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Post by antonio on Aug 29, 2023 16:26:16 GMT
@bigman80 You must be keen for a listen, getting your soldering iron out with only 30 minutes left before you go to work. Don't forget, 'more haste less speed, a stitch in time' ect.
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Post by pete on Aug 29, 2023 17:22:07 GMT
Looking forward to hearing more!! I'm just looking forward to hearing it šš š¤£š¤£
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 29, 2023 17:36:34 GMT
@bigman80 You must be keen for a listen, getting your soldering iron out with only 30 minutes left before you go to work. Don't forget, 'more haste less speed, a stitch in time' ect. No rushing involved. It was only four caps, that can't be put in incorrectly lol I've been very careful all the way through, especially after I lost a solder pad on the PCB after one of the first caps came out. Less heat, more patience.
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Post by misterc on Aug 29, 2023 17:53:04 GMT
May I suggest a through hole plating repair kit Oli, its a great getout of shite card
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 29, 2023 18:58:38 GMT
May I suggest a through hole plating repair kit Oli, its a great getout of shite card I'd appreciate a link T. I have soldered it to the top of the PCB which is all still in tact. Just the bottom pad that came off as far as I can tell. Ill double check before switch on though.
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Post by misterc on Aug 29, 2023 20:28:34 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 29, 2023 21:27:47 GMT
$949......Think I'll just add a link or two if required šš
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 29, 2023 23:25:30 GMT
Anyway..... repair kits aside, I decided on my way home from work that I was going to put some juice into the DAC and see what happened. I double...no, triple checked the cap that had removed a pad from the bottom of the PCB and all seemed fine. So, in went the juice.. We have lights!!!! Not only that, we also have the correct voltages on all of the umpteen test points on the PCB! The one thing I'm not sure of is why the input LED stopped flashing, as though it had a connection, when it clearly doesn't. I may not be recalling correctly as to whether the dac keeps blinking until lock is achieved, or if it only blinks while everything gets going. I may not be out of the woods yet, so I am still a little apprehensive about how well I've done UNTILL I get sound out of it...which will be tomorrow, all being well. However, I am over the moon that no caps blew electrolytes across the PCB, or a new regulator went up in magic smoke š
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Post by misterc on Aug 30, 2023 7:00:22 GMT
You can always power up each section individually with a bench top psu this way you can eliminate each portion of the circuit
Also saves the magic smoke escaping
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Post by antonio on Aug 30, 2023 7:06:13 GMT
@bigman80 Good luck.
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Post by bencat on Aug 30, 2023 8:19:01 GMT
Great job Oli just hope it sounds top class after all of your work .
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Post by zleepy on Aug 30, 2023 9:29:35 GMT
Itching to hear your impressions Oli! Do you have an unmodded Aqvox to compare with still?
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 30, 2023 9:35:28 GMT
IT LIVES!!!!
The Aqvox is in the system and playing.
It's horrible šš
No, it's not, it's just needs some hours on it.
No early impressions from me as it feels like it's changing track to track, so I'll wait untill it settles down a bit and then give it a serious listening to.
Unfortunately I don't have an unmodded one to listen to anymore, but I know where there is one with a LPSU. So maybe once everything has settled down I can arrange a little bake off.
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Post by bencat on Aug 30, 2023 11:15:19 GMT
Oli if you do organise a DAC off would it be possible for me to attend and bring by Mutec along ? Mine has been worked on by Tony and is powered by an Sbooster LPSU and would really like to hear it against an unmolested Mutec with LPSU input .
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 30, 2023 12:14:00 GMT
Oli if you do organise a DAC off would it be possible for me to attend and bring by Mutec along ? Mine has been worked on by Tony and is powered by an Sbooster LPSU and would really like to hear it against an unmolested Mutec with LPSU input . You're more than welcome to visit here for the day if you want. We can compare whatever you bring with you
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Post by pete on Aug 30, 2023 12:25:11 GMT
IT LIVES!!!! The Aqvox is in the system and playing. It's horrible šš No, it's not, it's just needs some hours on it. No early impressions from me as it feels like it's changing track to track, so I'll wait untill it settles down a bit and then give it a serious listening to. Unfortunately I don't have an unmodded one to listen to anymore, but I know where there is one with a LPSU. So maybe once everything has settled down I can arrange a little bake off. Sounds a good plan. Iām sure the owner of the Aqvox would be very happy to oblige šš
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Post by stevew on Aug 30, 2023 12:46:46 GMT
IT LIVES!!!! The Aqvox is in the system and playing. It's horrible šš No, it's not, it's just needs some hours on it. No early impressions from me as it feels like it's changing track to track, so I'll wait untill it settles down a bit and then give it a serious listening to. Unfortunately I don't have an unmodded one to listen to anymore, but I know where there is one with a LPSU. So maybe once everything has settled down I can arrange a little bake off. You got it. š
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 30, 2023 15:43:57 GMT
Well, five hours of play has been very beneficial for the Aqvox. Originally, for the first few minutes, it sound extraordinary. Extremely ethereal, floaty and the soundstage was monstrous vs the previous incarnation. However, it quickly turned into a lean sound with a HF emphasis.
