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Post by Bigman80 on May 7, 2018 21:05:48 GMT
What can I say? I just love these amps. Every one of them a winner. They make music in a fast, powerful, tight and musical way. If purity and flat tonal balance are your priorities they may not be your ideal, but if you seek compelling music that you can listen to for hours, then you really ought to hear them. I have had my expensive and sonically superior amps, but in terms of enjoyment they are right up there at the top for me,
Any other lovers out there?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 21:27:15 GMT
I quite like the Exposure X. I know DSJR despises the X, but I honestly couldn't give a toss!
Wouldn't mind trying the XXV (Remote model).
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Post by Bigman80 on May 7, 2018 21:41:25 GMT
I quite like the Exposure X. I know DSJR despises the X, but I honestly couldn't give a toss! Wouldn't mind trying the XXV (Remote model). S. I was a bit of a late convert but I like it too now. There was aN XXV RC on EBay just yesterday. It was on a BIN or best offer and wasn't expensive
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Post by Bigman80 on May 7, 2018 21:44:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 22:57:41 GMT
Great amps. Deserve to be seen as legends.
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Post by dsjr on May 8, 2018 13:41:51 GMT
Maybe the X we had in for a dem was a bad one (it was fairly new as well, so hopefully not drifted off). Very harsh sound this one was. I seem to remember the XV not being at all like this, but it's thirty years or so ago now and you can't go back to confirm old memories...
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 15:46:57 GMT
Maybe the X we had in for a dem was a bad one (it was fairly new as well, so hopefully not drifted off). Very harsh sound this one was. I seem to remember the XV not being at all like this, but it's thirty years or so ago now and you can't go back to confirm old memories... Jesus Christ....How old are you? S.
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Post by Bigman80 on May 8, 2018 17:17:16 GMT
Maybe the X we had in for a dem was a bad one (it was fairly new as well, so hopefully not drifted off). Very harsh sound this one was. I seem to remember the XV not being at all like this, but it's thirty years or so ago now and you can't go back to confirm old memories... Jesus Christ....How old are you? S. That'll be you one day, Shane. And me a lot sooner than that!
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 17:22:20 GMT
Brutal, but true.
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Post by dsjr on May 8, 2018 19:37:33 GMT
Shane, you have the tact of a bulldozer! I'm 61 if you must know and I started as a Saturday boy in 1973 when I was sixteen. OK?
I started buying 'Hi Fi Sound' magazine when I was ten in 1967 and mopped it all up aspergically. I kept them all until twenty years ago when dad moved from the family home and the loft needed clearing out. VERY silly thing to have done as many early 70's classics were thoroughly reviewed and tested back then, but the stack of mags was filthy and maybe not salvageable. Old gear was two-a-penny then and it's only the last ten years that used stuff has sky-rocketed in price to the detriment of the new mid-market goods market which has collapsed in the UK.
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Post by Bigman80 on May 8, 2018 19:56:28 GMT
Shane, you have the tact of a bulldozer! I'm 61 if you must know and I started as a Saturday boy in 1973 when I was sixteen. OK? I started buying 'Hi Fi Sound' magazine when I was ten in 1967 and mopped it all up aspergically. I kept them all until twenty years ago when dad moved from the family home and the loft needed clearing out. VERY silly thing to have done as many early 70's classics were thoroughly reviewed and tested back then, but the stack of mags was filthy and maybe not salvageable. Old gear was two-a-penny then and it's only the last ten years that used stuff has sky-rocketed in price to the detriment of the new mid-market goods market which has collapsed in the UK. Well at least it makes me feel younger I only remember "New Hifi Sound" magazine whIch was a bit rubbish.,I sure it replaced another mag that I've since forgotten. It wasn't Hifi Answers/Audiophile which was a contemporary.
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Post by pauld on May 9, 2018 23:05:06 GMT
I liked my Exposure XVII and XVIII but they proved to too bright and unable to drive my current speakers well enough, shame as otherwise I’d have kept them provably.
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Post by Bigman80 on May 10, 2018 7:26:52 GMT
I liked my Exposure XVII and XVIII but they proved to too bright and unable to drive my current speakers well enough, shame as otherwise I’d have kept them provably. I didn't realise your new speakers took a bit of driving. I was slightly tempted when your Exposures came up, but they were a bit "new" for me. If I ever see another pair like the ones I sold to Yomanze, I will have them any day.
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Post by dsjr on May 10, 2018 12:30:55 GMT
I remain not sure about Focal speakers and old memories were re-enforced when I heard some Kanta's recently - ugh! Too much trouble by what I've read on the forums - all those drive units trying to integrate in a small room where you can't get far enough back from them...
...And here's me reminiscing about old Isobariks where you ideally need to be 4m away from them if the room allows it - rolls eyes...
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 18:11:14 GMT
Heard the mighty XVI Mono's back in 2012. The owner sold me a X at the time.
I still remember the XVI sounding very dynamic. Bass was powerful and slightly dry. The source was a Naim CD5i, which I think was a let down for that system.
XVI is still on my want list. Yeah I know, fecking rare as hens teeth!!
