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Post by antonio on Mar 11, 2022 8:06:54 GMT
Your spot on there Macca, energy companies should never have been privatised, neither should the water supply companies. They just needed running like a private companies, something that never seemed to be done correctly when nationalised. When reading this thread I see some are getting their electric and gas from companies I've never heard of.
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Post by macca on Mar 11, 2022 8:45:21 GMT
I'd put all the senior management on fixed term contracts that only get renewed if they perform.
You don't need business geniuses to run a water or power company. There's no room for innovation, there's no competition, there's no new products you have to bring to market. Just manage the existing processes competently and everyone's happy.
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Post by stevew on Mar 13, 2022 10:19:15 GMT
France: EDF was ordered by its 80% shareholder, the French government, to cap energy price rise at 4%. Investors take the hit.
Britain: Chancellor offers compulsory loans to consumers and allows Cap to rise 54% on the same day.
This is applicable from April. Just wait till October
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 13, 2022 10:22:12 GMT
France: EDF was ordered by its 80% shareholder, the French government, to cap energy price rise at 4%. Investors take the hit. Britain: Chancellor offers compulsory loans to consumers and allows Cap to rise 54% on the same day. This is applicable from April. Just wait till October British government have little to no stake in energy. They sold it all off, so no power to do that.
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Post by macca on Mar 13, 2022 10:29:28 GMT
They do have the power that's what the price cap is. But if they cap it too low all the 'energy providers' aka 'pointless middle-men' will go bust.
The difference is that in France if the people are not happy they go out and rip up the streets.
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Post by pete on Mar 13, 2022 10:37:24 GMT
They do have the power that's what the price cap is. But if they cap it too low all the 'energy providers' aka 'pointless middle-men' will go bust. The difference is that in France if the people are not happy they go out and rip up the streets. Yep, and we are just letting the government take the power to do that away from us
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Post by macca on Mar 13, 2022 10:59:10 GMT
well it's always been an illegal activity in both countries, the difference is that in France it's regarded as standard practice, in the UK it isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2022 11:30:33 GMT
Yes, but the French only rip up the streets if it is not raining. I believe that it is going to kick off on Monday, due to fuel prices. I think they are going to block the Autoroutes, basically crippling logistics.
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Post by pete on Mar 13, 2022 11:30:51 GMT
well it's always been an illegal activity in both countries, the difference is that in France it's regarded as standard practice, in the UK it isn't. I have been on a number of protests over the years as have friends and people I know, so amongst some groups it is standard practice, but agree, not for the majority in UK
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Post by macca on Mar 13, 2022 11:43:12 GMT
well it's always been an illegal activity in both countries, the difference is that in France it's regarded as standard practice, in the UK it isn't. I have been on a number of protests over the years as have friends and people I know, so amongst some groups it is standard practice, but agree, not for the majority in UK A protest march is one thing, ripping up the cobbles and chucking them at the cops is another. I think the last time we had the latter here was the Poll Tax Riots, unless there's been one since that I've forgotten. I can't think of a protest march that ever achieved it's aim, no matter how many people went on it. Nobody cares. Ripping up the cobbles and chucking them at the cops can occasionally get results. Not that I'm condoning that of course. There's other ways to get a result for the working man that don't involve wrecking the built environment. But no-one's interested in those and I'm too old and cynical to give a toss either way these days.
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Post by stevew on Mar 13, 2022 11:44:01 GMT
The words ‘windfall’ and ‘tax’ spring to mind.
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Post by macca on Mar 13, 2022 11:47:53 GMT
but how do you force their hand to give you the windfall tax? That's the key. Protest march? Forget it. You have to game the system, not fight it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2022 11:49:14 GMT
We had some protests in Bristol recently. Statues toppled, police vehicles burnt etc.
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Post by macca on Mar 13, 2022 11:50:43 GMT
We had some protests in Bristol recently. Statues toppled, police vehicles burnt etc. And the end result was they got a statue of someone no-one ever heard of moved to a museum. Power to the people.
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Post by pete on Mar 13, 2022 11:57:28 GMT
I have been on a number of protests over the years as have friends and people I know, so amongst some groups it is standard practice, but agree, not for the majority in UK A protest march is one thing, ripping up the cobbles and chucking them at the cops is another. I think the last time we had the latter here was the Poll Tax Riots, unless there's been one since that I've forgotten. I can't think of a protest march that ever achieved it's aim, no matter how many people went on it. Nobody cares. Ripping up the cobbles and chucking them at the cops can occasionally get results. Not that I'm condoning that of course. There's other ways to get a result for the working man that don't involve wrecking the built environment. But no-one's interested in those and I'm too old and cynical to give a toss either way these days. Don't know about that. There have been actions in recent years that have divided opinions, when I mention them here I am sure it will have the same ...Extinction Rebellion, Insulate Britain and Just Stop Oil. And you are never too old!!
