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Post by optical on May 19, 2022 13:49:47 GMT
Hi there,
the old man (hi dad) is after some omnidirectional speakers as they will likely better suit his 'casual' off-axis listening style (we have had words regarding this but he's made up!).
Duevel
Ohm Walsh
Kingsound
and any other usual suspects would be welcome.
Budget up to around 2k but could be increased for the right speaker.
Can collect from most places in the UK or indeed arrange a courier.
Cheers
Chris
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Post by antonio on May 19, 2022 14:45:56 GMT
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Post by optical on May 19, 2022 18:51:07 GMT
Dave, had I won the debate of words I would not be putting up an ad for omnidirectional speakers so we know who's still the wise elder in the family don't we ..... Thanks for the recommendations there |
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Post by misterc on May 19, 2022 19:04:48 GMT
Arc's LOL where's me naim
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Post by antonio on May 20, 2022 4:54:32 GMT
You don't need Naim amps with with Arc's Tony, Dynavector and Plinius were often recommended for Obelisk's due to their high current capability.
What amp is your father using Chris?
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Post by optical on May 20, 2022 7:46:26 GMT
You don't need Naim amps with with Arc's Tony, Dynavector and Plinius were often recommended for Obelisk's due to their high current capability. What amp is your father using Chris? It's a Musical Fidelity M6 Encore 225 streamer with 225w. It's decent, more function over outright SQ in my opinion but like I say he's not exactly the critical listener these days, hence the search for an omni. |
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Post by misterc on May 20, 2022 8:15:46 GMT
You don't need Naim amps with with Arc's Tony, Dynavector and Plinius were often recommended for Obelisk's due to their high current capability. What amp is your father using Chris? Oh, Dave you have no idea of the pain I went through with the swan off footstools on casters over the years 
One amplifier that did actually work well with them was the Dynavector HX1.2 (Pear audio combo), if you had the space and could bring the into the room with quality current then they were a flat earthers' dream, with an ideal set up they produced a pleasing sound. BUT very few owmers ever achieved this much to their dismay
Why not ask Jerry about his MBL's he has had them for around a decade and is very happy
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Post by jandl100 on May 20, 2022 9:24:29 GMT
Ah, well, yes, MBLs.
My experience is that they do have a sweet spot, and that sitting in the conventional stereo seat is very much advantageous.
But I guess Chris's dad is not into the imaging thing at all.
... Which would be a real shame as omnis generally image like f***.
But MBLs are in a higher price band anyway.
But of course the main advantage of omnis in this particular context is tonally, the high frequencies don't drop off as you listen off axis. I guess that's the whole point here.
I've heard Duevel speakers and enjoyed them a lot. Certainly worth a listen.
I'm not sure about the lateral frequency distribution of Arc speakers ... I know they squirt the higher frequencies around a bit, but are they designed to do this uniformly?
I see Kingsound mentioned... I didn't know they did omnis, I thought they were Electrostatics?
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Post by optical on May 20, 2022 10:54:29 GMT
Ah, well, yes, MBLs. My experience is that they do have a sweet spot, and that sitting in the conventional stereo seat is very much advantageous. But I guess Chris's dad is not into the imaging thing at all. ... Which would be a real shame as omnis generally image like f***. But MBLs are in a higher price band anyway. But of course the main advantage of omnis in this particular context is tonally, the high frequencies don't drop off as you listen off axis. I guess that's the whole point here. I've heard Duevel speakers and enjoyed them a lot. Certainly worth a listen. I'm not sure about the lateral frequency distribution of Arc speakers ... I know they squirt the higher frequencies around a bit, but are they designed to do this uniformly? I see Kingsound mentioned... I didn't know they did omnis, I thought they were Electrostatics? I wouldn't say my dad isn't into imaging or any other particular aspect of speaker performance, more so he now simply values the ability of a speaker to play as well as possible from off axis listening positions. It's unlikely that a speaker that plays incredibly well in one particular spot will sound that good (or even close) in various other listening positions. (Most) Omnidirectional speakers are designed to be a good 'compromise' between these philosophies from the beginning. Having to 'disperse' the sound over a wider area, you'll invariably meet a design crossroads where one path leads to a better sound in one place and one leads to a better sound in all others, but with compromise in regards to ultimate SQ. I'm sure the higher end ones (Like Jerry's MBL's) probably have less or even none of these design compromises but they would be too much of a stretch really. |
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Post by jandl100 on May 20, 2022 11:40:26 GMT
Shamelessly copied from a post made today on the Wigwam Shahinian Owners thread...
"... I then opted to a more powerful integerated amp, a Musical Fidelity M6si (220W/ch @ 8ohms). This has achieved nirvana with the Obelisks and now I wouldn't change a thing."
