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Post by macca on Sept 18, 2022 22:07:52 GMT
I remember when that Pioneer came out. I really wanted one but I was reading the HFR review of it whilst sat waiting my turn in the DHSS. I couldn't really afford the two quid to buy the magazine back then, let alone buy the CD player. Then I actually had a listen to a couple of CD players and that put me right off the whole idea for a couple of years anyway. Here's one of the reviews from when it came out: www.hifi-review.com/153721-pioneer-pd-91.html
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Post by robbiegong on Sept 18, 2022 22:34:38 GMT
I remember when that Pioneer came out. I really wanted one but I was reading the HFR review of it whilst sat waiting my turn in the DHSS. I couldn't really afford the two quid to buy the magazine back then, let alone buy the CD player. Then I actually had a listen to a couple of CD players and that put me right off the whole idea for a couple of years anyway. Here's one of the reviews from when it came out: www.hifi-review.com/153721-pioneer-pd-91.htmlNice one Macca, yes I'm very familiar with that review as I obsessively research from every source I can, with any kit I ever own.
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Post by antonio on Sept 19, 2022 4:43:09 GMT
Pleased you are enjoying the Pioneer again, digital ain't bad done right. It is also good to hear your how much you're enjoying the Plinius (it did have big shoes to fill) now could the Triple C be the final piece in the puzzle, well at least for now?
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Post by robbiegong on Nov 18, 2022 21:21:05 GMT
Well, as mentioned back in September, the Triple C was ordered from Japan and finally back to me on Thursday, after termination by the Olster - Big thanks n Cheers Olster mate. So that's Triple C speaker cable and Triple C interconnects for tonearm duty, which where all plumbed in last night and although it was late, Mrs in bed, so I could only listen at fairly low volume level, I was well surprised by just how good it all sounded from the offset. So much so I went to bed excited, buzzing and couldnt sleep Worked from home today and logged pc off at 5.30pm on the nose, ate and been spinning the albums since, as to get some hours on the cables, the Monosaudio copper/silver bananas and the KLEI Perfect Harmony plugs on the end of the tonearm CC interconnects, oh and a new one of these went in the Phono stage mains plug, www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233226646601?hash=item364d643449:g:aG8AAOSwNP5dQI72&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA0PWiSOnQsLG1rvTNn1YGmfS8TwBvr2AQx7FUHYFcopp0ViFxbmwDdQ5%2FPAbc%2FNpFa3hxpicUSYJPwEndTJwvLBOPeTDqiE%2BRsVhZMHdP%2F9WD2N1urPFI2BL52BVtxw5m6Eynr1UkjWZK7ty6imEN9CZFLiZkym2nOL%2F%2BUJTAmHnzm2DU15ofxI1pIM%2BlDcQ0YA18bNpTpKCS30%2BpyQ23MLNiOTiGzSXu%2F3YgUM5yUUuH60rOJSjv2XdDY83aW9KQTqmns3cV5hAbi1ttrCkddXg%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7zNmcmRYQ which I have in the mains plugs for all my system components, and been using for years, as they are quality, so more so about that incremental increase in sq here. Either way, things are sounding very very nice indeed, even at this very early stage - been a chunk of changes recently, still blown away by the Plinius and this current tidy lot in addition are taking things another notch up. One thing I've become very aware of this evening is just how quiet the cables and the whole system sounds, I mean quiet, I can only conclude that a whole layer of hash/noise has been removed by taking out what was in and replacing with this current lot
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Post by gninnam on Nov 19, 2022 14:30:26 GMT
Glad the cables have moved things on in the SQ stakes. The URL to EBAY don't work
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Post by pete on Nov 19, 2022 15:24:35 GMT
Just had a look too and URL is now working
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Post by gninnam on Nov 19, 2022 15:39:50 GMT
Just had a look too and URL is now working 'Tis true
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Post by robbiegong on Feb 15, 2023 23:07:59 GMT
