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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 6:30:11 GMT
Listening to some bleeding heart monkeys this morning saying we should let her back into Britain, cause she didn't know what she was doing and she's preggers and she's British and it's just not fair.
Mmmmmh🤔
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Post by sq225917 on Feb 19, 2019 7:44:18 GMT
She was a child when she left and on that basis alone I think we should let her back in- to face the full weight of the law for the crimes she committed, if she was an adult I would tell her to get to F#ck.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 9:03:16 GMT
If they let her back, they will set an unwanted precedent. She can't come back as she is no longer a British citizen. She lost that privilege when she joined a terrorist group.
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Post by pauld on Feb 19, 2019 9:41:57 GMT
I think they should let her in and then lock her up and throw away the key for at least 15-20 years, that way it will show that we don't just let terrorists get away with it.
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Post by savvypaul on Feb 19, 2019 9:48:32 GMT
Treat her by the rules of international law. That's (one of the things) that separates us from terrorists.
She can be interviewed and investigated upon return and prosecuted for any crimes she has committed as an adult.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 11:01:59 GMT
Treat her by the rules of international law. That's (one of the things) that separates us from terrorists. She can be interviewed and investigated upon return and prosecuted for any crimes she has committed as an adult. Why bother? She is unlikely to 'reform' and she'll be open to pressure from radicals here to reaffirm her earlier ways. |
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Post by savvypaul on Feb 19, 2019 11:11:20 GMT
Treat her by the rules of international law. That's (one of the things) that separates us from terrorists. She can be interviewed and investigated upon return and prosecuted for any crimes she has committed as an adult. Why bother? She is unlikely to 'reform' and she'll be open to pressure from radicals here to reaffirm her earlier ways. I refer you to the first line of my previous post...  If she stays in the middle east she will certainly be further radicalised and free to plan acts of terror. I appreciate the emotive logic of your proposal, though... |
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Post by nonuffin on Feb 19, 2019 11:26:30 GMT
The one and only reason she wants to return is because ISIS is just about finished in Syria, so her dreams of islamic glory have evaporated. I say that if ISIS had created their wished for calliphate then it would not even be up for discussion of any returning.
If there was even the tiniest spark of contrition in the woman and some form of apology then she might have found a sympathetic ear, but she has shown no remorse whatsoever and even says the UK bombings abd other acts of terrorism have all been "justified". On that basis the UK is justified in telling her to go elsewhere with her attitude.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 12:05:08 GMT
Why bother? She is unlikely to 'reform' and she'll be open to pressure from radicals here to reaffirm her earlier ways. I refer you to the first line of my previous post... If she stays in the middle east she will certainly be further radicalised and free to plan acts of terror.I appreciate the emotive logic of your proposal, though... Maybe, but 'over there' rather than here! |
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Post by macca on Feb 19, 2019 12:12:05 GMT
She can rot out there as far as I'm concerned. Amazing the things some people think are important.
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Post by savvypaul on Feb 19, 2019 12:24:54 GMT
I refer you to the first line of my previous post... If she stays in the middle east she will certainly be further radicalised and free to plan acts of terror.I appreciate the emotive logic of your proposal, though... Maybe, but 'over there' rather than here! Sadly, not necessarily. Many terrorist acts carried out in Western Europe were planned in the middle east. She may get involved in training Jihadists in the middle east. She would have much more freedom 'over there' than in a British jail. I have no sympathy for her, given her latest comments. The question is how to most effectively bring her to justice under international law. |
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Post by savvypaul on Feb 19, 2019 12:26:47 GMT
She can rot out there as far as I'm concerned. Amazing the things some people think are important. Yeah...you'd be amazed how much value many people in the wider world attach to the rule of international law. |
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Post by macca on Feb 19, 2019 13:04:03 GMT
What does international law have to do with it? Strip her of her British citizenship and then she's someone else's problem. Case closed.
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Post by macca on Feb 19, 2019 13:06:06 GMT
Maybe, but 'over there' rather than here! Sadly, not necessarily. Many terrorist acts carried out in Western Europe were planned in the middle east. She may get involved in training Jihadists in the middle east. Training them in what? How to get pregnant?
Or did I miss the bit where she's an expert in small arms and infantry tactics?
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Post by savvypaul on Feb 19, 2019 13:08:36 GMT
Sadly, not necessarily. Many terrorist acts carried out in Western Europe were planned in the middle east. She may get involved in training Jihadists in the middle east. Training them in what? How to get pregnant?
Or did I miss the bit where she's an expert in small arms and infantry tactics?
LOL. There might be a bit more to it than that, but I suspect we are not going to explore the nuances... |
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Post by savvypaul on Feb 19, 2019 13:10:16 GMT
What does international law have to do with it? Strip her of her British citizenship and then she's someone else's problem. Case closed. You cannot make someone stateless. That's just a fact...not an opinion. |
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Post by macca on Feb 19, 2019 13:30:15 GMT
I'd be happy to explore the nuances if I thought there were any.
Like I say we don't want her back and we don't need her back so what more is there to say? Is this really a complex ethical question?
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Post by macca on Feb 19, 2019 13:33:43 GMT
What does international law have to do with it? Strip her of her British citizenship and then she's someone else's problem. Case closed. You cannot make someone stateless. That's just a fact...not an opinion. Under UK law (regardless of international law) that is true, but she is eligible for Ethiopian citizenship.
