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Post by misterc on Aug 8, 2021 8:51:18 GMT
Good grief I would rather listen to a linn system that that combo Now that is the last pairing I would put together poor chap he has my condolences Macca 200% agreement mate So it's not just me then? They got to be one of the most over-rated, over-priced brands ever, along with Naim and EAR. Hi Martin Have never really understood the fascination with AR at all, in my time only twice have I listened to AR sound and found it pleasing Have repaired a few of them over the years, hype is good word to attach to the brand imho To pair TAD's with AR is a fundamental flaw, other speakers are more suited to the AR equipment or different amplifiers for TAD. I suspect the Oli's amp would be a far more intuitive match for the TAD's as would a few others.
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Post by macca on Aug 8, 2021 9:16:44 GMT
Yes, excellent loudspeakers, but not for a valve amp, look at the impedance trace for the Evolution 1 here www.stereophile.com/content/tad-evolution-one-loudspeaker-measurementsNeurochrome would be ideal as would a Krell or any solid state with proper power supplies. Sensitivity is high so doesn't need loads of watts unless he's got a massive listening room. Ollie needs to have a word with him, luckily he won't have any problem selling the AR on. Funny how people make these terrible matches and then automatically think the crap sound is because 'digital'.
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Post by antonio on Aug 8, 2021 10:37:43 GMT
Audio Research and Wilson speakers, now that's a good match
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Post by macca on Aug 8, 2021 10:44:05 GMT
I can't remember what speakers were in use the couple of times I had a listen to AR gear, just that I was disappointed both times.
Although biggest amplifier disappointment ever (hype to reality-wise) was the Audionote Ongaku.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 8, 2021 10:52:11 GMT
Yes, excellent loudspeakers, but not for a valve amp, look at the impedance trace for the Evolution 1 here www.stereophile.com/content/tad-evolution-one-loudspeaker-measurementsNeurochrome would be ideal as would a Krell or any solid state with proper power supplies. Sensitivity is high so doesn't need loads of watts unless he's got a massive listening room. Ollie needs to have a word with him, luckily he won't have any problem selling the AR on. Funny how people make these terrible matches and then automatically think the crap sound is because 'digital'. I have offered to visit and take the 686, so we'll see if he takes up the offer.
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Post by brucew268 on Aug 8, 2021 11:09:59 GMT
I can't remember what speakers were in use the couple of times I had a listen to AR gear, just that I was disappointed both times. Although biggest amplifier disappointment ever (hype to reality-wise) was the Audionote Ongaku. Years ago when I lived in Houston a shop demo room had a fleet of AR and Avalon speakers. Spectacular sonics in that room and porn finish on the speakers, but it just didn't sound like music to me. At least they had eye-watering prices!
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Post by brucew268 on Aug 8, 2021 11:21:18 GMT
Back on the streamer front: 3.5k is a bit steep for my blood, but you say the G2 was an easy improvement on the N15D and has a lovely interface for an Apple user. I wonder where the performance of the Allo Digione Signature fits in that lineup? My microRendu works nicely for me and uses a hard adapter connection to my DAC so no cable costs, but it did require a good LPS.
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Post by macca on Aug 8, 2021 11:21:49 GMT
Yes, excellent loudspeakers, but not for a valve amp, look at the impedance trace for the Evolution 1 here www.stereophile.com/content/tad-evolution-one-loudspeaker-measurementsNeurochrome would be ideal as would a Krell or any solid state with proper power supplies. Sensitivity is high so doesn't need loads of watts unless he's got a massive listening room. Ollie needs to have a word with him, luckily he won't have any problem selling the AR on. Funny how people make these terrible matches and then automatically think the crap sound is because 'digital'. I have offered to visit and take the 686, so we'll see if he takes up the offer. I hope he does I bet it will be a revelation to him.
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Post by bigbird on Aug 8, 2021 12:50:51 GMT
I know the audio research and Macintosh authorised repair and service guy for Australia and he told me that for the money they cost he can’t believe how often he takes them (AR) in for repair work . That alone was enough to put me off ever considering one
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Post by stevew on Aug 8, 2021 12:52:57 GMT
Back on the streamer front: 3.5k is a bit steep for my blood, but you say the G2 was an easy improvement on the N15D and has a lovely interface for an Apple user. I wonder where the performance of the Allo Digione Signature fits in that lineup? My microRendu works nicely for me and uses a hard adapter connection to my DAC so no cable costs, but it did require a good LPS. Dunno about the digione.. but I’ve just sold my Allo USbridge/Shanti lps which was usb only out. Admittedly replaced with a grands worth of SOtM sms and Sbooster LPSU Much nicer sound..delicacy revealed etc. If the Dutch reviewer guy (Hans..?) is anything to go by then the Auralic is another step up from the SOtM kit.
