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Post by firebottle on Nov 2, 2021 17:23:28 GMT
A DAC, if good enough, will find a way to disrupt your listening habits and your dependence on vinyl That's what happened here. Interestingly I am having a reverse experience with the prototype BBU making music..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 17:28:04 GMT
A DAC, if good enough, will find a way to disrupt your listening habits and your dependence on vinyl That's what happened here. Interestingly I am having a reverse experience with the prototype BBU making music.. You’ll need to upgrade your DAC again then?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 17:28:27 GMT
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Post by stryder5 on Nov 2, 2021 17:58:59 GMT
Yes, a brief membership because I'd been told that he answers messages on there. He did and he was f#cking useless. I admire your tolerance mate. One thing that made me buy BB3 is your service minded approach. I would never have bought it if I had to wait for an answer 3-4 days. Service and support is the key to happy customer. Just a thought of having to chase someone to give him my money is mind boggling to me, despite how good a product is. stryder5 Think I got the same treatment. Bummer for him as I will look for something else. There are many companies who are much more service minded. Can you imagine the frustration if something needs to get serviced. I think Firebottle had another make of R-2R DAC (before he realised he had too much money) that was highly rated, Magician? Gary
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 18:06:30 GMT
A Pegasus IIRC.
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Post by firebottle on Nov 2, 2021 18:34:14 GMT
Yes a Musician Pegasus, which I modified by replacing the SMPS feeding the digital circuitry. It was pretty much on a par with the modified Soekris of Oli's but with a little bit more body to the timbre.
Only a small difference though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2021 20:31:44 GMT
There is a Mutec MC3+ USB job bike that has popped up in Eorope on audio mart.de for €650 if anybody is interested in a silver one.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 2, 2021 21:01:40 GMT
Yes a Musician Pegasus, which I modified by replacing the SMPS feeding the digital circuitry. It was pretty much on a par with the modified Soekris of Oli's but with a little bit more body to the timbre. Only a small difference though. I don't think I agree. It was better for the modification, but the Soekris showed it to be veiled and it definitely did not the have the resolution. I wouldn't recommend one
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Post by firebottle on Nov 2, 2021 21:26:57 GMT
Ah yes I had forgotten the difference. Not bad for an R-2R at the price point.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 2, 2021 22:01:15 GMT
Ah yes I had forgotten the difference. Not bad for an R-2R at the price point. I thought you had, easily done as the Holo threw more into the mix. That's the best DAC we had here...but only when the Mutec went in did it show it's real ability
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Post by antonio on Nov 3, 2021 2:32:15 GMT
Please don't tell everyone you MUST have a Mutec to make your dac sound good, there are many users of various dacs who I am sure have never even heard of Mutec and are contented with how their dac is performing, me for one.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 3, 2021 6:43:13 GMT
Please don't tell everyone you MUST have a Mutec to make your dac sound good, there are many users of various dacs who I am sure have never even heard of Mutec and are contented with how their dac is performing, me for one. No I'm not saying you MUST have one. Ignorance is bliss, after all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 8:24:39 GMT
Thoughts on the MHDT Havana?
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Post by macca on Nov 3, 2021 8:30:09 GMT
Fear of missing out is the basic driver behind sales of a lot of equipment. Having a good sound but worrying that it could be even better with the latest box of tricks.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 3, 2021 8:33:24 GMT
Thoughts on the MHDT Havana? None as yet.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 3, 2021 8:40:52 GMT
Thoughts on the MHDT Havana? The DAC chip: FEATURES ● SERIAL INPUT ● –92dB MAX THD: FS Input, K Grade ● –74dB MAX THD: –20dB Input, K Grade ● 96dB DYNAMIC RANGE ● NO EXTERNAL COMPONENTS REQUIRED ● 16-BIT RESOLUTION ● 15-BIT MONOTONICITY, TYP ● 0.001% OF FSR TYP DIFFERENTIAL LINEARITY ERROR ● 1.5µs SETTLING TIME, TYP: Voltage Out ● ±3V OR ±1mA AUDIO OUTPUT ● EIAJ STC-007-COMPATIBLE ● OPERATES ON ±5V TO ±12V SUPPLIES ● PINOUT ALLOWS IOUT OPTION ● PLASTIC DIP OR SOIC PACKAGE It's very old technology. DAC chip of is an R-2R... Not keen on the caps, as they are bound to be metalized polypropylene, rather than film and foil. Highlighted here: www.diyaudioblog.com/2017/06/modifying-mhdt-havana-dac.html?m=1 Power supply isnt shielded from the rest of the PCB. No AES
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 9:02:13 GMT
Fear of missing out is the basic driver behind sales of a lot of equipment. Having a good sound but worrying that it could be even better with the latest box of tricks. I am not missing out. Spotted one for the price of a night out… It would be a gamble, but it is a R2R with a tube output. Trust me, I am in no hurry to spend big bucks… I am in the countryside, no stereo, so passing my time over breakfast browsing the French Version of Gumtree.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 9:03:46 GMT