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Post by optical on May 20, 2022 11:49:36 GMT
Shamelessly copied from a post made today on the Wigwam Shahinian Owners thread... "... I then opted to a more powerful integerated amp, a Musical Fidelity M6si (220W/ch @ 8ohms). This has achieved nirvana with the Obelisks and now I wouldn't change a thing." Very interesting Jerry, cheers |
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Post by lurch on May 20, 2022 17:05:09 GMT
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Post by antonio on May 20, 2022 17:34:11 GMT
Excellent recommendation John, loved my Cubes, only negative could be if the ceiling height in the room is very high.
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Post by optical on May 20, 2022 18:29:17 GMT
I've heard they sound very good, I'm sure they'd fit the bill SQ wise however he's not going to go for those looks, no sir-ee! I'm a function over form guy everytime, but he's not going to entertain their aesthetics im afraid. To be fair they do have to sit in the lounge alongside some minimalist Scandinavian style decor (pine/birchwood etc). Shame, as I'm sure they sound very good indeed. Thanks for the recommendation |
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Post by lurch on May 20, 2022 19:39:41 GMT
Do a Blue Peter and get stuck into the sticky back plastic, am sure they do Scandavian wood effect. 😂😂😂
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Post by optical on May 20, 2022 19:46:40 GMT
Do a Blue Peter and get stuck into the sticky back plastic, am sure they do Scandavian wood effect. 😂😂😂 Would probably end up looking more like Tracey Island to be fair 🤣 |
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Post by antonio on May 21, 2022 4:30:50 GMT
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Post by brucew268 on May 21, 2022 7:59:10 GMT
I've heard they sound very good, I'm sure they'd fit the bill SQ wise however he's not going to go for those looks, no sir-ee! I'm a function over form guy everytime, but he's not going to entertain their aesthetics im afraid. To be fair they do have to sit in the lounge alongside some minimalist Scandinavian style decor (pine/birchwood etc). Shame, as I'm sure they sound very good indeed. Thanks for the recommendation Not omni's but the Buchardt S400 Mkii with its controlled directivity is designed to perform very well off axis... and is Scandi! |
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Post by antonio on May 27, 2022 4:45:03 GMT
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Post by macca on May 27, 2022 8:05:50 GMT
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Post by optical on May 28, 2022 11:50:22 GMT
Great suggestion, thanks, I might actually look into those myself and skip telling the old man 🤣 Only kidding..... |
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Post by optical on May 28, 2022 12:00:13 GMT
Okay chaps just to update this, my dad has decided that considering the cost of a good pair of proper Omni's (which he's staunch on) and the risk of old drivers/caps having to be replaced on any second hand pair, a new pair will be the way to go.
He's decided on a pair Duevel Venus's at a fairly heavily discounted price just to avoid the hassle of second hand and obviously with the benefit and peace of mind the warranty and dealer support brings.
Thanks for all the suggestions, much appreciated.
I'll update with some pics and impressions when they arrive.
Cheers
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Post by jandl100 on May 28, 2022 12:27:42 GMT
Duevel Venus.
A genuine omni design.
They look seriously cool, and much like a pair of Duevel I heard at the Wigwam Scalford show quite a few years ago (I can't recall the model) , which sounded great.
I can't imagine your dad being disappointed.
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Post by antonio on May 28, 2022 12:47:12 GMT
Just had a look at the Venus, I'm sure this was the model (or replacement model) we heard at Walrus, we were both impressed, well done your Dad for biting the bullet  Where is he buying them from? Get him on the forum, us oldies can then discuss our aches and pains |
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Post by Bigman80 on May 28, 2022 12:49:46 GMT
Okay chaps just to update this, my dad has decided that considering the cost of a good pair of proper Omni's (which he's staunch on) and the risk of old drivers/caps having to be replaced on any second hand pair, a new pair will be the way to go. He's decided on a pair Duevel Venus's at a fairly heavily discounted price just to avoid the hassle of second hand and obviously with the benefit and peace of mind the warranty and dealer support brings. Thanks for all the suggestions, much appreciated. I'll update with some pics and impressions when they arrive. Cheers Well done Optical dad. A wise decision I think. |
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Post by brucew268 on May 28, 2022 12:52:18 GMT
He's decided on a pair Duevel Venus's at a fairly heavily discounted price just to avoid the hassle of second hand and obviously with the benefit and peace of mind the warranty and dealer support brings. That's a bit of art! If they sound half as good as they look, he should be happy. |
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Post by optical on May 28, 2022 13:04:40 GMT
Just had a look at the Venus, I'm sure this was the model (or replacement model) we heard at Walrus, we were both impressed, well done your Dad for biting the bullet Where is he buying them from? Get him on the forum, us oldies can then discuss our aches and pains He gave Analogue Seduction a ring and haggled a bit I think, old school. Hard cash still has a lot of sway over trading in/part ex or finance etc.... They are extremely good looking which was a major part of the equation. Hopefully someone will buy his Penaudio's soon (the speaker I'd prefer to be fair) and he won't be too far off a relatively minor net spend. |
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