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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2021 2:01:21 GMT
Seeing is believing.
For me, the same as listening, especially in the music enjoyment field, today I’d like to write this article to share my humble insights, hope you guys can also share your opinions after reviewing! For years, audiophiles around the world have argued about the effect of signal optimization, no matter it’s for network or power, even the data transmission route, this is certainly interesting, as we all know the digital data is formed by 0 & 1, so most people only care about the parts when the music presented as analog, which are, how the artists record their music, what equipment they apply and what digital format the music being transformed to, and the performance of the speakers, since they can directly generate the sounds for people to hear. Attachment DeletedWhen the music is shown as 0 & 1, people tend to think that these data would keep their origins no matter how they’re being transmitted or received, because they are digital, it’s irrational to think these 0 & 1s would become 0.5 or 0.34, well, that’s damn true, but, 0 & 1 are their appearances, not what they entail, also, the scientific truth is that because the digital signal has much better tolerance for interference, so if it’s not too severe, human beings can barely notice, but as Hi-Res and Hi-Fi formats showed up, more data needs to be processed during the transmission, so if you play the music by very hi-end equipment, so-called “ Audiophile Quality “, then yes, you’d notice the differences. Try imaging that you’re driving from east coast to west coast in one day, you are the music data, and the car is the 0 &1, of course the car would look almost the same when you arrive the destination, as long as you didn’t run into some grave accidents or something, but how about you, travelling long distance in such a short period of time, I doubt it your mind and your appearance would look exactly the same before you hit the road, so metaphorically, signal optimization is the energy support for the whole trip, food, drinks, makeups, and so on, just to keep you stay as original as the beginning. Attachment DeletedHope you understand what I’m trying to say, now the music data is mostly transformed as Hi-Fi or Hi-Res formats, much high resolution, it’s like over 10 people in your small car, and you need to keep they stay totally the same while driving from east coast to the west in one day, ain’t no easy task! Hence, audio network switch, linear power supply, enhanced audio cable and other stuff are invented, they help these precious music data remain as intact as they can from the digital file to analog in your speakers, it may not seem like a long trip to you, but it is from them, they need carry so much details and essences in seconds, man, they deserve some tender care I’d say. It’s fine that you don’t believe these metaphorical nonsense, or those comparison tables which some expert reviewers provided, but if you have a chance to try them on, no matter it’s just a network switch or linear power supply, just carefully listen to it, I think you’d feel the alterations, I just believe if you treat you music nicely, they’ll give some sweet feedback to your ears in return, and that’s what we all looking for, ain’t it? So start facing at the things seriously that you overlooked before in your audio system, maybe you’ll find a new great realm of sound enjoyment! Listening is believing.
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Post by firebottle on Oct 29, 2021 6:22:02 GMT
Welcome John, have you been at the IPA again?  But seriously there are a few on here already who know that everything matters . |
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Post by macca on Oct 29, 2021 7:16:05 GMT
''audio network switch, linear power supply, enhanced audio cable''
None of these things make any difference to digital data transmission. That's the 'scientific truth'. Don't be taken in by nonsense from 'expert reviewers', salesmen and marketing departments. Spend your money on the things that do make a difference instead.
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Post by brucew268 on Oct 29, 2021 7:52:34 GMT
This is the "silent angel" guy just registering under a different user.
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Post by jazzcat on Oct 29, 2021 8:00:29 GMT
''audio network switch, linear power supply, enhanced audio cable'' None of these things make any difference to digital data transmission. That's the 'scientific truth'. Don't be taken in by nonsense from 'expert reviewers', salesmen and marketing departments. Spend your money on the things that do make a difference instead. I would add the following Audiophile network switches, audiophile fibre converters and audiophile usb cables. On my work i'm surrounded by engineers who are designing and developing network stack for Gambro's dialysis machines and Siemens Cardiac CT's and when i showed them what's the hottest thing in audiophile world, they laughed their asses off. Their requirements are rigorous and stuff they use cost a fraction of the "audiophile" network products. |
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Post by misterc on Oct 29, 2021 9:05:34 GMT
Its an easy measure for those who feel thats their benchmark (sic how boring is their gear?)
