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Post by peterthebutcher on Dec 8, 2022 22:08:25 GMT
After a good demo of some ATC SCM 40's(passive) I am hoping to place an order in January and order a pair from a Cambridge dealers I am just waiting to see what the trade in offer is on my 2.5 year old Amphion Argon 3LS speakers will be. Hopefully it will be a lot better than a local dealer offered me, for the same speaker... thats another story, enough said, I was not impressed, I was a very unhappy bunny ( amphion.fi/enjoy/products-home-audio/argon3ls-floorstanding-loudspeaker/ )
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Post by antonio on Dec 9, 2022 6:46:50 GMT
Pleased you enjoyed the ATC's, why not put up a for sale ad on the forums and ebay.
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Post by Arke on Dec 9, 2022 7:23:39 GMT
It's great that you've found some speakers you like. Looking forward to hearing first impressions when you get them in your system. New equipment is always very exciting!
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Post by peterthebutcher on Dec 9, 2022 8:15:01 GMT
Pleased you enjoyed the ATC's, why not put up a for sale ad on the forums and ebay. mainly as I have mobility health issues, and the boxes are in the loft, so need partner son to pop over and pack them... But will have a look, see what lowball offer the dealer offer me. One local dealer offered just £650 for speakers that cost today £3500 ( and they are walnut too)
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Post by hifinutt on Dec 9, 2022 9:47:52 GMT
650 !!!! oh my gosh !!! they will certainly achieve 1200 i think on forums . there has been quite a discussion of amphion in recent years . cracking speaker and in the premium walnut finish too [ which is real wood veneer not wrap]
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Post by antonio on Dec 9, 2022 10:17:02 GMT
I've seen one ad elsewhere, well done, you just never know.
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Post by bencat on Dec 9, 2022 11:11:04 GMT
I know this is not what anyone buying something new wants to hear but have you heard the ATC40 Active ? Only my view of course but they are streets ahead of the passive model and really offer all you could need in one package . Appreciate they are not cheap but they do away with amplifier and speakers and some of the cost can be clawed back by selling those on . Even consider a used pair as most that buy this level of speaker will be careful and proud owners and you save the difference in cost . I know that I should perhaps keep my comments to myself but the itch to say something was just too much as I looked at both and knew I would never be happy with the passives after hearing the actives but my circumstances changed and now I can afford neither .
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Post by antonio on Dec 9, 2022 11:22:40 GMT
bencat Strangely enough I have just read a post on another forum preferring passive ATC's, so yet again it is each to his own. For simplicities sake, I think I'd go with actives.
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Post by bencat on Dec 9, 2022 11:31:28 GMT
I know exactly what you mean in my view they do not sound much like the same speaker so I can easily understand why someone else would prefer one over the other . I much prefer the Atc40 Active over the 50 Active as i think the 40's are just voiced more naturally and have less of the Studio Monitor hardness that I can hear in the 50 . It is also a plus that the 40 would better suit my music room for size as well the 50 likely to be a little too much . Ah well will have to wait for that lottery win or someone I do not know leaving me a nice large legacy in their will , neither of these is likely .
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Post by peterthebutcher on Dec 9, 2022 12:07:08 GMT
I know this is not what anyone buying something new wants to hear but have you heard the ATC40 Active ? Only my view of course but they are streets ahead of the passive model and really offer all you could need in one package . Appreciate they are not cheap but they do away with amplifier and speakers and some of the cost can be clawed back by selling those on . Even consider a used pair as most that buy this level of speaker will be careful and proud owners and you save the difference in cost . I know that I should perhaps keep my comments to myself but the itch to say something was just too much as I looked at both and knew I would never be happy with the passives after hearing the actives but my circumstances changed and now I can afford neither . Like I have mentioned before (maybe not on here?) I have just got new PS mono amps and TQ cable so would loose too much
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Post by jandl100 on Dec 9, 2022 13:08:44 GMT
I wouldn't go active. I enjoy trying different amps too much!
I must say that ATC SCM40 look fantastic. And if the sound suits then Bingo.
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Post by macca on Dec 9, 2022 19:32:28 GMT
They do look pretty tasty, never heard that model ATC though and can't find any measurements.
I'd have supposed the sound of the passive version would depend on the amplifier, I will bet they are not an easy load.
I thought the SCM100A were excellent but they don't round off any corners, not one I'd recommend for someone looking for a warm or mellow presentation that will just wash over you.
Have heard the passive ones sound rubbish at a show, clearly not the speakers but all the expensive boutique tat they were hooked up to.
