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Post by stryder5 on Dec 11, 2021 17:18:34 GMT
Forgot to detail this, I wanted to put my turntable on a Sound Organization wall shelf
The wall I wanted to use I found was a kind of stud wall, but really crumbly board.
I had some adhesive hooks that I had used to mount various pictures to similar walls.
I tested one of these by trying to use force to remove it, it wasn’t going to move!
Soo....positioning 6 of these on the wall to correspond with mounting shelf holes I hooked the the shelf on and ran away......lol.
At this point no turntable put on shelf.
Came back next morning.....still there and feeling solid.
my turntable about 10kgs I guess, positioned on shelf.....still there.
You can see these mounts on the picture of my rack on the post about number of boxes.
Gary
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Post by sq225917 on Dec 11, 2021 18:35:29 GMT
Hell no, I wouldn't even use screw through plugs on a stud wall, not u less into 2x4 battens.
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 11, 2021 18:55:54 GMT
Jesus wept, Gary......I'm nervous reading that.
I've got 4" bolts into brickwork holding my TT on the wall ... I actually sat on it (19st) just to make sure it was ok....
You are a braver man than me!
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Post by stryder5 on Dec 11, 2021 21:08:11 GMT
I know, I thought I was being mad, but it works. Well isolated too the metal hooks are imbedded in the plastic and the shelf is held about 12mm from the wall.
Modern adhesives are used in the most arduous conditions.
Obviously I’ll eat my words when it falls off......
I’m confident!
Gary
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 11, 2021 21:45:17 GMT
I know, I thought I was being mad, but it works. Well isolated too the metal hooks are imbedded in the plastic and the shelf is held about 12mm from the wall. Modern adhesives are used in the most arduous conditions. Obviously I’ll eat my words when it falls off...... I’m confident! Gary Lol....I hope you don't have to! |
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Post by antonio on Dec 11, 2021 23:29:36 GMT
My reaction when reading your op Gary was the same as Bigman's, but after reading your modern adhesives quote, it is true, they can hold in the most arduous of conditions. Do you have a link to the glue you used?
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Post by karma67 on Dec 12, 2021 6:57:44 GMT
if the glue isn't the weak point then the paper backing on the plaster board will be. i hope it holds up for you
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Post by macca on Dec 12, 2021 9:03:24 GMT
I think I'd have tested with a 10 kilo weight for a week or so first before risking putting the turntable up on it.
Those sticky hooks are a bastard to get off if you want to get them off, but when you want them to stay up Sod's Law seems to apply.
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Post by brucew268 on Dec 12, 2021 10:14:26 GMT
There are these adhesive things called 'Command Strips' for picture frames, etc and rated for certain weight ranges. However, I mounted a light small pine shelf with just a few 'knick knacks' probably not more than 1/4 of the rated weight. It was great... for a month or two and then fell down one night in our sleep. I doubled the number of command strips, cleaned with alcohol, made an angle of force adjustment. Again great... for two weeks and then fell down. Broke a few things in the process.
Builder beware.
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Post by stryder5 on Dec 12, 2021 16:32:20 GMT
My reaction when reading your op Gary was the same as Bigman's, but after reading your modern adhesives quote, it is true, they can hold in the most arduous of conditions. Do you have a link to the glue you used? It was a Methacrylate I can’t make out which one but it’s 3M, I’ve used this before in one of my previous working lives bonding metals and plastics, even trying to “peel” apart the joint would rather destroy the substrate. Gary |
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Post by stryder5 on Dec 12, 2021 16:36:02 GMT
There are these adhesive things called 'Command Strips' for picture frames, etc and rated for certain weight ranges. However, I mounted a light small pine shelf with just a few 'knick knacks' probably not more than 1/4 of the rated weight. It was great... for a month or two and then fell down one night in our sleep. I doubled the number of command strips, cleaned with alcohol, made an angle of force adjustment. Again great... for two weeks and then fell down. Broke a few things in the process. Builder beware. Yes I’ve come across these, their claim is they’re as easy to remove as fix so a no brainer. I hope I didn’t give the impression I was using anything like these....far from it. Gary |
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Post by sq225917 on Dec 12, 2021 23:22:00 GMT
There's loads of good glues , pu holds supercars together, but that's on perfectly smooth chemically prepped surfaces, not Sh#t paint onto lame paper coated substrate or dusty brick.
Bolts into brick or rawl plugs into studs. Nothing less.
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Post by jandl100 on Dec 14, 2021 8:03:05 GMT
Phew. I'd be very wary of doing this.
It's not just the weight, it's the 'moment' (technical term) of the mass pulling down a distance away from the wall - think of it as leverage tugging at the supporting surface.
As sq says, it's not the brick wall that's doing the supporting in this case, it's whatever makes up the surface of the wall.
Sadly, I'm expecting this to end in disaster.
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Post by stryder5 on Dec 14, 2021 10:43:55 GMT
You know I’m so confidence in my technical knowledge and ability, I’m not so good at criticism, only in joke form.
Put your money where your comments are £100 says it won’t fail. Put your money where you’re mouth is.