Wish to look at 1000T/Base tx and rx signals in explitict detail , no problem? then a high specification industry stand measuement package like below qill do very nicely.
Indepth look @ Ethernet standards
Very odd I'm actually doing this very thing right now for an IoT project!
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Post by macca on Oct 29, 2021 11:22:02 GMT
''audio network switch, linear power supply, enhanced audio cable'' None of these things make any difference to digital data transmission. That's the 'scientific truth'. Don't be taken in by nonsense from 'expert reviewers', salesmen and marketing departments. Spend your money on the things that do make a difference instead. I would add the following Audiophile network switches, audiophile fibre converters and audiophile usb cables. On my work i'm surrounded by engineers who are designing and developing network stack for Gambro's dialysis machines and Siemens Cardiac CT's and when i showed them what's the hottest thing in audiophile world, they laughed their asses off. Their requirements are rigorous and stuff they use cost a fraction of the "audiophile" network products. back when I did my HNC you had to learn how a computer worked before you moved on to anything else. You had to pass an exam in Boolean algebra before they would even let you on the course proper. A long time ago now and I suspect most of the lecturers have gone to the big classroom in the sky but I am sure they would also have laughed their asses off at theses ideas. I'm a student of history and this stuff really does remind me of some medieval superstitions. It's actually slightly disturbing. |
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Post by firebottle on Oct 29, 2021 11:56:20 GMT
Martin I raise your medieval superstitions to actual aural perception..
Not expectation bias or 'foo' belief but actual improvements to sound reproduction. It's all there for those who can hear.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2021 11:57:29 GMT
I would add the following Audiophile network switches, audiophile fibre converters and audiophile usb cables. On my work i'm surrounded by engineers who are designing and developing network stack for Gambro's dialysis machines and Siemens Cardiac CT's and when i showed them what's the hottest thing in audiophile world, they laughed their asses off. Their requirements are rigorous and stuff they use cost a fraction of the "audiophile" network products. back when I did my HNC you had to learn how a computer worked before you moved on to anything else. You had to pass an exam in Boolean algebra before they would even let you on the course proper. A long time ago now and I suspect most of the lecturers have gone to the big classroom in the sky but I am sure they would also have laughed their asses off at theses ideas. I'm a student of history and this stuff really does remind me of some medieval superstitions. It's actually slightly disturbing. Burn him! He is a witch! |
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Post by macca on Oct 29, 2021 12:31:14 GMT
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Post by stryder5 on Oct 29, 2021 12:35:43 GMT
I would add the following Audiophile network switches, audiophile fibre converters and audiophile usb cables. On my work i'm surrounded by engineers who are designing and developing network stack for Gambro's dialysis machines and Siemens Cardiac CT's and when i showed them what's the hottest thing in audiophile world, they laughed their asses off. Their requirements are rigorous and stuff they use cost a fraction of the "audiophile" network products. back when I did my HNC you had to learn how a computer worked before you moved on to anything else. You had to pass an exam in Boolean algebra before they would even let you on the course proper. A long time ago now and I suspect most of the lecturers have gone to the big classroom in the sky but I am sure they would also have laughed their asses off at theses ideas. I'm a student of history and this stuff really does remind me of some medieval superstitions. It's actually slightly disturbing. I seem to remember from my HND and Masters:- I thought Boolean algebra or truth tables are irrelevant in data transmission, they can be 1’s or 0’s in eight different logic states in computing. So not a true Comparison where no logic state is available in line transmission. Gary |
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Post by macca on Oct 29, 2021 12:42:01 GMT
It's not directly relevant I agree, but then I never said it was. I think it was their method of removing the wheat from the chaff. If you couldn't follow that then your chances of passing the rest of the course were probably low.