Part 1 - UPDATE!I actually dont know where to start, as a lot has happened since November. At that time system was sounding excellent to my ears and very musically satisfying indeed, since the Plinius 9200 Integrated and SAEC Triple C speaker cable had come onboard. Next came SAEC PC Triple C tonearm cable, which from the offset had a profound effect in my set up, presentation became instantly calmer, quieter, so much so that I found myself reaching for the volume button, being able to up the wick more without hint of hardening up of the sound, it was quite a revelation - I actually remember thinking at that point, that I'd be happy if nothing changed and the system stayed as was, such was the musical enjoyment. BUT at the same time, with Triple C speaker cable, and the effect the tonearm cable had, I had to go the full hog, particularly by matching the tonearm cable up, with the same PC Triple C for the phonostage to amp cable, and so that was it. I'd made my mind up and wasn't going to hold back, so! not just PC triple C for phono to amp cable, but also for cdp to amp, as well as PC Triple C powercord cable for the amp, phono stage, and my mains extension block - yep ! lets do this ! The interconnects have all been terminated with KLE Innovations Pure Harmony rca plugs - courtesy of the Bigman Olster. Powercord cable I ordered from Zen and made all up with IeGO 8095 ag IECs www.kempelektroniksshop.nl/accessories/audio-grade-plugs/iego-iec-plug-massive-silver.html at one end, and my go to mains plug and fuse, as fitted to all my kit, at the other end - www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231550206726?hash=item35e977c306:g:2MgAAOxyBLBSC8At&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAsG3TSU5DU0nd4D4YdzHYQ3KvA7xEt0R2ivT9ojVcVaYKSKKF9qbGOfiAvvwi5fiEu3NMHqW8b%2FIjAtwAVk%2B%2Fq%2BYLVEdYv%2FBGmtky2mf8K2cTpo0R5cpp0GSgVEyN9TveznW7TczRuIGclBu2tXv4ipnvpPojm0LpTr6ZGD9KDCuWp9KNoE7n3ofBqXRYEEK0a3nsjY0AeZC3C1x6KG9HRsdryt7FzYT%2BYEEHzv98Q9Ri%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8C32-_KYQwww.futureshop.co.uk/hifi-tuning-uk-gold-2-mains-fuseOn top of that lot, there's been some proper behind rack, cable management, so not one cable touches another, all separate, apart -tidy ! Oh and shorties have gone in all vacant inputs Part 2 - ( For fun , well certainly not for me at the time, but you get the gist) * The Things That Remind You That You're Definitely An Audiophile, Because They Only Ever Happen To Audiofools philes And so, order stuf, wait for stuf to arrive, wait for the Olster to terminate and return da goodies..... December 22 fast approaching so lots to do at work, at home, packing etc etc before doing the off with wife n daughters' for a few weeks in Oz, to spend Christmas and new year with my son, which was Fabulous to say the least, although wont lie and say I wasnt thinking a lot about system and PC triple C Anyway, once back mid Jan, it was Zen ordering and awaiting delivery of cable to make up powercords. Was one happy bunny when they eventually arrived so got to measuring and cutting required lengths * all cables done, BUT WAIT, amp powercord wont reach socket, I've measured too short / cut too short - another order to Zen and WAIT! I order a couple more of the Missing Link plugs for amp and Hifi Tuning plug fuses and WAIT! * Realise I'm one of the fuses short and order and WAIT! Fuse arrives, I'm working from home but I'm excited and cant wait to rip the jiffy bag open, sod it, I'm gonna do that and fit it now, especially as Mrs has popped out - What's this in a strange looking black box? They've sent the wrong one ffs, this is a Supreme copper thing, not the one I use and like ! Send an email, and get the apology and assurance that right one will be sent immediately with returns label, ah well! - I WAIT! One week later, still no sign of the thing so I call up and enquire/explain - guy goes off to see what's happened and comes back "Can only apologies," he says, "looks like that one is now discontinued" but tells me he's looked and Futureshop have them.......... I order from Futureshop that day after 3 pm and pay extra for next day special delivery, fuse arrives next day, all credit to Futureshop - Yayyy!!! I'm buzzing out of my brain now and cant wait to get this thing in that bloody plug and system fired up for first time since early December. NEXT!! - working from home again, Mrs has popped out for lunchtime