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Post by Arke on Sept 12, 2022 13:20:03 GMT
zleepy you certainly have a fantastic looking speaker at a great price! Troels links this company on his website: www.ebelholztechnik.de/galerien/index.php/category/359-faital_3wc_10I emailed to find out a build price... Mainly as an exercise in market research - I want to know what others charge for cabinet builds. Quite interesting: A fully assembled and sanded 21mm Baltic Birch ply cabinet is 875 euros. A lacquered finish is a further 580 euros UK delivery is another 115 euros That is 1570 euros, which is then subject to customs fees and courier import fees. UK vat shouldn't be charged again. 1570 euros plus fees and other charges is quite a lot more than I had anticipated. This has two great positives: - you got an amazing deal - especially with veneer, grilles and stands, bitumen and felt fitted too! - I am very happy as it should be possible to provide much more bespoke cabinets for less than the above. You got a fantastic deal from a great carpenter!
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Post by zleepy on Sept 12, 2022 15:45:23 GMT
zleepy you certainly have a fantastic looking speaker at a great price! Troels links this company on his website: www.ebelholztechnik.de/galerien/index.php/category/359-faital_3wc_10I emailed to find out a build price... Mainly as an exercise in market research - I want to know what others charge for cabinet builds. Quite interesting: A fully assembled and sanded 21mm Baltic Birch ply cabinet is 875 euros. A lacquered finish is a further 580 euros UK delivery is another 115 euros That is 1570 euros, which is then subject to customs fees and courier import fees. UK vat shouldn't be charged again. 1570 euros plus fees and other charges is quite a lot more than I had anticipated. This has two great positives: - you got an amazing deal - especially with veneer, grilles and stands, bitumen and felt fitted too! - I am very happy as it should be possible to provide much more bespoke cabinets for less than the above. You got a fantastic deal from a great carpenter! Wow! I thought it was a good deal. Now I know it was a great deal! Thanks for the positive comments. These still pales in comparison to your Ekta II. Love the look of them and I am in awe of your woodworking skills, engineering skills and your attention to detail. /Karl
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Post by Arke on Sept 12, 2022 16:00:50 GMT
Thanks Karl, that's very kind. Yours are also beautiful, it's just a different style and can be very subjective. I love the retro, 3 way classic look!
The Ektas are unlikely to ever be made like that for a customer - they were a unique build for me and I was very self indulgent! I like to really push the limits on my own builds, since it's very unlikely anyone would pay for a build of that complexity. My builds let me practice new skills and techniques too.
That build took over 200 hrs - at £20/hr those speakers would cost around £7000! They'll easily perform at that level, but I doubt anyone would pay that for an Ekta mkII build.
I am looking forward to my next personal speaker build - another chance to go crazy.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 12, 2022 17:32:13 GMT
£7k sounds a bargain based on what we heard at yours.
That may be controversial, but seriously.....it was a truly remarkable sound.
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Post by Arke on Sept 12, 2022 18:39:02 GMT
£7k sounds a bargain based on what we heard at yours. That may be controversial, but seriously.....it was a truly remarkable sound. It was remarkable, I agree (but I would 😂). The main problem for a potential customer is hearing before they buy. This will improve as the network of Troels builds grows. I can't wait to build some more and let me people hear them!
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 12, 2022 19:23:47 GMT
£7k sounds a bargain based on what we heard at yours. That may be controversial, but seriously.....it was a truly remarkable sound. It was remarkable, I agree (but I would 😂). The main problem for a potential customer is hearing before they buy. This will improve as the network of Troels builds grows. I can't wait to build some more and let me people hear them! Should the Etka stick here, I will welcome anyone for a visit and a listen 👍
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 12, 2022 19:29:39 GMT
Anyway, back to Karl's speakers.....I must say, they are growing on me visually....there is a retro look but the finish is very smooth.
Beautiful stuff.
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Post by zleepy on Oct 31, 2022 7:23:13 GMT
The Faital series speakers, especially 3-WC-10 are getting some love on Troels builders response page . www.troelsgravesen.dk/Faital-3WC-10_Koen.htmIt would be interesting to compare them to some other of Troels designs. Reading about the Ekta II on here got me wondering how much the driver quality impacts on the sound quality. The Faital series uses drivers normally used in PA systems and are not "audiophile stamped" .