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Post by stryder5 on Oct 29, 2021 12:55:01 GMT
It's not directly relevant I agree, but then I never said it was. I think it was their method of removing the wheat from the chaff. If you couldn't follow that then your chances of passing the rest of the course were probably low. Sorry I thought you were comparing line transmission in our case direct values of 0 or 1 with truth states in computer programming. Gary |
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Post by macca on Oct 29, 2021 13:01:08 GMT
Martin I raise your medieval superstitions to actual aural perception.. Not expectation bias or 'foo' belief but actual improvements to sound reproduction. It's all there for those who can hear. well we can all hear but perception alone is not a guarantee of anything. What we perceive is not just a result of the sound waves hitting our ears but also incorporates what we can see and what we know. Consequently our perception is not 100% reliable. It's the same for everyone. with respect to hi-fi there's no known and valid reason why something will make a difference then it almost certainly doesn't. That doesn't stop all of us from hearing differences even when in reality there are none. The whole foo industry is built around exploiting that particular weakness of the human cognitive function. Although I accept that at least some of the foo vendors truly believe in their products. |
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Post by macca on Oct 29, 2021 13:07:34 GMT
It's not directly relevant I agree, but then I never said it was. I think it was their method of removing the wheat from the chaff. If you couldn't follow that then your chances of passing the rest of the course were probably low. Sorry I thought you were comparing line transmission in our case direct values of 0 or 1 with truth states in computer programming. Gary No, I was straying into the realms of the pointless anecdote. Mea culpa. The point I was trying to make is this stuff is not simple and if someone has zero knowledge of how it works then to them anything is possible. Not their fault of course but they should really avoid claiming that what they are saying is 'scientific fact.' It may mislead. |
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Post by stryder5 on Oct 29, 2021 14:13:08 GMT
Sorry I thought you were comparing line transmission in our case direct values of 0 or 1 with truth states in computer programming. Gary No, I was straying into the realms of the pointless anecdote. Mea culpa. The point I was trying to make is this stuff is not simple and if someone has zero knowledge of how it works then to them anything is possible. Not their fault of course but they should really avoid claiming that what they are saying is 'scientific fact.' It may mislead. Science is a multi faceted source of information and possibilities. Medical science currently tells us that there are many anomaly’s in perception from person to person, including Music Specific Disorders, these can be congenital or acquired. They include the inability to “remember” how previously heard music sounds. So when a change in pitch, timing, emotion etc occurs, memory cannot recognise a difference, hence the perception that there isn’t a difference. Perception hey, it’s a bugger! Gary |
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Post by macca on Oct 30, 2021 7:42:23 GMT
No, I was straying into the realms of the pointless anecdote. Mea culpa. The point I was trying to make is this stuff is not simple and if someone has zero knowledge of how it works then to them anything is possible. Not their fault of course but they should really avoid claiming that what they are saying is 'scientific fact.' It may mislead. Science is a multi faceted source of information and possibilities. Medical science currently tells us that there are many anomaly’s in perception from person to person, including Music Specific Disorders, these can be congenital or acquired. They include the inability to “remember” how previously heard music sounds. So when a change in pitch, timing, emotion etc occurs, memory cannot recognise a difference, hence the perception that there isn’t a difference. Perception hey, it’s a bugger! Gary You're correct but it's a mistake to think some people can recall accurately. We can remember broad strokes but not small details. Small details we forget in a couple of seconds. So when you compare two DACs for instance you really need to have them both set up at the same time and flip from one to the other if you really want to know about that wider soundstage or longer reverb. Otherwise by the time you swap the second DAC in you've forgotten. You might think you haven't, but you have. It might be an uncomfortable fact, but it is a fact. Even if there is a difference you won't be able to reliably tell. And you need to set it up so you don't know which DAC is which. Just knowing will affect what you hear and there's no way round that. In fact what you had for tea that night can affect what you hear. Here's one to ponder for those who think their perception is both flawless and constant - hands up who thinks there system doesn't sound better after a couple of drinks? But it's the exact same system so why is it more involving, more exciting now? Because your perception has changed. |