Thoughts on the MHDT Havana? The DAC chip: FEATURES ● SERIAL INPUT ● –92dB MAX THD: FS Input, K Grade ● –74dB MAX THD: –20dB Input, K Grade ● 96dB DYNAMIC RANGE ● NO EXTERNAL COMPONENTS REQUIRED ● 16-BIT RESOLUTION ● 15-BIT MONOTONICITY, TYP ● 0.001% OF FSR TYP DIFFERENTIAL LINEARITY ERROR ● 1.5µs SETTLING TIME, TYP: Voltage Out ● ±3V OR ±1mA AUDIO OUTPUT ● EIAJ STC-007-COMPATIBLE ● OPERATES ON ±5V TO ±12V SUPPLIES ● PINOUT ALLOWS IOUT OPTION ● PLASTIC DIP OR SOIC PACKAGE It's very old technology. DAC chip of is an R-2R... Not keen on the caps, as they are bound to be metalized polypropylene, rather than film and foil. Highlighted here: www.diyaudioblog.com/2017/06/modifying-mhdt-havana-dac.html?m=1 Power supply isnt shielded from the rest of the PCB. No AES Yes, it is old. No AES is not a blocking point for me. Having another look at it, and the info you have linked to, I will stay clear of it.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 3, 2021 9:08:07 GMT
The DAC chip: FEATURES ● SERIAL INPUT ● –92dB MAX THD: FS Input, K Grade ● –74dB MAX THD: –20dB Input, K Grade ● 96dB DYNAMIC RANGE ● NO EXTERNAL COMPONENTS REQUIRED ● 16-BIT RESOLUTION ● 15-BIT MONOTONICITY, TYP ● 0.001% OF FSR TYP DIFFERENTIAL LINEARITY ERROR ● 1.5µs SETTLING TIME, TYP: Voltage Out ● ±3V OR ±1mA AUDIO OUTPUT ● EIAJ STC-007-COMPATIBLE ● OPERATES ON ±5V TO ±12V SUPPLIES ● PINOUT ALLOWS IOUT OPTION ● PLASTIC DIP OR SOIC PACKAGE It's very old technology. DAC chip of is an R-2R... Not keen on the caps, as they are bound to be metalized polypropylene, rather than film and foil. Highlighted here: www.diyaudioblog.com/2017/06/modifying-mhdt-havana-dac.html?m=1 Power supply isnt shielded from the rest of the PCB. No AES Yes, it is old. No AES is not a blocking point for me. Reading around, the reports are that it sounds very warm That would annoy me, but your ears, your system
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 9:15:33 GMT
It is also overpriced. So it is a no go. Thanks.
I am just looking for a bargain vintage DAC, as let’s face it, R-2R is not new technology.
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Post by firebottle on Nov 3, 2021 9:19:50 GMT
Have you seen the distortion figures at lower levels, they are shite. It is a similar tech to the 1543, I have had a dac with one of those and they are really grainy.
Avoid is my advice.
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Post by optical on Nov 3, 2021 9:22:54 GMT
It is also overpriced. So it is a no go. Thanks. I am just looking for a bargain vintage DAC, as let’s face it, R-2R is not new technology. I have no experience with it but this looks interesting: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165107296548?hash=item2671296924:g:u5wAAOSwg2xhWrFsI know you said R2R but I'm a huge fan of the TDA1541 chip. It has all that analogue lovelyness . . . . It has two proper toroidal transformers, one for digital side and one for analogue. The MHDT dac's are quite well liked but I did once hear a "Canary" I think it was along side my Musical Paradise MP D2 DAC, the Musical Paradise trumped it in every department, although I concede it was a different model to the one being discussed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 9:54:48 GMT
Have you seen the distortion figures at lower levels, they are shite. It is a similar tech to the 1543, I have had a dac with one of those and they are really grainy. Avoid is my advice. Not got that far, as I was wondering if anyone knew about these. There is enough good advice to leave it where it is. I have a saves search for a Soekris on eBay. I think anything from a 1421 up will be good.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 18:03:54 GMT
And what do these devices like an SoTM 200 Neo bring to the party? I am guessing it is like a Pi in a fancy box?
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 3, 2021 18:39:43 GMT
And what do these devices like an SoTM 200 Neo bring to the party? I am guessing it is like a Pi in a fancy box? Varying reports. I know the "ultra" does a good job, because I've heard one. But other than that, I don't know. USB only though. Probably need a decent LPSU?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 18:50:08 GMT
Having read around , people ple suggest that these rendering devices help with the sound quality.
Some of them go for reasonable prices used. The Ultra is not one of those. USB only is not a problem.
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Post by antonio on Nov 4, 2021 1:17:02 GMT
It is also overpriced. So it is a no go. Thanks. I am just looking for a bargain vintage DAC, as let’s face it, R-2R is not new technology. I have no experience with it but this looks interesting: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165107296548?hash=item2671296924:g:u5wAAOSwg2xhWrFsI know you said R2R but I'm a huge fan of the TDA1541 chip. It has all that analogue lovelyness . . . . It has two proper toroidal transformers, one for digital side and one for analogue. The MHDT dac's are quite well liked but I did once hear a "Canary" I think it was along side my Musical Paradise MP D2 DAC, the Musical Paradise trumped it in every department, although I concede it was a different model to the one being discussed. Nice find, I see he also has a cheaper one that has usb input. Time for me to throw another spanner into Cagey's search for a dac, never heard it but my money would be on it being very good, sorry Kevin doge.audio/product/doge-7-tube-dac/
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2021 6:45:12 GMT
The Doge may be good, but there is little chance of finding one second hand…
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Post by jazzcat on Nov 4, 2021 7:22:39 GMT
The Foge may be good, but there is little chance of finding one second hand… Mhdt has a EU reseller with two weeks return window. You’re based in EU? Maybe worth a try?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2021 7:24:27 GMT
I am trying to stick to a sensible budget…
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