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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 11:59:46 GMT
Not quite finished with wives and "analogue movement signal voltage meters". I had just bought a Yamaha AS-2100. The cynics among us would call it retro-kitsch, but those meters were the icing on the cake.
It was late in the evening, before I could plug and play. Low lights, Stan Getz and Astrud Gilberto. Scintillating. And those small meters were fluttering like a bird's wing. My then wife suddenly appeared. Let's say scantily clad and also fluttering like a butterfly and in clear hindsight also elegantly signaling voltage through movement.
"Look at those meters, " I said to her. There's Astrud, and they're just so delicately moving. Its Art, I tell you." "Look into my eyes, honey-bun," as she wafted som delicate pheromones in my direction. "You're blocking my view of the meters dear. Couldn't you just danse in the corner. There's only two tracks more"
SMACK. The bedroom door closed shut. Closely followed by a pillow floating through the air and stinging like a bee.
I learned my lesson and returned it the next day. The treble was broken I said. Didn't explain about the other things that were broken.
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Post by macca on Oct 4, 2021 12:07:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 12:49:29 GMT
Luckily that ship sailed a long time ago.
Of course I did go on to buy many years later the Yamaha A-S 1200. Not quite as many watts as the other one. I think I was bored and something new had to happen and of course I had forgotten all the bad bits from the last adventure.
This one just sort of whimpered. Almost made no impression at all. No testosterone no pheromones. No nothing. It's distinguishing mark was a floating and balanced "cyclotron" design normally reserved for tube amps. Stereopolice on youtube was very enthusiastic and thinks this is the best amp ever. Just shows how politics colors art. We hear what we are told to hear. Even Stereopolice admits that circuit design is a very hit and miss affair.
Miss. I just heard a boring amp.
Conclusion: Guilty as charged. I admit to being daft.
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Post by misterc on Oct 4, 2021 13:24:07 GMT
VU meters and wives belong to the SNAFU department of life (so to say). They have quire a lot of things in common. Sort of like promoting the desire but hampering the performance..... Shall I compare thee to a summer's day Thou art more lovely and more temperate Rough winds dost shake.... Translated into modern English, it would be Her name was Louise And she aimed to please... You get the message, eh... Ziggy my man about audio old town (circa 1970's) appreciated of all things with dancing neddle orintation and prose most non pertinent:
There once was a woman A strange kind of woman The kind that gets written down in history (in a non ex Mrs Perisdent way) Her name was Nancy Her face was nothing fancy (Like a her face pushed in the fresh dough to make gorilla busicuits kinda of way) She left a trail of happiness and misery (Like Vu, and SS) I loved her (Like the acryic smell of burnt caps and toasted circuit board) Everybody loved her (those that followed Hifi answers and and nag carrying moles and 45 YO's that stil live with their parents) She loved everyone and gave them good return, (whack up the volume for grin and raped you wallet for the repairs) I tried to take her (although the sales assistant in Laskeys had other ideas) I even tried to break her (very regularly did I try and bend those vu meters to the Lemons song) She said, "I ain't for taking, won't you ever learn?" (No audiofool does)
I want you, I need you, I got to be near you, (to feel the heat from your casework permutating my expectant body) I spent my money as I took my turn, (at the repair shop in Brompton high street) I want you, I need you, (I got to be near you, to feel the wanted arm of an non organic object) Ooh, I got a strange kind of woman, (that just happens to be a trasistor amplifier)
She looked like a raver, (blue VU meters do not become her) But I could never please her, (all that shite late 70''s punk never kept her happy) On Wednesday mornings boy, you can't go far, (she commanded youre attention with seductive (for the time) pleasing tunes) I couldn't get her, (as my brother was keeping her to himself) But things got better, she said "Saturday nights from now on baby, you're my star", (You got the dough, I need to go; so your my meal ticket outta here) I want you, I need you, I got to be near you I spent my money as I took my turn (in fixing her regularly) I want you, I need you, I got to be near you (to feel the wanted arm of an non organic object) Ooh, I got a strange kind of woman (that just happens to be a trasistor amplifier)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 13:49:08 GMT
Gosh!
BB King had Lucille.
You have Nancy.
The Danish for "Marriage" is "a real cupboard".
The word implies scratches, dings, pealing paint, drawers that don't always come out as expected AND longevity.
I celebrate your Ægteskab.
And would suggest playing Van Morrison's Avalon Sunset.