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Post by stryder5 on Oct 30, 2021 9:33:53 GMT
Science is a multi faceted source of information and possibilities. Medical science currently tells us that there are many anomaly’s in perception from person to person, including Music Specific Disorders, these can be congenital or acquired. They include the inability to “remember” how previously heard music sounds. So when a change in pitch, timing, emotion etc occurs, memory cannot recognise a difference, hence the perception that there isn’t a difference. Perception hey, it’s a bugger! Gary You're correct but it's a mistake to think some people can recall accurately. We can remember broad strokes but not small details. Small details we forget in a couple of seconds. So when you compare two DACs for instance you really need to have them both set up at the same time and flip from one to the other if you really want to know about that wider soundstage or longer reverb. Otherwise by the time you swap the second DAC in you've forgotten. You might think you haven't, but you have. It might be an uncomfortable fact, but it is a fact. Even if there is a difference you won't be able to reliably tell. And you need to set it up so you don't know which DAC is which. Just knowing will affect what you hear and there's no way round that. In fact what you had for tea that night can affect what you hear. Here's one to ponder for those who think their perception is both flawless and constant - hands up who thinks there system doesn't sound better after a couple of drinks? But it's the exact same system so why is it more involving, more exciting now? Because your perception has changed. There are no facts in the above, it’s all conjecture and opinion, you’re explaining how things are interpreted by your senses, we are not all the same. Expectation bias is a two edged sword, if you expect to hear nothing you won’t! Memory is a strange beast and not necessarily time based, it’s complicated and obviously connected to various senses. I feel that you are set in your view of the world and discussion is pointless, however putting your view as fact, and I know you are not alone on this subject, is counter productive. Gary |
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 30, 2021 9:47:49 GMT
You're correct but it's a mistake to think some people can recall accurately. We can remember broad strokes but not small details. Small details we forget in a couple of seconds. So when you compare two DACs for instance you really need to have them both set up at the same time and flip from one to the other if you really want to know about that wider soundstage or longer reverb. Otherwise by the time you swap the second DAC in you've forgotten. You might think you haven't, but you have. It might be an uncomfortable fact, but it is a fact. Even if there is a difference you won't be able to reliably tell. And you need to set it up so you don't know which DAC is which. Just knowing will affect what you hear and there's no way round that. In fact what you had for tea that night can affect what you hear. Here's one to ponder for those who think their perception is both flawless and constant - hands up who thinks there system doesn't sound better after a couple of drinks? But it's the exact same system so why is it more involving, more exciting now? Because your perception has changed. There are no facts in the above, it’s all conjecture and opinion, you’re explaining how things are interpreted by your senses, we are not all the same. Expectation bias is a two edged sword, if you expect to hear nothing you won’t! Memory is a strange beast and not necessarily time based, it’s complicated and obviously connected to various senses. I feel that you are set in your view of the world and discussion is pointless, however putting your view as fact, and I know you are not alone on this subject, is counter productive. Gary 100% agree. Audible memory is no different to any other memory. It's the individuals ability that varies. I have been pulling apart the sonic differences of HiFi equipment for over 6 years now, and I can tell you, in detail, the experience I had with any piece of kit that I have heard in that time. Ask me what I ate yesterday morning though, and I can't tell you. |