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Post by peterthebutcher on Dec 10, 2022 9:33:06 GMT
They do look pretty tasty, never heard that model ATC though and can't find any measurements. I'd have supposed the sound of the passive version would depend on the amplifier, I will bet they are not an easy load. I thought the SCM100A were excellent but they don't round off any corners, not one I'd recommend for someone looking for a warm or mellow presentation that will just wash over you. Have heard the passive ones sound rubbish at a show, clearly not the speakers but all the expensive boutique tat they were hooked up to. This what I found when I went to hear some Canton K7 the other week, a 5.5K speaker driven by a Luxman amp (8K plus), TQ cable costing over£900, mains conditioner and upgraded mains cables. They sounded good, but so they should, given all the £££££ thrown at them
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Post by macca on Dec 10, 2022 10:22:14 GMT
They do look pretty tasty, never heard that model ATC though and can't find any measurements. I'd have supposed the sound of the passive version would depend on the amplifier, I will bet they are not an easy load. I thought the SCM100A were excellent but they don't round off any corners, not one I'd recommend for someone looking for a warm or mellow presentation that will just wash over you. Have heard the passive ones sound rubbish at a show, clearly not the speakers but all the expensive boutique tat they were hooked up to. This what I found when I went to hear some Canton K7 the other week, a 5.5K speaker driven by a Luxman amp (8K plus), TQ cable costing over£900, mains conditioner and upgraded mains cables. They sounded good, but so they should, given all the £££££ thrown at them They would sound just as good with free power cables, equipment plugged right into the wall socket and some fifty quid speaker cables. That's the reality. I do like the recent Luxman amplifiers, okay you could get the same performance for a lot less but they look the business and you can't fault the build quality - those are good reasons to buy them if money's not a major obstacle. So when are these ATC turning up?
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Post by peterthebutcher on Dec 10, 2022 14:48:54 GMT
This what I found when I went to hear some Canton K7 the other week, a 5.5K speaker driven by a Luxman amp (8K plus), TQ cable costing over£900, mains conditioner and upgraded mains cables. They sounded good, but so they should, given all the £££££ thrown at them They would sound just as good with free power cables, equipment plugged right into the wall socket and some fifty quid speaker cables. That's the reality. I do like the recent Luxman amplifiers, okay you could get the same performance for a lot less but they look the business and you can't fault the build quality - those are good reasons to buy them if money's not a major obstacle. So when are these ATC turning up? The chap is ringing on wed, and have a couple of things to sort out first. The major thing is my partner had her biopsy results on the same day I was in negotiations with the dealer, and to be honest (and was not the good news we had hoped for), she comes first as she should, so maybe longer than I like, 8/9 weeks instead of 5/6
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Post by peterthebutcher on Dec 13, 2022 14:56:45 GMT
A small but necessary update... Due to a serious health issue in the family my partner (breast cancer) the speaker purchase has been put on hold for a while until thing get sorted. Family must and does come first
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 13, 2022 14:58:46 GMT
A small but necessary update... Due to a serious health issue in the family my partner (breast cancer) the speaker purchase has been put on hold for a while until thing get sorted. Family must and does come first Oh no!.... So sorry to hear that Pete. Please send all of our support to Mrs Pete. If we can do anything to help, please let us know. Oliver.
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Post by stevew on Dec 13, 2022 15:38:45 GMT
A small but necessary update... Due to a serious health issue in the family my partner (breast cancer) the speaker purchase has been put on hold for a while until thing get sorted. Family must and does come first Having traveled that journey with my wife, you and your partner have my deepest sympathies. All I can offer is that ray of hope that the latest treatments offer. They really are amazing.
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Post by antonio on Dec 13, 2022 15:44:12 GMT
Very sorry to hear your news Pete, can only hope that stevew's post is true and the treatments are amazing. Good luck to both of you.
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Post by peterthebutcher on Dec 13, 2022 21:38:40 GMT
Thanks guys, she has been told there is a 99% chance of it being nothing, but just to be on the safe side...
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 13, 2022 22:48:10 GMT
Thanks guys, she has been told there is a 99% chance of it being nothing, but just to be on the safe side... I am crossing everything for that to be the case. Gods willing 🤞
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Post by bencat on Dec 14, 2022 13:29:02 GMT
As per stevew I have also been on that road with the first instance proving to be breast cancer and a great deal of pain . The recent second instance was thankfully a false alarm and the relief was very welcome . Both my Wife and myself offer our sympathies and good wishes and hope that yours is a much shorter and less painful journey . As BigMan says if there is anything I can do that will help just let me know .
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Post by hifinutt on Dec 14, 2022 13:49:13 GMT
a very hard experience for many . hope it turns out well
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Post by Arke on Dec 15, 2022 10:44:57 GMT
Wishing you and your family best wishes Pete.
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