No streaming. That would be infidelity. It has to be the real thing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 18:39:38 GMT
Jerry Garcia's McIntosh will soon be auctioned at Sotheby. Any punters?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 18:49:38 GMT
Knew a guy who had about 8 of these amps along with 8 Crown Studio Reference amps and several Vita Vox soap boxes.
Believe me. Johnny Cash was live and in the room, when he played them. I could shake his hand and feel the bourbon on his breath.
Spooky.
Though I do prefer my own starch boxes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2021 8:49:07 GMT
I have a friend, who is an analogue guy. When I met him many years ago, he had an old Mørch Gramophone with a Mørch tone-arm. Beautiful if a little wobbly with age. We had some wonderful sessions through some old Rotel Cubes. We enjoyed our music.
But the world's production of goods doubles every 15 years.
All those goods have to go somewhere; and we are the consumers. In the HiFi world it's called upgrading. So the Mørch morphed into a Michell Orbe space station. And just before that there was the Nottingham Space Deck.
None of us were as comfortable with these contraptions. New cartridges were tried and rejected. Our eyes glossed over each time we saw the Orbe revolve. Then he moved on to a Rega P3. This was more comfortable even if the yellow color was a little sharp to the eyes. But at no time did we enjoy the music as we had with the Mørch. Analogue does mean and require wobbles and anachronisms. And cosiness benefits thereof.
Today he has a Rega P1 with an Ortofon OM 10 pickup.
And it is just like the old days. Music without sound.
Zig
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Post by misterc on Oct 5, 2021 9:11:57 GMT
To Morch or not to Morch; that is the question? Whether to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous audiophile fortune and caustic whit?
Tis nobler to drop the subterfuge and distraction of embittered chaff from previous employment or being lead along the wrong path to so called audio enlightenment.
Best Fraud accent on
'Tell me young Zig, wen, you were younger did the little girls with pig tails make fun of your red hair?' 'Possibly there were underlying Napoleon syndrome or other inferiority complex issues?'
The well-groomed and great selection of fellows contained here within are a sympathetic group of souls, they will be able to offer a listening ear and a few crumbs of non Macintosh comfort. Please do assist yourself well in these matters, I feel it would be helpful for an articulate and fine fellow such as yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2021 15:02:21 GMT
Couldn't quite work out if you meant a fraudulent accent as in deceit or a freud accent as in Zigmund. Let's take the first one first. The world wants to be deceived. Kierkegaard said that. The world wants to deceive. Freud said that. And just as a self-proclaimed placebo might just work, even though you know it's a placebo; we have no defense against deception. Even by opposing we can't end it all. Never mind the pony tails and the red hair. 1. We are apes. 2. Apes copy each other. 3. Apes make noises, which become words, which become commands, which then become questions (as in don't answer me back), which make a language as long as you make the right noises. Wrong noises result in confusion and if repeated punishment. 4. We are hard wired from point to point with biological triggers that release automatic responses. Facebook uses this. Marketing uses this. Courtship uses this. Even poetry uses it. Take the humble Leben amplifier - the 300 series. The wooden case. The geometry of the knobs. The proportions. The color. The feel of the buttons. The mythology of tubes. The Legend of Taku Hyodo san a Japanese Master. The retro look. The price. The scarcity of them. El- 84 tubes and their association with the Beatles. The low wattage. The motto A Motion Sound. Man it has everything to press the buttons of a red haired, pigtailed audio freak. And everything is deception as in conjuring tricks, big illusions and even bigger lies. They only work in our imagination. They do not work when you see them in slow motion and in real time. I have bought them three times. I know what I am talking about. And Kind Sir, prey tell me: how did you know I was always fired from all my employments? A wicked guess? The Zuckerberg conspiration (in which case you also know the shoes my neighbors wear and the schools their children go to)? Or, and I fear it is the latter - just plain commonsense and logic? With kind regards Zig
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Post by macca on Oct 5, 2021 15:14:47 GMT
Come on now. Even I liked the Leben.
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Post by misterc on Oct 5, 2021 15:35:07 GMT
Come on now. Even I liked the Leben.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2021 16:17:59 GMT
You liked the Leben, Macca?
I notice you are using the past tense. So I am assuming you liked the Leben, but you no longer have it. This would probably be in agreement with my own faint praise. It was ok. I liked the loudness button - the best loudness button ever. It was ok. Remember I bought it three times. I have a dreadful memory. It was ok.
But it wasn't worth the price. It wasn't worth a quarter of the price. It was a piece of mythology - bought in a shop, guaranteed to disappoint sooner or later.