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Post by macca on Oct 30, 2021 10:23:05 GMT
You're correct but it's a mistake to think some people can recall accurately. We can remember broad strokes but not small details. Small details we forget in a couple of seconds. So when you compare two DACs for instance you really need to have them both set up at the same time and flip from one to the other if you really want to know about that wider soundstage or longer reverb. Otherwise by the time you swap the second DAC in you've forgotten. You might think you haven't, but you have. It might be an uncomfortable fact, but it is a fact. Even if there is a difference you won't be able to reliably tell. And you need to set it up so you don't know which DAC is which. Just knowing will affect what you hear and there's no way round that. In fact what you had for tea that night can affect what you hear. Here's one to ponder for those who think their perception is both flawless and constant - hands up who thinks there system doesn't sound better after a couple of drinks? But it's the exact same system so why is it more involving, more exciting now? Because your perception has changed. There are no facts in the above, it’s all conjecture and opinion, you’re explaining how things are interpreted by your senses, we are not all the same. Expectation bias is a two edged sword, if you expect to hear nothing you won’t! Memory is a strange beast and not necessarily time based, it’s complicated and obviously connected to various senses. I feel that you are set in your view of the world and discussion is pointless, however putting your view as fact, and I know you are not alone on this subject, is counter productive. Gary what I have said is completely factual and has nothing to do with 'My view of the world.' Human perception has been extensively researched and tested. In this regard we are not 'all different.' I appreciate that it's a bitter pill to swallow for those who think they have some sort of superhuman ability to discriminate. Expectation bias is just one sort of bias, there are many other types. I posted on this thread because the o/p was nonsense and presumably trolling and I thought it was worth presenting the counter-argument. Not because i thought that it would in any way change the minds of the people who post on this site. I mean for someone who thinks sitting a DAC on a glass shelf will change the signal it outputs then there's very little chance of salvation, at least from what I post anyway. But there are no doubt hundreds of non-members reading who, without there being any counter-argument presented, might assume that there was none and that everything does indeed matter. Regrettably there are many such 'echo chamber' forums around. At least with both sides of the argument presented they are aware that there is not a consensus. I really would recommend to anyone who has not done it to try a blind test. Even if you are able to reliably discriminate between whatever devices you choose to compare you will be shocked at how much more difficult it is when you don't know which device you are listening to. Certainty goes right out the window. For me it was comparing 24/192 to 16.44.1, way back in about 2003. I was convinced I would ace it. On the very first comparison I realised I had absolutely no chance. My friend who set it up thought it was hilarious and I took some stick but it was a sobering and valuable lesson. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 11:00:43 GMT
The OP registered, posted what seemed like a load of drivel to me (I have to admit that when I saw the pictures, I skim read even quicker) and has not been back since?
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Post by jandl100 on Oct 30, 2021 11:55:55 GMT
Only once, but I've done a single blind comparison of 2 CD players, at a dealer.
The dealer sat behind me and randomly selected which was playing through the amp with a remote control, 2 CDs of the same album were playing simultaneously.
Yup, I aced 10/10, much to the dealer's evident astonishment.
None of the times was it immediately obvious to me, but it generally became clear after about 10-15 seconds.
Choice made, and about to pack up, he said "One more time". No pressure!
Yup, this time about 20-25 seconds. For the first 10 seconds I was in a state of panic. 11/11.
No, I'm sure I'm not "Golden Eared", but I do suspect that listening in the audiophile sense is a learned skill.