stroll - flick amp ON!, Phonostage ON! , TT ON ! , CDP ON !!! We're good to go ! Lets start with a cd - NO SOUND, twist flick, fiddle, NO SOUND ! Try a record !!! - NO SOUND !!!! - Look round the back, follow all interconnects, connections etc etc - everything looks as it should, goes to where it should - what the £$%%&& ! Ah !! It's gotta be them shorties (although I know I've put them in vacant inputs only, not outputs) it's gotta be them, maybe the Plinny doesnt like em, so i yank the lot out. Right ! cd - NO SOUND !! arggh! vinyl ! NO SOUND ! I sit down to clear my head, before I implode ! I cant figure it out. Ok! check everything at the back of the amp - everything looks as it should be, check again Rob ! - which side should this toggle be on that reads ' PROCESSOR' IN one side or Bypass on the other ? I cant remember, sod it let me give it a flick and see - and SOUND ! MUSIC !!! Yayy !!! We have lift off !! Vinyl - good!, lets play a side, Cd now, playing and sounds fine as well but all too early to properly evaluate, so much burning in of new Triple C interconnects , silver rca's, Triple C power cable, fuses, IECs .... * Right quick, try another album track before the Mrs gets back, hold on a minute why sound from only one speaker ?? Cd - same thing - wtf !! Fiddle, fiddle, fiddle, look, feel, twist !! NO CHANGE - ONE speaker. - Is my amp now playing up Gotta do work stuf, will get to it again, first chance when I log off. Right, more fiddling, speaker cables remove, insert, interconnects, double, triple check all - no change !! Why am I in this mugs game ?!! Back to phono cable, this time fiddle, squeeze and push inwards at phonostage rca point, push ! - crackle ! and sound back from both speakers ! let go and sound from one speaker, squeeze and push inwards again - sound from both speakers ! - Ah !! it's this phonostage rca connector ! it's become loose and needs a tighten, so I tighten for all I'm worth, put the interconnect back in and BINGO!- normal stereo sound resumed !!! To Be Continued, bed beckons - PART 3 Tomorrow, God willing....
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 16, 2023 7:05:12 GMT
Thats a bit of a roller coaster there rob! Good Grief lol....need a rest after reading that
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Post by robbiegong on Feb 16, 2023 9:52:16 GMT
Thats a bit of a roller coaster there rob! Good Grief lol....need a rest after reading that almost finished me off Olster - seriously !
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Post by pete on Feb 16, 2023 10:11:12 GMT
Got to love this hobby Rob. All the effort, time and cost putting together a great system with well chosen interconnect and then the hassle to get it to make a sound! Changing stuff stresses me out for this reason, doesn't stop me doing it though!!
Well done on getting it sorted, bet it sounds immense
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Post by robbiegong on Feb 16, 2023 10:25:21 GMT
Got to love this hobby Rob. All the effort, time and cost putting together a great system with well chosen interconnect and then the hassle to get it to make a sound! Changing stuff stresses me out for this reason, doesn't stop me doing it though!! Well done on getting it sorted, bet it sounds immense So true Pete. I've been into music literally all my life, Big passion for it, it was always around me, at home, I remember my Dad had a real to real when I was pretty much a toddler, my Mum to this day loves music, especially all the classic reggae, with them being from Jamaica. My mates at school were music heads too, we were from the sound system era, so the 1970's when the whole music thing was BIG, a way of life. Music led me to hifi, literally from the off. I remember drooling over kit, separates etc, in hifi stores, magazines, and at certain friends houses, it was the heyday, when there was a hifi and record store on literally every high street. I've always had something to play music on and vowed when my wife and I got together that I'd have and build a quality system in my house - proper quality hi-fidelity, hence the dogged pursuit, pain, ecstasy and hifi forums, it's a part of me like a major organ.
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Post by bencat on Feb 16, 2023 11:08:03 GMT
Count to ten and relax .......!