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Post by pauld on Jun 25, 2018 13:47:21 GMT
I remain not sure about Focal speakers and old memories were re-enforced when I heard some Kanta's recently - ugh! Too much trouble by what I've read on the forums - all those drive units trying to integrate in a small room where you can't get far enough back from them... ...And here's me reminiscing about old Isobariks where you ideally need to be 4m away from them if the room allows it - rolls eyes... The Focal of now are a very different organisation to what they once were. The Sopra and Kanta models are voiced on Naim amplification, so they had to drop the treble significantly for them to work appropriately. For me that has given them a dull sound. The Electra's are proper Focal speakers, and work well with the right amplification, that isn't Naim or Exposure as I have recently found out. Give them the right amplification and source and they sound quite amazing. I used to find it impossible to listen to them for more than around 20 mins at any volume, whereas now I am finding myself turning the volume up and up and enjoying them immensely.
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Post by dsjr on Jun 25, 2018 17:16:06 GMT
Which Naim era did they use I wonder? Bolt up ones were musical and valve-like (honest, they were delightfully musical with a nice warmth of tone) which was ditched for an agressive hard hitting sound in the CB models and only mildly tamed in the Olive era. The new cosmetic seemed to get the midrange nice again, but with grainy top, thumpy bass and the hard clipping HURT if these amps were pushed. I heard many from Nait 5 to the last 250 with Super-Nait in between and they were all the same. Paul, I have to bow to your knowledge of the Focals over the years. The first ones I knew were from the early noughties up to a £1200 stand mounter (were these Electra models?) and these had boomy bass (or no bass if plugged) and a filling-extracting tweeter setting. I heard some cheap basic models from a then new budget range and these were nice (around £300pr i remember) before I went into semi-retirement and moved here. The big ones you and macca have passed me by although I was distinctly unimpressed with some huge 'Utopia?' models I heard at a show (where were the musicians, let alone the music?). It was only listeng aghast at the current Kanta droning on tunelessly, driven by a Naim streamer for ten minutes last november that I kind of heard one of the new ones... Mind you, a pair of larger Russell Kaufmann models with similar Naim streamer also sounded drony, heavy lower mids and ultimately boring (I put it down to my gammy ears with Russell, an old colleague of mine from forty odd years ago). Maybe it's the Naim... My ears are better now and I can hear highs a little more evenly, but age and tinnitus means I can't take a full-fat speaker balance (rules out mid period Harbeths such as the SHL5's I have which I need to decide what to do with). I need to hear the JBL 4412SE before too long just to see if that more assertive quality will suit my ears and room better and of course larger JBL's and ATC's are beyond me now (such a giant killing bargain, the ATC 50's and 100's in active form used to be compared to the bling crap available domestically in my opinion)... You don't need expensive wires and foo add-ons to make these work properly, just plonk down and go Sorry for the thread drift. I wonder what a larger Farlowe era power amp would sound like with a modern preamp (Exposure preamps were the weakest bit I recall) and source?
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Post by pauld on Jun 25, 2018 18:34:13 GMT
They use the current Naim era amps to voice the current speakers, i.e. the Sopra's and Kanta's.
Not sure what they used prior to the Naim acquisition, but I doubt it would have been Naim as they didn't particularly see eye to eye previously.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 18:07:52 GMT
I mainly know the 7 and 8, the 4 and the 4DR. All of which I've worked on and carried out mods on. Pretty good amps generally, much better than Naim, but then that's not difficult. Ultimately lacking the last bit of precision and transparency for me though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 18:09:37 GMT
The Enclosures always reminded me of Macho Quantum Electronics Enclosures
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 18:13:35 GMT
The Enclosures always reminded me of Macho Quantum Electronics Enclosures Yes, no bullshit style. S.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 4:24:15 GMT
I mainly know the 7 and 8, the 4 and the 4DR. All of which I've worked on and carried out mods on. Pretty good amps generally, much better than Naim, but then that's not difficult. Ultimately lacking the last bit of precision and transparency for me though. Hi Deleted, I would like to ask you a few questions as I reckon you have done some mod on the exposure VIII, I have 2 units of super VIII, I believe the transformer is like mono VIII without separate pre windings, I am thinking of removing 1 set of the channel (rectifier, 2 capacitors and the amplifier board) and leave only 1 channel power by 1 transformer. My reasoning is that I got 2 units of stereo, I could have to convert it to mono and save 2 amplifier board for spare and the same time increase the current and grip on the remaining board. My question is could it be done and would it improve the current and grip just to remove 1 channel and leaves everything untouched. Appreciated.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 31, 2020 7:31:16 GMT
I mainly know the 7 and 8, the 4 and the 4DR. All of which I've worked on and carried out mods on. Pretty good amps generally, much better than Naim, but then that's not difficult. Ultimately lacking the last bit of precision and transparency for me though. Hi Deleted, I would like to ask you a few questions as I reckon you have done some mod on the exposure VIII, I have 2 units of super VIII, I believe the transformer is like mono VIII without separate pre windings, I am thinking of removing 1 set of the channel (rectifier, 2 capacitors and the amplifier board) and leave only 1 channel power by 1 transformer. My reasoning is that I got 2 units of stereo, I could have to convert it to mono and save 2 amplifier board for spare and the same time increase the current and grip on the remaining board. My question is could it be done and would it improve the current and grip just to remove 1 channel and leaves everything untouched. Appreciated. Unfortunately "deleted" is as described. He left a little while back to "get away from forums" but still runs a Facebook group, of which the name escapes me. If anyone knows, they might be able to point you in his direction.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 9:09:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 16:23:15 GMT
Thanks cageyh and bigman80 for the tips, I thought his username was "deleted"
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