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Post by stryder5 on Oct 30, 2021 12:08:47 GMT
There are no facts in the above, it’s all conjecture and opinion, you’re explaining how things are interpreted by your senses, we are not all the same. Expectation bias is a two edged sword, if you expect to hear nothing you won’t! Memory is a strange beast and not necessarily time based, it’s complicated and obviously connected to various senses. I feel that you are set in your view of the world and discussion is pointless, however putting your view as fact, and I know you are not alone on this subject, is counter productive. Gary what I have said is completely factual and has nothing to do with 'My view of the world.' Human perception has been extensively researched and tested. In this regard we are not 'all different.' I appreciate that it's a bitter pill to swallow for those who think they have some sort of superhuman ability to discriminate. Expectation bias is just one sort of bias, there are many other types. I posted on this thread because the o/p was nonsense and presumably trolling and I thought it was worth presenting the counter-argument. Not because i thought that it would in any way change the minds of the people who post on this site. I mean for someone who thinks sitting a DAC on a glass shelf will change the signal it outputs then there's very little chance of salvation, at least from what I post anyway. But there are no doubt hundreds of non-members reading who, without there being any counter-argument presented, might assume that there was none and that everything does indeed matter. Regrettably there are many such 'echo chamber' forums around. At least with both sides of the argument presented they are aware that there is not a consensus. I really would recommend to anyone who has not done it to try a blind test. Even if you are able to reliably discriminate between whatever devices you choose to compare you will be shocked at how much more difficult it is when you don't know which device you are listening to. Certainty goes right out the window. For me it was comparing 24/192 to 16.44.1, way back in about 2003. I was convinced I would ace it. On the very first comparison I realised I had absolutely no chance. My friend who set it up thought it was hilarious and I took some stick but it was a sobering and valuable lesson. You’re simply wrong, Human Perspective does not necessarily cover Music Perspective (which positively proves that we’re not all the same in a music sense) no one has mentioned their superhuman anything. I like that you have facts that you can back up with science, can you share please, it’s not that I don’t believe you.......oh I don’t sorry. You have had this conversation on more than one forum, so if you would like let’s look at validation of your facts that are not based on a singularity view, but science. Gary Gary |
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 30, 2021 12:10:11 GMT
Only once, but I've done a single blind comparison of 2 CD players, at a dealer. The dealer sat behind me and randomly selected which was playing through the amp with a remote control, 2 CDs of the same album were playing simultaneously. Yup, I aced 10/10, much to the dealer's evident astonishment. None of the times was it immediately obvious to me, but it generally became clear after about 10-15 seconds. Choice made, and about to pack up, he said "One more time". No pressure! Yup, this time about 20-25 seconds. For the first 10 seconds I was in a state of panic. 11/11. No, I'm sure I'm not "Golden Eared", but I do suspect that listening in the audiophile sense is a learned skill. Absolutely spot on, Jerry. It is a learned skill. F#ck all to do with having golden ears etc. Alan blind tested me with 4 solid-state phonostages in the early days. He must have swapped between them at least 6 times and I had it 100% right. A/B-X testing is only useful if you want to know whether the listener can hear the difference between two pieces of kit. Anything after that is opinion based, as it's all about what they want from their sound. A guy I used to play guitar with many years ago was almost deaf. His timing was utterly impeccable, as was his guitar tuning, which was by ear. He said to me, "I can feel the music better than I can hear it" There's also a guy that listens to music by using what hearing he has, and by feeling vibrations through a huge balloon. If YOU can't hear the differences in equipment, cables, or anything else, it's because YOU can't hear it. You can learn what to listen for and for the interest of an experiment, try this: Play 20 seconds of an ultra "well known to you" track. Play it in 16bit....on repeat, and focus on one particular sound aspect. Something like the start of a word which has strong emphasis on the first syllable. Then play it in 24bit and listen to that aspect again. It will be different.....but it won't be different tonally. Give it a go. It's mind numbing after a while, but see where you end up. |
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Post by stryder5 on Oct 30, 2021 12:19:34 GMT