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Post by robbiegong on Feb 16, 2023 11:16:10 GMT
Count to ten and relax .......! Very relaxed now - thanks
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Post by robbiegong on Feb 16, 2023 21:35:28 GMT
PART 3, and so following the sequence of events, evaluation commenced - Evaluation was a strange one in truth. At first my initial awareness was of a real increase of inner detail / depth which was most welcome, and exciting, I couldn't resist telling Oli how much I thought the Triple C was amazing. At the same time I was of the mind that it was very early days, with a heck of lot of different new bits settling/burning in, but as the days rolled on I couldn't help feeling like things were going backwards - not only was soundstage feeling a bit small, presentation felt quite laid back, analytical, pinched, a bit sterile even, and tad less dynamic The more I thought about it, is the more things felt a bit stuck and not quite right, all things considered, I mean I know my system and how it can deliver, the changes are all quality so logic for me was things should start to sound better not worse or remain so 'unsurefooted', indifferent, undefined, /not quite right. For some reason, I started going over things methodically in my head, in bed. The Hifi Tuning mains plug fuses are directional, where the arrow should point away from the socket / follow left to right, towards the source, but whatever you find doesn't always read as clearly as that. either way, I know how they should go in, but at times we over think things to the point of err. I've always found tons of online, forum comment on the matter but could never actually come across something from a supplier in regard to Hifi Tuning mains plug fuses directly, so the next day I was determined to achieve that. After a long delve, I eventually found, under a suppliers, Hifi Tuning frequently asked questions page, where the question is asked are the fuses directional - answer is 'Yes' and that Electricity should flow from left to right when you view the fuse. Armed with that definitive (as far as I was concerned) info, I flung myself on the floor to check the fuses in the plugs - every single one, all five of them with arrow pointing head on into the flow of current, so right to left, away from source, not left to right, at the source - DOH !!! Every plug was opened and fuses reversed faster than you could say "Turn those fuses the right way round man !!" Anyway, next The Acid Test Album on, and I'm sure you know what I'm gonna say, it was pretty obvious from the first track that problem had been solved, bottle neck removed, music flowing right and proper, open, firm bass, big soundstage, musical, surefooted, dynamic...... And it's been nothing less since, which was only yesterday, hence the eagerness to start the long over due, Blog update - music is fantastic ! hence I'm getting through a lot, as we speak, vinyl albums, cd's never sounded better. I'll go into more detail in terms of the presentation and sq, now all this lots in, hopefully tomorrow
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Post by electronumpty on Feb 17, 2023 9:34:20 GMT
Funny stuff electrickery, good to hear you had results!
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Post by rexton on Feb 17, 2023 17:26:17 GMT
This whole hobby is very weird indeed. I'm having weird results with room treatment but then that can be explained to some extent.
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Post by robbiegong on Feb 17, 2023 19:35:06 GMT
This whole hobby is very weird indeed. I'm having weird results with room treatment but then that can be explained to some extent. Again, very true Andy, the odd and even what could be regarded as appearing the minutest, insignificant things can have an effect in this game, hence why what we do, endure, spend in pursuit of that system related musical, sq nirvana is not for some - takes certain types and serious passion.
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Post by robbiegong on Feb 17, 2023 20:58:59 GMT
Last night and today I was thinking about how to express the very significant result and sq effect that all these recent system changes have had, without sounding like a mix of cliché and hyperbole. And so without any hint of that, and to cut to the chase, whilst giving the result with absolute clarity. Also to add that this is in regard to a system that to my ears was sounding great and was bringing a whole lot of joy and satisfaction, to the point that if nothing changed then fine. What these changes have done is to simply elevate the system performance to a level of musical enjoyment that has just blown me away - seriously, no hyperbole. The start of this current big change was indeed PC Triple C cable, speaker cable first, but it was the Triple C tonearm cable my man the Olster terminated and did up for me that was by far the biggest catalyst. The calmness, obvious audible sense of drop in noise floor and palpable sense of ease and control there was a revelation. I'd already done a lot of homework and research on PC Triple C, how it is made and what that all means, but experiencing how that translates, the way it imparts no character of it's own ie: nothing negative, gets out of the way, was absolute confirmation of how right it is made in terms of not hindering the component in any way, in fact, and by way of its construction, allowing the component it is attached to to perform at it's best, showcase it's qualities. It does this by way of its construction = non noisy/not imparting noise, raggedness or any kind of hyper, excitable/coloured