5hrs later and it is now sounding a lot better.
The LF has returned, there are now improvements to that too, particularly the rez.
It is now showing signs of great promise. I'll update further when it's had some serious play time
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Post by misterc on Aug 30, 2023 15:45:51 GMT
This is very common Oli, and this is the amplitute jitter at work
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 31, 2023 20:08:37 GMT
Officially 36hrs in and I'm not happy. The DAC has opened up with an extremely transparent and all encompassing soundstage, which is amazing, but it's WAY to thin. The bass is appearing almost in the very centre of the image, which is extremely weird to hear. However, the detail is unbelievable. I know it's extremely early to be hitting the panic button, so I have mildly prodded it and bought some of these: Yes, they are older caps and no you haven't heard of them, but they were WIMAs top cap for audio, and they were only released in Asia. They are the only other cap I can see that will fit and not just be a generic cap. They will take at least a month to get here, so the Amtrans have until they arrive to fill out a bit. If they don't, the WIMA will be going straight in when they get here.
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Post by brucew268 on Aug 31, 2023 20:43:02 GMT
Those Amtrans can be a bit stark in the wrong place Oli, I used a few in Wadia last year, quite a sideways move, however different dac different result.
Sounds like this might possibly be what you are experiencing Oli Bigman80
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 31, 2023 21:20:59 GMT
Those Amtrans can be a bit stark in the wrong place Oli, I used a few in Wadia last year, quite a sideways move, however different dac different result.
Sounds like this might possibly be what you are experiencing Oli Bigman80Yeah, quite possibly. I sincerely hope not, but my experience is that caps are usually fattening up by 30hrs and these have, but nowhere near what's required. It's always a lottery with caps. If I ever design a DAC it's going to have enough space for PROPER caps. The fact the LF is still in the middle of the soundstage, like a central point, suggests the Amtrans aren't burned in yet.
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Post by electronumpty on Aug 31, 2023 21:35:08 GMT
Cap rolling , love it. Certainly a voyage of discovery! Good luck with it. !
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 1, 2023 20:33:55 GMT
Well, I'm at least 50hrs in and the Amtrans aren't getting to where I want them to be. The next logical step was to see if ANY caps sound different in that position. I had these WEET Metalised PP caps anyway, so bunged them in. Instant tonal gratification. They sound so much richer and human than the Amtrans. I can't lie, the Amtrans are transparent and detailed in the extreme and I can think of a hundred different devices that they would instantly improve, but not this Aqvox. The WEETS sound a bit shut in at the moment, but LF is there already, but a bit loose. The LF is low down in the soundstage too, rather than in the middle, like a bullseye on a dart board. I haven't given up on the Amtrans yet. I'm going to whack some volts through them for another 100hrs while these WEET are burning in and the WIMA are on the way. Then I'll give them all a listen.... However, I am now starting to think I may just risk it and go with no coupling caps. I wasn't keen before, but now I face the very real issue of not being able to use any caps I really want due to space issues. If only there was space for some Film and Foil.
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Post by misterc on Sept 2, 2023 13:39:04 GMT
The Amtrans strike again, IMHO a great many of these ao called audiophile caps are BS, sure they change the sound but for a more audiophile airy fairy way.
You don't have to use this type of cap (what really? no way, yes really) I am giving away way to many tricks of trade here lol
Oli, identify which end trace is ground reference, then stick in a polarised (eeek!) Nichicon or Silmic using the that ground trace for the stripped side of the can. Worth a go imho.
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Post by firebottle on Sept 2, 2023 15:07:16 GMT
Oli, I have some 10uF 25V Silmics you can try.
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Post by misterc on Sept 2, 2023 15:09:36 GMT
IMHO that's worth a go good call Alan, thew bass maybe somewhat larger but it will help work out which way to go. However if you have to use caps then only two things you need to know V & Cap
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 2, 2023 16:29:10 GMT
IMHO that's worth a go good call Alan, thew bass maybe somewhat larger but it will help work out which way to go. However if you have to use caps then only two things you need to know V & Cap They won't fit Tony.
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Post by misterc on Sept 2, 2023 16:46:41 GMT
I see young grasshopper, seriously try simic II's or Nichion audiophile gold, Panansoic Blues, (can't remeber the range) sure they do a 50u 2.2 and 3.3uf I have some 50V 2.2uF in panny blues, sure that would be worth a try, I have a couple of thousand of the them I'll stick some in the post for you Oli.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 2, 2023 17:22:29 GMT
I see young grasshopper, seriously try simic II's or Nichion audiophile gold, Panansoic Blues, (can't remeber the range) sure they do a 50u 2.2 and 3.3uf I have some 50V 2.2uF in panny blues, sure that would be worth a try, I have a couple of thousand of the them I'll stick some in the post for you Oli. Thanks T
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