Only once, but I've done a single blind comparison of 2 CD players, at a dealer. The dealer sat behind me and randomly selected which was playing through the amp with a remote control, 2 CDs of the same album were playing simultaneously. Yup, I aced 10/10, much to the dealer's evident astonishment. None of the times was it immediately obvious to me, but it generally became clear after about 10-15 seconds. Choice made, and about to pack up, he said "One more time". No pressure! Yup, this time about 20-25 seconds. For the first 10 seconds I was in a state of panic. 11/11. No, I'm sure I'm not "Golden Eared", but I do suspect that listening in the audiophile sense is a learned skill. Absolutely spot on, Jerry. It is a learned skill. F#ck all to do with having golden ears etc. Alan blind tested me with 4 solid-state phonostages in the early days. He must have swapped between them at least 6 times and I had it 100% right. A/B-X testing is only useful if you want to know whether the listener can hear the difference between two pieces of kit. Anything after that is opinion based, as it's all about what they want from their sound. It’s absolute truth that musicians, especially, have a finer sense of pitch than us mere audiofools....lol Gary |
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Post by macca on Oct 30, 2021 12:39:26 GMT
what I have said is completely factual and has nothing to do with 'My view of the world.' Human perception has been extensively researched and tested. In this regard we are not 'all different.' I appreciate that it's a bitter pill to swallow for those who think they have some sort of superhuman ability to discriminate. Expectation bias is just one sort of bias, there are many other types. I posted on this thread because the o/p was nonsense and presumably trolling and I thought it was worth presenting the counter-argument. Not because i thought that it would in any way change the minds of the people who post on this site. I mean for someone who thinks sitting a DAC on a glass shelf will change the signal it outputs then there's very little chance of salvation, at least from what I post anyway. But there are no doubt hundreds of non-members reading who, without there being any counter-argument presented, might assume that there was none and that everything does indeed matter. Regrettably there are many such 'echo chamber' forums around. At least with both sides of the argument presented they are aware that there is not a consensus. I really would recommend to anyone who has not done it to try a blind test. Even if you are able to reliably discriminate between whatever devices you choose to compare you will be shocked at how much more difficult it is when you don't know which device you are listening to. Certainty goes right out the window. For me it was comparing 24/192 to 16.44.1, way back in about 2003. I was convinced I would ace it. On the very first comparison I realised I had absolutely no chance. My friend who set it up thought it was hilarious and I took some stick but it was a sobering and valuable lesson. You’re simply wrong, Human Perspective does not necessarily cover Music Perspective (which positively proves that we’re not all the same in a music sense) no one has mentioned their superhuman anything. I like that you have facts that you can back up with science, can you share please, it’s not that I don’t believe you.......oh I don’t sorry. You have had this conversation on more than one forum, so if you would like let’s look at validation of your facts that are not based on a singularity view, but science. Gary Gary music has nothing to do with it. Our perception is not directly connected with the outside world. It's a combination of sensory input, prior knowledge, your mood, level of alertness, physical and mental health and how the brain processes all that information. I am not asking you to 'believe' me. This is not my own personal viewpoint I am presenting. If you're really interested there is plenty of available information relating to perception on the internet. If not well then that's up to you. It's no bother to me either way. |
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Post by macca on Oct 30, 2021 12:44:52 GMT
btw passing a blind test between two items does not automatically mean that there is a difference between all items under the sun.
Likewise failing it does not mean that there was not actually a difference between them. You maybe just didn't hear it. It's proven that practicing the blind test will improve the ability to hear a difference if there is one.
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Post by stryder5 on Oct 30, 2021 13:17:23 GMT
btw passing a blind test between two items does not automatically mean that there is a difference between all items under the sun. Likewise failing it does not mean that there was not actually a difference between them. You maybe just didn't hear it. It's proven that practicing the blind test will improve the ability to hear a difference if there is one. So no scientific proof that you can present, just your opinion! www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2629434/Gary |
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Post by macca on Oct 31, 2021 8:31:27 GMT
No it's not 'just my opinion'. However I really can't be arsed looking for peer-reviewed research which you will then just dismiss by saying that I found it using Google. You have previous form in that regard.
maybe later I will put something up for the benefit of others who might like to learn. I am happy to accept that you think perception is flawless and that we are never going to agree.
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Post by stryder5 on Oct 31, 2021 9:00:15 GMT
Just use another search engine, unless its your opinion that all is true and valid from Google.
I respect your opinion, as I do others views, balanced debate is good for our hobby.
Nothing is perfect or flawless in the world we inhabit, we can but try.
Enjoy your Sunday.......although it’s pissing down here.
Gary
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