Gary
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Post by brucew268 on Dec 14, 2021 11:12:33 GMT
We have good wishes for you but it's your turntable your choice. Don't take it personally if we don't follow your example... even if it's still standing afixxed to that crumbly plaster board in six months' time.
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Post by macca on Dec 14, 2021 11:41:58 GMT
You know I’m so confidence in my technical knowledge and ability, I’m not so good at criticism, only in joke form. Put your money where your comments are £100 says it won’t fail. Put your money where you’re mouth is. Gary It will deffo fall down when the sun goes nova so you probably need a timescale on that bet  |
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Post by stryder5 on Dec 14, 2021 12:57:56 GMT
You know I’m so confidence in my technical knowledge and ability, I’m not so good at criticism, only in joke form. Put your money where your comments are £100 says it won’t fail. Put your money where you’re mouth is. Gary It will deffo fall down when the sun goes nova so you probably need a timescale on that bet Sh#t, hadn’t thought of that, timescales gone  Gary |
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Post by stryder5 on Dec 14, 2021 13:14:26 GMT
We have good wishes for you but it's your turntable your choice. Don't take it personally if we don't follow your example... even if it's still standing afixxed to that crumbly plaster board in six months' time. I missed the part in the thread title which said “I recommend others should do this’! Gary |
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Post by jandl100 on Dec 14, 2021 13:16:50 GMT
You've no need to worry about the sun going nova, it's too small for that.
In about 5 billion years it will expand, maybe sufficiently to engulf Earth's orbit. But the atmosphere will have vanished way before that anyway. That may affect the performance of the adhesive, so the shelf may fall at that point.
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Post by brucew268 on Dec 14, 2021 13:30:26 GMT
We have good wishes for you but it's your turntable your choice. Don't take it personally if we don't follow your example... even if it's still standing afixxed to that crumbly plaster board in six months' time. I missed the part in the thread title which said “I recommend others should do this’! Gary You put stuff out on a forum for public conversation, you get public conversation! |
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Post by macca on Dec 14, 2021 13:31:47 GMT
You're the astronomy guy Jerry.
An asteroid impact might take it down. Or a tidal wave. How high above sea level are you Gary? I'm not taking this bet until I've studied the form.
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Post by stryder5 on Dec 14, 2021 13:53:19 GMT
I missed the part in the thread title which said “I recommend others should do this’! Gary You put stuff out on a forum for public conversation, you get public conversation! Yep, arseholes will always be arseholes. Gary |
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Post by brucew268 on Dec 14, 2021 14:00:44 GMT
You put stuff out on a forum for public conversation, you get public conversation! Yep, arseholes will always be arseholes. Gary Are you saying you thought my responses were said in seriousness?! I thought this was all light-hearted banter, not subject of offense or name-calling. |
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Post by brucew268 on Dec 14, 2021 14:03:50 GMT
Perhaps we are missing each other. In the communities where I've lived much of my life, the phrase "...but don't take it personally if..." is a lighthearted joking statement about the future, not some sort of accusation of what one has been doing.
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Post by optical on Dec 14, 2021 14:07:05 GMT
Let's try and keep it light chaps.
It's sometimes difficult to convey sarcasm/banter using the written word only. I'm sure no malice is intended by any party but would be smart to keep the convo towards mounting TT's to walls etc.
If it does fall off, will Gary post that and pay up ?!?! THAT is the question here . . . .
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Post by stryder5 on Dec 14, 2021 15:16:48 GMT
Let's try and keep it light chaps. It's sometimes difficult to convey sarcasm/banter using the written word only. I'm sure no malice is intended by any party but would be smart to keep the convo towards mounting TT's to walls etc. If it does fall off, will Gary post that and pay up ?!?! THAT is the question here . . . . Nobody has taken the bet....THAT’s the question here! Gary |
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Post by stryder5 on Dec 14, 2021 15:20:16 GMT
You put stuff out on a forum for public conversation, you get public conversation! Yep, arseholes will always be arseholes. Gary But don’t take it personally? Gary |
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Post by optical on Dec 14, 2021 15:21:46 GMT
Let's try and keep it light chaps. It's sometimes difficult to convey sarcasm/banter using the written word only. I'm sure no malice is intended by any party but would be smart to keep the convo towards mounting TT's to walls etc. If it does fall off, will Gary post that and pay up ?!?! THAT is the question here . . . . Nobody has taken the bet....THAT’s the question here! Gary A ringing endorsement for your chosen adhesive and DIY skills I'd say Gary . . . . Still don't fancy it would take our host's 19st though! (Information volunteered by himself) . . . . although he's not exactly 5,6' is he . . . |
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Post by stryder5 on Dec 14, 2021 15:35:42 GMT
Nobody has taken the bet....THAT’s the question here! Gary A ringing endorsement for your chosen adhesive and DIY skills I'd say Gary . . . . Still don't fancy it would take our host's 19st though! (Information volunteered by himself) . . . . although he's not exactly 5,6' is he . . . I wouldn’t take his 19st, though we did think we were twins on another thread......lol Gary |
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Post by rexton on Dec 14, 2021 15:55:48 GMT
Bit late to this one. I'm with Oli, I'd only go with some heavy duty fittings.
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