dna anywhere in the stream / chain. And without doubt that is exactly it, quality in = quality out, the Triple C and all these changes are all absolute quality, providing a superb platform for the quality components they are attached to to perform in all their glory, and boy do you hear it ! every single, tiny, stop, start, twist, turn of the music. I have never heard music from my set up/a set up sound so palpable, atmospheric, live like, instruments and the human voice sound sooo natural and real, hi-hats really shimmer, the human voice, so human, textures, timbres 1st rate, bang on. I've had some surreal n scary moments with out of the speaker, in the room moments. Music is full bodied, layered, every piece n part in it's own place / space, and this all because the source components are supported, perfectly to shine for the quality components they are and are regarded for. Everything I have ever experienced, savoured and read about the SP10, the Plinius 9200, the Spendor D7's, the Aurorasound Vida Prima Phono stage, the Pioneer PD-91, every good thing is maxxed out now, that's is the result, right there - every single one of those good things maxxed out. And another thing I've never ever experienced to this degree, is that sense of being party to the actual recording, having access, the insight, the info laid bare, being right inside it - just honestly amazing! music been playing and as I type, all evening, cd's via the 91, vinyl next, cant move from where I am Bottom line is everything here, realised and maximum... www.audioreview.com/product/amplification/integrated-amplifiers/plinius/9200.htmlhighend-electronics.com/products/aurorasound-vida-prima-phono-stage#:~:text=This%20is%20a%20very%20truthful,from%20your%20thoughts...%22
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Post by rexton on Feb 17, 2023 22:07:54 GMT
How quiet is your phonostage? I only ask because I run Tripple C speaker cable and have noticed a similar phenomen was respects to how quiet things are on a decent vinyl pressing, I then realised that my Paradise is very very quiet, so I wonder if the silence is a mixture of good phonostage and good cable?
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Post by robbiegong on Feb 17, 2023 22:24:00 GMT
How quiet is your phonostage? I only ask because I run Tripple C speaker cable and have noticed a similar phenomen was respects to how quiet things are on a decent vinyl pressing, I then realised that my Paradise is very very quiet, so I wonder if the silence is a mixture of good phonostage and good cable? Absolutely Andy, the Vida Prima is very quiet - The quality and attributes of your quality component is really realised and highlighted with the Triple C, no question.
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Post by rexton on Feb 17, 2023 22:32:07 GMT
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Post by robbiegong on Feb 17, 2023 22:44:18 GMT
Andy the Triple C is amazing, for reasons, I've explained, as in it's construction and purity absolutely translate by not being noisy in how they allow the flow through them, less noise/colouration in any area of how you put your set up together and what you attach to components equates to more music, I've found that every single time with application of things throughout my set up, the triple C is further evidence of that. Quality kit is one thing but once you lay the foundation from which that is laid upon you get rewarded, big time !
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 18, 2023 0:11:45 GMT
If you go for any, go for XR-3000 and terminate them with proper RCAs The SL-1980 are good, but these are miles better.
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Post by robbiegong on Feb 18, 2023 0:33:34 GMT
If you go for any, go for XR-3000 and terminate them with proper RCAs The SL-1980 are good, but these are miles better. The XR-3000 is what I have throughout and they are superb! As I say, the big calmness, control and big perceived lowering of noise floor, to the ears was realised with the first one as tonearm cable - Now that is a critical area, as you know and can imagine and the difference was not subtle, an overt energy and excitement, probably caused by noise/raggedness, within/from the cable was gone. I chose the KLEI Perfect Harmony, ( have always liked and used the KLEI's), as the best they do, and coupled with the rca's together, the result has been amazing and followed throughout my set-up, so phono to amp interconnects and cdp to amp interconnects . Truth is, with these you'll likely get the same A1 result with any really good quality rca plugs of your liking, whether KLEI's, WBT etc etc.
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Post by macca on Feb 18, 2023 7:17:03 GMT
you got a first class system there Robbie. All the components are superb.
Might be down in London next month if you are up for a quick visit let me know.
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Post by robbiegong on Feb 18, 2023 10:37:25 GMT
you got a first class system there Robbie. All the components are superb. Might be down in London next month if you are up for a quick visit let me know. Cheers Macca, and defo, if you are going to be down south, let me know. I'll pm.
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Post by macca on Feb 18, 2023 11:18:28 GMT
you got a first class system there Robbie. All the components are superb. Might be down in London next month if you are up for a quick visit let me know. Cheers Macca, and defo, if you are going to be down south, let me know. I'll pm. Will do.
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