I also bought the Leben CS-600.
There the geometry was all wrong. The tubes were all wrong. The visuals were all wrong. The sound was all wrong. And the price was ridiculous. And to all those who can't yet afford it but dream and hope and desire....I have unfortunately no advice at all.
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Post by macca on Oct 5, 2021 17:46:29 GMT
You liked the Leben, Macca? I notice you are using the past tense. So I am assuming you liked the Leben, but you no longer have it. This would probably be in agreement with my own faint praise. It was ok. I liked the loudness button - the best loudness button ever. It was ok. Remember I bought it three times. I have a dreadful memory. It was ok. But it wasn't worth the price. It wasn't worth a quarter of the price. It was a piece of mythology - bought in a shop, guaranteed to disappoint sooner or later. I also bought the Leben CS-600. There the geometry was all wrong. The tubes were all wrong. The visuals were all wrong. The sound was all wrong. And the price was ridiculous. And to all those who can't yet afford it but dream and hope and desire....I have unfortunately no advice at all. Zig It wasn't mine, someone brought it along to a bake-off. I'd never heard of them before. We used it with some vintage JBL and Akai speakers, that were both sensitive and an easy load. I could live with that combination. No sturm und drang but it sounded right on the ear (or the brain) which is the most important thing for me. Can't be doing with harsh or hard regardless of how good the soundstage or the micro-detailing is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 4:50:47 GMT
Ah!
Not a fan of the "bake off".
Come-and-be-sociable can be fun and can be trying. But it can not be a way of evaluating "true love". You have to live with them for that. So I would suggest you fell for the love-at-first-sight traits. And they are irrefutably lovely. I am talking about the painted feathers that fall apart when you wake up the next day turn over and think: My God - What Has My Reptile Brain Done? AGAIN.
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Post by macca on Oct 6, 2021 6:26:00 GMT
You're right, maybe if I had that system for a few months I'd start to hear the cracks. All I'm saying is it passed my first test. A lot of stuff doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 8:08:30 GMT
A warm thanks Macca.
Thinking a little more about "bake-offs" some points were brought to mind.
Wouldn't mind seeing the film 12 Angry Men from 1957 again. How one man (Henry Fonda) can change the Group Mind.
And then I remembered Frank Tchang Resonators. The small crucibles attached to the wall that extend soundstage, tame bass nodes and generally make more angels sing in your room. The crucibles have lugs on them and by twisting them you can "frame" the sound. I have seen Franck demonstrating this. When he twisted them people literally started leaning in their seats hearing all the previously expected and described changes.
My scientific friends laughed at me when I came home with them.... but little did they know. They worked. Maybe not exactly as advertised, but gosh they were strong magic. By moving them about the room and in the peace and quiet of my own company I heard big changes. Perception is everything and everything can affect perception. Even a cheese sandwich.
I had to throw them away.
I don't like magic.
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Post by optical on Oct 6, 2021 8:14:18 GMT
A warm thanks Macca. Thinking a little more about "bake-offs" some points were brought to mind. Wouldn't mind seeing the film 12 Angry Men from 1957 again. How one man (Henry Fonda) can change the Group Mind. Then I remembered Richard Dunn. He liked bake-offs. But I can't help thanking that he also liked to command obedience and silence. And then I remembered Frank Tchang Resonators. The small crucibles attached to the wall that extend soundstage, tame bass nodes and generally make more angels sing in your room. The crucibles have lugs on them and by twisting them you can "frame" the sound. I have seen Franck demonstrating this. When he twisted them people literally started leaning in their seats hearing all the previously expected and described changes. My scientific friends laughed at me when I came home with them.... but little did they know. They worked. Maybe not exactly as advertised, but gosh they were strong magic. By moving them about the room and in the peace and quiet of my own company I heard big changes. Perception is everything and everything can affect perception. Even a cheese sandwich. I had to throw them away. I don't like magic. Zig What about helmholtz resonators and schumann resonance generators Ziggy! Oh sorry you did state you don't like 'magic' . . . . As for the Leben you brought up . . . I'll take a recapped Marantz 1060 please sirs . . . .
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Post by macca on Oct 6, 2021 8:27:53 GMT
A Helmholtz resonator does work, it's not a mystery as to how. It's just air moving in a pipe making sound.
Schuman Resonator is almost certainly foo.