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Post by Arke on Oct 31, 2022 8:34:33 GMT
The Faital series speakers, especially 3-WC-10 are getting some love on Troels builders response page . www.troelsgravesen.dk/Faital-3WC-10_Koen.htmIt would be interesting to compare them to some other of Troels designs. Reading about the Ekta II on here got me wondering how much the driver quality impacts on the sound quality. The Faital series uses drivers normally used in PA systems and are not "audiophile stamped" . I'm looking forward to building a pair one day. I think they are likely to be one of the sweet spots in the Troels range - they seem great VFM and there is a Beryllium tweeter option too. I'd be very keen to hear how the PA drivers are in comparison to some of the prestige 'audiophile' brands. The likes of SEAS and Scanspeak certainly attract a premium price for their reputation. Troels says this about the Faital 3WC-10: "I know this is big words, but I'll stick my neck out for any comparison on transparency and 3-dimensionality.". That it quite some claim! I wonder how they'd compare to the Ekta mkIIs. My feeling is that it won't be a clear cut thing - I think it'll come down to personal preference, music tastes, room and system. The Faitals 3WC-10s have twice the membrane area of the Ektas in mid and Bass so will move a fair bit more air. It is hard to cheat physics, so this should bring some advantages: bass reproduction and a general sense of scale. The Ektas, on the other hand, have the phenomenal Illuminator drivers (used in some very expensive speakers), these provide breath-taking resolution and clarity - can this be matched by the Faital drivers? I think the Ektas may edge it here - only one way to find out! Another key difference is sensitivity - the Ektas are 87dB and Faitals 91dB. I found that the Ektas required an amp with some serious grunt to really sing - a 686 does a sterling job! Many amps struggled to get a real grip on the bass. The Faitals should be much more suited to lower powered class A and Valve amplification - good for those that prefer that sound. Finally, there is cost... The Faital 3WC-10s (with a fabric dome tweeter) are a fair bit cheaper than the Ekta mkIIs, so that'll be a key factor is some people's choice. I am looking forward to hearing the difference one day!
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 31, 2022 9:15:54 GMT
"I recently killed my piggy bank and bought a brand new EAR 868PL to complement my 861, I am extremely happy with this combo, so a big thank you for introducing me to these truly magnificent hifi pieces.
So now having reached the top of what reasonable money can buy I remain with some questions"
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Post by Arke on Oct 31, 2022 9:35:13 GMT
"I recently killed my piggy bank and bought a brand new EAR 868PL to complement my 861, I am extremely happy with this combo, so a big thank you for introducing me to these truly magnificent hifi pieces. So now having reached the top of what reasonable money can buy I remain with some questions" 🤔 As with many things in hifi (and other areas of life) it can be very subjective. I know a few people that would choose valves /class A over a 686. Not everyone wants utter resolution, neutrality and perfection. I think I want it all 😂 It'll be the same with Troels speakers... Some will love the CNOs, some the Faitals and some the Ektas. Edit: Also, we only know what we know. It's a learning curve for us all and some have been moving along the curve for long time.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 31, 2022 9:39:50 GMT
"I recently killed my piggy bank and bought a brand new EAR 868PL to complement my 861, I am extremely happy with this combo, so a big thank you for introducing me to these truly magnificent hifi pieces. So now having reached the top of what reasonable money can buy I remain with some questions" 🤔 As with many things in hifi (and other areas of life) it can be very subjective. I know a few people that would choose valves /class A over a 686. Not everyone wants utter resolution, neutrality and perfection. I think I want to all 😂 It'll be the same with Troels speakers... Some will love the CNOs, some the Faitals and some the Ektas. It's not that I have an issue with some people liking valves etc, I like valve equipment! It's the statement that he now has the "best equipment" available. It does my nut in
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Post by Arke on Oct 31, 2022 9:43:26 GMT
It's just his opinion I guess. We all try to get the best our (reasonable) money can buy. We all make different choices - not sure there is an absolute right answer.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 31, 2022 9:45:52 GMT
It's just his opinion I guess. We all try to get the best our (reasonable) money can buy. We all make different choices - not sure there is an absolute right answer. No, I agree.....I'm just a grumpy Sh#t this morning lol
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Post by electronumpty on Oct 31, 2022 9:49:24 GMT
Mondayitis!!
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 31, 2022 10:52:24 GMT
Yeah, I can only blame Monday and a succession of early starts of the last few weeks.
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Post by zleepy on Jun 6, 2023 5:45:25 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 6, 2023 10:07:28 GMT
"Thomas" has done a lovely job of those! Sitting here listening to my Ekta, thinking how lucky we are to have these kinds of speakers in our systems.
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Post by elfriede on Sept 19, 2024 22:18:18 GMT
I rarely post in this forum but I thoroughly enjoy to read and follow what you guys are doing. To me this is one of the best audio forums so thanks for that. I just read the "Visit to Arke Audio" thread and that seem to have sparked an interest in Troels speakers so I thought I would share my recent project. Hi Nice project, the cabinet looks really gorgeous. May I ask you which carpenter you used? Would the Faital3WC 10 be working fir a listing distance of 2 meters? Thank you Christian
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Post by zleepy on Sept 23, 2024 8:16:18 GMT
The carpenter that made my cabinets is a Finnish one based in the city of Salo. I'm not sure it would be a viable option to use them.
2 meters is not much but I think it would work as long as you get the height about right. You might need to toe them in some as well.
/Karl
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