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Post by pete on Mar 13, 2022 12:00:48 GMT
We had some protests in Bristol recently. Statues toppled, police vehicles burnt etc. And the end result was they got a statue of someone no-one ever heard of moved to a museum. Power to the people. Have to disagree with that Colston has been a figure that has deeply divided the community for as long as I can remember and has been detested by many. This is getting a bit political though, back to the music for me.
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Post by macca on Mar 13, 2022 12:10:31 GMT
And the end result was they got a statue of someone no-one ever heard of moved to a museum. Power to the people. , back to the music for me. Yes it's about that time of day isn't it?
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Post by stevew on Mar 13, 2022 12:40:53 GMT
, back to the music for me. Yes it's about that time of day isn't it? Yeah.. probably right Pete. Too many forums split by politics and ego’s.
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Post by antonio on Mar 14, 2022 5:57:22 GMT
well it's always been an illegal activity in both countries, the difference is that in France it's regarded as standard practice, in the UK it isn't. I have been on a number of protests over the years as have friends and people I know, so amongst some groups it is standard practice, but agree, not for the majority in UK Oli, make a mental note 'Pete = Troublemaker'
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Post by stevew on Mar 30, 2022 19:55:07 GMT
Just a gentle reminder.. Get your meter reading numbers to your provider tomorrow. I’m also going to take pics in case of any dispute. After midnight tomorrow the rates jump.
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Post by mikeyb on Mar 30, 2022 21:13:04 GMT
Queue the website 'crashes' tomorrow 😉
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Post by stevew on Mar 31, 2022 7:05:02 GMT
Queue the website 'crashes' tomorrow 😉 Good point. Even more reason to take a photo.
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Post by mikeyb on Mar 31, 2022 8:14:12 GMT
Queue the website 'crashes' tomorrow 😉 Good point. Even more reason to take a photo. I've done my dad's just mine to do now
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Post by stevew on Mar 31, 2022 8:30:00 GMT
Good point. Even more reason to take a photo. I've done my dad's just mine to do now Oh Sh#t.. you were right Mike. Can’t get onto SoEnergy now. Oh well.. will keep trying
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Post by mikeyb on Mar 31, 2022 8:36:11 GMT
I've done my dad's just mine to do now Oh Sh#t.. you were right Mike. Can’t get onto SoEnergy now. Oh well.. will keep trying No surprise there, funny how it glitches today of all days, coincidence? Don't think so!
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Post by mikeyb on Mar 31, 2022 10:19:20 GMT
Lo and behold Octopus Energy at it as well, the bastards. They know exactly what they're doing ðŸ˜
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Post by mikeyb on Mar 31, 2022 11:03:41 GMT
Got in eventually, readings submitted, screenshots taken, mask and weapons set aside for raiding the local post office later, a man's gotta earn 😂
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Post by brian2957 on Mar 31, 2022 11:49:00 GMT
I've done my dad's just mine to do now Oh Sh#t.. you were right Mike. Can’t get onto SoEnergy now. Oh well.. will keep trying Same here Steve. The SoEnergy site is down and their phone number is just ringing once then becomes disengaged I've takes photos of my meter reading as advised. Thanks chaps.
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Post by pete on Mar 31, 2022 12:08:36 GMT
From Octopus site:
We're super busy today so you might have a long wait if you call.
The best day to give us a meter reading is this Saturday (our standard variable prices don't change until 00:00 Saturday 2nd April.) Make a note of your readings or take a photo of them on Saturday. When we receive this reading we will apply it to your account from 00:00 midnight on the Saturday. You will have a week to submit them to us, so please don't worry if you can't get it to us that day.
Smart meter customers do not need to send us a reading. If you're on a Fixed tariff, it's always good to submit regular readings, but your prices won't be changing so we don't necessarily need one right now.
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Post by brian2957 on Mar 31, 2022 12:20:06 GMT
Oh Sh#t.. you were right Mike. Can’t get onto SoEnergy now. Oh well.. will keep trying No surprise there, funny how it glitches today of all days, coincidence? Don't think so! Just managed to get my readings on to the SoEnergy site just now Steve. It's worth persevering.
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