In any case there's no issue in practical terms with just messing her about until she realises that she's not coming back here, passport or no passport.
Also international law is effectively unenforceable, as the French will tell you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 13:42:41 GMT
"The West" is infinitely more criminal than every terrorist group in the world combined! The atrocities carried out by especially USA in not just this but Korean war, Vietnam war etc etc make ISIS look like the women's guild! The fact that they were carried out to maintain their capitalist wealth, ideology and oil supplies and not in self defence or anything makes it 100 times worse IMHO!
There would be no ISIS if it wasn't for criminal western actions in invading Iraq etc etc and I'll hazard a guess that for every civilian in the UK killed by ISIS atrocity there would have been at least a hundred civilians killed by USA bomb strikes etc in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan. Obviously I don't condone either but I can absolutely understand why Muslims wanted revenge.
I do not hold with the sick idea that anything carried out by "our" forces or "western" forces is justified merely because they are "our" forces... One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
Peace and respect for one another around the world is what we need. John Lennon had the right idea.
We should let her back, under strict supervision and with deradicalisation (if required) and I'm not sure what crime she's committed by shagging a terrorist and living in a medieval type village in an ISIS held area... but if she has then she should go to jail. I can't believe I'm agreeing with Trump on anything but yes if we take back all the western ISIS fighters at least we know where they are and can watch them/prosecute them/deradicalise them.
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Post by macca on Feb 19, 2019 14:22:39 GMT
Or we could leave them all where they are and kill them with drone strikes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 14:43:03 GMT
Or we could leave them all where they are and kill them with drone strikes. I suggested something similar yesterday. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 15:13:33 GMT
I'm afraid arsehole comments like those above just make me say I hope you get caught up in any revenge taken by ISIS after their kids are killed in those drone strikes you wish for. All lives have equal value..
We need to make peace not war and it's 100% the fault of The West that the situation exists. Saddam Hussein, unpleasant as he was, was keeping a lid on the whole thing.
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Post by savvypaul on Feb 19, 2019 15:30:29 GMT
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Post by macca on Feb 19, 2019 16:16:25 GMT
I'm afraid arsehole comments like those above just make me say I hope you get caught up in any revenge taken by ISIS after their kids are killed in those drone strikes you wish for. All lives have equal value.. We need to make peace not war and it's 100% the fault of The West that the situation exists. Saddam Hussein, unpleasant as he was, was keeping a lid on the whole thing. Naïve.
Saddam was keeping a lid on it that's true (albeit he was doing it by killing people) -regrettably, for whatever reasons he decided to go off the reservation and could no longer be trusted to safeguard the world's second largest oil reserve for the West. Without the oil there would be much suffering in the West. Consequently he had to be removed.
What that has to do with ISIS murdering children at pop concerts is anyone's guess but the idea that that can in any way be justified is not one that I can accept. These people are mad dogs and there's only one thing you can do with a mad dog and that is to shoot it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:51:44 GMT
I'm afraid arsehole comments like those above just make me say I hope you get caught up in any revenge taken by ISIS after their kids are killed in those drone strikes you wish for. All lives have equal value.. We need to make peace not war and it's 100% the fault of The West that the situation exists. Saddam Hussein, unpleasant as he was, was keeping a lid on the whole thing. Naïve.
Saddam was keeping a lid on it that's true (albeit he was doing it by killing people) -regrettably, for whatever reasons he decided to go off the reservation and could no longer be trusted to safeguard the world's second largest oil reserve for the West. Without the oil there would be much suffering in the West. Consequently he had to be removed.
What that has to do with ISIS murdering children at pop concerts is anyone's guess but the idea that that can in any way be justified is not one that I can accept. These people are mad dogs and there's only one thing you can do with a mad dog and that is to shoot it.
You want to aerial bomb refugee camps for women and children FFS!! Heard of the Geneva Convention? You now double down on it by claiming another sovereign countries oil resources for the west. You are a complete C#nt and on my ignore list you piece of Sh#t. And if that gets me banned go for it. |
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Post by savvypaul on Feb 19, 2019 17:10:17 GMT
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Post by macca on Feb 19, 2019 17:35:39 GMT
Naïve.
Saddam was keeping a lid on it that's true (albeit he was doing it by killing people) -regrettably, for whatever reasons he decided to go off the reservation and could no longer be trusted to safeguard the world's second largest oil reserve for the West. Without the oil there would be much suffering in the West. Consequently he had to be removed.
What that has to do with ISIS murdering children at pop concerts is anyone's guess but the idea that that can in any way be justified is not one that I can accept. These people are mad dogs and there's only one thing you can do with a mad dog and that is to shoot it.
You want to aerial bomb refugee camps for women and children FFS!! Is English your first language? Fabulous over-reaction to something I never said. 10 out of 10. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 18:14:27 GMT
Oh Sh#t, where's my popcorn!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 18:53:03 GMT
I hope that is a bucket of popcorn big enough to go round the entire audience?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 19:06:13 GMT
I am thinking this may need to calm down a touch! Lets not start wishing "Isis revenge" on the members ay!!
We haven't got that many as it is. Don't need to be losing any lol
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