13:13 GMT
Now that’s a nice looker AFAIC....  image uploadCould almost have a W#nk myself! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 19:18:23 GMT
Now that’s a nice looker AFAIC.... image uploadCould almost have a W#nk myself! You like shiny whores then  S. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 7, 2019 19:23:57 GMT
Now that’s a nice looker AFAIC.... image uploadCould almost have a W#nk myself! You like shiny whores then S. Would sit so well with my other kit. Hell it would do so much for the eyes I’d not need to. Even listen! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 19:36:45 GMT
Yes indeed Dave...... I thought i had better speak in gobbledygook......👹 For apparently there has been a lot of complaints to Westie and Biggy about my language. "Its just not Cricket, you know Jammy" Like a Girl guide Jamboree. |
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Post by dsjr on Mar 7, 2019 19:42:25 GMT
It does appear decently constructed but if that arm has as much in common with the Rega R200 as it appears to, then it’s another black mark against it AFAIC. RB300 wasn’t a great arm but I’ve replaced a few R200s with RB300s and heard the new one leave the old on for dead. Those old arms are also fugly too. 'Cough' - it depends on the cartridges and the deck they're fitted to. The RB300 and lesser toleranced 250 were less feedback prone on the Planar decks, but with the cartridges of the time could sound constricted. les W had one 'fix' in a long bolt from headshell down the length of the pipe and tensioned tight into the bearing end. My epiphany with this arm came in the Spacedeck's collet which also allowed VTA adjustments - this arm sang on this deck.
I still have a good working R200 here on the RP3 'Mule' I was basically given and it's not a happy match to this later plinth. It's a good sounding arm away from the Rega plinth but obviously hobbled by lack of VTA adjustment and I maintain that it's a good example of the conventional detachable shell type. The PL71 arm was a better toleranced version of this and I suspect the R200 was a parts bin cheaper and scaled down derivative of it.
To try to answer one of jammy's questions - I listen to music all the time and cannot exist without it!
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Post by dsjr on Mar 7, 2019 19:43:38 GMT
Yes indeed Dave...... I thought i had better speak in gobbledygook......👹 For apparently there has been a lot of complaints to Westie and Biggy about my language. "Its just not Cricket, you know Jammy" Like a Girl guide Jamboree. Not from me there hasn't!!!!!!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 19:44:17 GMT
I think most of the high end decks look over-complicated. Nice and simple for me (not my actual deck but its remarkably similar)  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 19:47:17 GMT
That deck may sing like an angel........ 🙏😇
But its so fuggin ugly, i wouldn't spit on it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 19:48:09 GMT
I have standards you know.... 🙊🙈🙉
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 22:34:55 GMT
How the Pioneer PL-590 can be viewed as horrible, is beyond me. Wouldn't say it's the best-looking deck ever, but it has more going for it than a 1210. I have a PL-630 which has the same spec as the 590. Not a fan of it's suspended platter. But it was £145 bargain. Stanton's STR8-150 looks better than the 1210. Pity about the arm:    |
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 11, 2019 8:30:13 GMT
Bought another Claymore for headphone duties. It also has handy Mm and Mc for one of the two decks I bought.......just in case I ever set them up Also bought a TPA3116 class D amp on Geoff’s reccy. Likely to do tv duties but will be tried in the main rig. |
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Post by pauld on Mar 11, 2019 13:02:35 GMT
I will have to try out a Claymore at some point, I am keen to hear one of Colin's designs at home.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 11, 2019 21:35:43 GMT
I will have to try out a Claymore at some point, I am keen to hear one of Colin's designs at home. There was a cheap EWA claymore on EBay yesterday |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 17:25:38 GMT
How's the system going, westie? What amp are you using at the moment?
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 14, 2019 18:34:20 GMT
How's the system going, westie? What amp are you using at the moment? S. My Sonneteer has easily seen off everything so the only map that will likely replace it is an Orton or another Campion to bi amp with again. I’m using the Spica TC-60s because they work bets in my room and really are as “Spica” as you can get in terms of character. Still using Sonneteer CD and DAC too. Two decks, a Xerxes and a Mantra are sat waiting to be set up. Might be a while. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 18:38:17 GMT
How's the system going, westie? What amp are you using at the moment? S. My Sonneteer has easily seen off everything so the only map that will likely replace it is an Orton or another Campion to bi amp with again. I’m using the Spica TC-60s because they work bets in my room and really are as “Spica” as you can get in terms of character. Still using Sonneteer CD and DAC too. Two decks, a Xerxes and a Mantra are sat waiting to be set up. Might be a while. Might be interesting to hear the Sonneteer up against the Creek Destiny 2, which is a fabulous sounding integrated. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 14, 2019 18:56:14 GMT
My Sonneteer has easily seen off everything so the only map that will likely replace it is an Orton or another Campion to bi amp with again. I’m using the Spica TC-60s because they work bets in my room and really are as “Spica” as you can get in terms of character. Still using Sonneteer CD and DAC too. Two decks, a Xerxes and a Mantra are sat waiting to be set up. Might be a while. Might be interesting to hear the Sonneteer up against the Creek Destiny 2, which is a fabulous sounding integrated. I haven’t heard a bad Creek product. Their older amps are stupidly cheap for the sound on offer. |
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