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Post by optical on Oct 6, 2021 8:40:23 GMT
A Helmholtz resonator does work, it's not a mystery as to how. It's just air moving in a pipe making sound. Schuman Resonator is almost certainly foo. Depends if you're in the inner circle or not Macca . . . . Yes there's no doubt the Helmholtz resonator functions as errrr . . . . a resonator. Akin to placing some musical instruments around the room (it's likely to have an effect on the sound), my suggested context is centered around the effects it has on music we are listening to, which by some could be perceived as 'magic'. Could be better, could be worse, of course it can be a matter of perception. Jury is still (slightly) out on the Schuman . . . . a few 'studies' have shown it to help in general relaxation and recovery of the body where others have been inconclusive (but erring on the side of 'foo').
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 10:15:52 GMT
I wouldn't like to be in a room with a 7-8 hertz beat.
I dunno, but it just seems unhealthy to me.
I know science explains it as a natural and ubiquitous phenomenon, but I am not having one in my room.
124 BPM is fine for me.
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Post by optical on Oct 6, 2021 10:19:41 GMT
124 BPM is fine for me. Zig Wow, your turntable must be about to take off Zig.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 10:22:29 GMT
Yes a Marantz 1060 is beautiful. Though I am reminded of a reply James Taylor gave to his audience when someone shouted, "I love you". He replied, "I love you too. But I think our love is based on our not knowing each other. Zig
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 10:24:30 GMT
Made me laugh.
Such are the advantages of digital.
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Post by optical on Oct 6, 2021 10:27:37 GMT
Made me laugh. Such are the advantages of digital. Zig I know Michael Fremer reads this forum (I don't) and he may have just blown a gasket. He's probably right about Delta Sigma though . . .
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Post by misterc on Oct 6, 2021 10:53:10 GMT
Fremer; like pre 80's audio box's are well past their sell by dates time to pack up the wood edged boxes and champange coloured knobs to nostalga land and embrace way of the snowflakes Ziggy Or as a well known animated bear would state' Hey baggy get with the beat'
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 11:26:36 GMT
Love it.
But didn't you know "Wood is Good"?
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Post by stevew on Oct 6, 2021 11:37:34 GMT
Yes a Marantz 1060 is beautiful. Though I am reminded of a reply James Taylor gave to his audience when someone shouted, "I love you". He replied, "I love you too. But I think our love is based on our not knowing each other. Zig Am also reminded of what James Taylor said when I saw him in Manchester a couple of years ago. ‘ I’d like to recall a poem my father would recite on an annual basis’ “ The first of May, the first of May Outdoor fuckin starts today” No relevance whatsoever… just made me laugh then and still does now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 12:43:45 GMT
Wow.
Flabbergasted.
Twice.
And the unconscious link to what we are talking about.....
I was walking the dog and found myself whistling Gerry Rafferty's Stuck in the Middle. If memory serves it was something about being at record producers' meeting and thinking - fools to the left of me and clowns to the right.
And I realised I was going to have to talk about something important, which no one actually gets, regardless of how I try to explain it.
I am slowly realizing that I am surrounded by Objectivists. I know I know. This is an old chestnut, and it doesn't bear fruit. But I would like to explain my perspective on things.
I do not think the world consists of objects.
I showed my dog a picture of the Marantz 1060 and received no reaction. I then asked her if she would like a bone. She then walked to the bone-cupboard and waited.
See, my world is formed by; and based on; and is impossible to get out of: Chit-Chat.
When I was a child, my parents said to me - Don't go into the woods, dear little child of ours, because there is a bottomless lake there. Maybe they should have taught me to swim, but this worked. And when I eventually did go into the woods - I could never find the damn lake.
Everything we see and touch has been formed by people. I am a people ist and not an object ist.
Mountains exist in our perception, cos our forefathers said - Look Mountains. In other words they carved the world into bits and pieces which only exist in the carving.
Measurements are but chit chat within the rules of that tribe.
Some see a Helmholtz resonator and others see a piece of jewelry.
When we describe an object (eg this was a bad amplifier) we are actually describing our own experience as told to us by a myriad of earlier exchanges with other people. Yes, each one of us has a unique perspective (standing point), but we can only talk through our mother language which is actually the cacophony of us all together.
So we are all objectivists. We just forget, that the only object is us. And we are only looking into a mirror. Us.
Now I am going to close my eyes, my ears and my mouth.
Zig
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Post by stevew on Oct 6, 2021 13:09:34 GMT
This makes total sense if you are called Jim but wish to be identified as a pet dog.
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