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Post by sq225917 on Aug 8, 2021 13:40:22 GMT
Some people just like to fiddle with stuff, every cable or resistor swap is a revelation. I have a mate like that, I was round at his recently, he hadn't even noticed his antiskate weight had come off the loop on his unipivot, the sound was wobbling about all over the place, sounded like tape wow. Yet he'll gush over cables and footers.....
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Post by macca on Aug 8, 2021 13:57:04 GMT
You can get to the point where you can't see the wood for the trees.
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Post by brucew268 on Aug 8, 2021 16:20:49 GMT
Back on the streamer front: 3.5k is a bit steep for my blood, but you say the G2 was an easy improvement on the N15D and has a lovely interface for an Apple user. I wonder where the performance of the Allo Digione Signature fits in that lineup? My microRendu works nicely for me and uses a hard adapter connection to my DAC so no cable costs, but it did require a good LPS. Dunno about the digione.. but I’ve just sold my Allo USbridge/Shanti lps which was usb only out. Admittedly replaced with a grands worth of SOtM sms and Sbooster LPSU Much nicer sound..delicacy revealed etc. If the Dutch reviewer guy (Hans..?) is anything to go by then the Auralic is another step up from the SOtM kit. Good call. I have a lot of time for Hans Beekhuyzen, and it was instructive to watch his reviews of the G2, G1, SMS-Ultra200 Neo, etc.
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Post by antonio on Aug 9, 2021 4:37:12 GMT
I to find his reviews honest and informative, he has a lot of experience with these streamers so his comments are well worth taking into consideration.
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Post by macca on Aug 9, 2021 6:41:29 GMT
I suppose his subjective opinions are no worse (or better) than anyone else's, but in technical matters almost everything he says is wrong.
hard to work who is worst between him and Darko.
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Post by misterc on Aug 9, 2021 9:46:18 GMT
This is the reason why so many of the millennials hang of their every word, last week I was contacted by a said member (of the time line mentioned) to ask if I wish to participate in a product review for one of our distribution products. Long story short, this chap who's podcasts are his vehicle then went on to tell me about this wonderfully amazing on line reviewer called 'Darko', at that point I had to interject and suggest he may wish to broaden his horizons Now, while I do accessionally look at both Darko and Hans' channels I do find them amusing from a technical perspective as Martin pointed out (This is quite concerning I find myself agreeing with Martin three time in as many days Perhaps a wet salted slug is in order ) Sorry I digress this is more to do with the personality presenting the video review, the ability to engage with the viewer on their own level, than it is to really do with the real nuts and bolts of the issue, how it sounds and why the designer/company went down a particular route when producing said product. Measurements are an indicator as to how when the parameters the designer felt was important to that product, they are a guide NOT the be all and end all. So you have a choice folks; the Darko channel who' infectious banter and charactor shine through of his very rudimental knowledge of electronics. Or dear Hans B who I am sure is a really nice chap, but I just cannot take him seriously, surrounding yourself with very average T&E equipment doesn't wash with a lot of folks and they are glaring holes in his technical ability to really explain beyond the basic premise. If all else fails then good old amir on biased/bigoted/self-inflating ego channel who's utter bias is beyond belief. My suggestion would be a channel that Drako charisma, Hans appeal SOME measurements for reference point only not a zealotic screaming bun fight following. More of an accent on music in a real-world system and no bloody headphones!
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Post by macca on Aug 9, 2021 10:16:08 GMT
wow you hate headphones too? Tony we really have so much in common it's scary.
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Post by macca on Aug 9, 2021 10:23:06 GMT
Have to say though I find Darko boring not charismatic. Good production values but takes ten minutes to say something not even worth saying.
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Post by misterc on Aug 9, 2021 10:47:48 GMT
Have to say though I find Darko boring not charismatic. Good production values but takes ten minutes to say something not even worth saying. This maybe due to Patreon subs or advertising via click bait or banners I suspect
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Post by macca on Aug 9, 2021 10:56:11 GMT
I don't really know how it works but I read that you have to do at least ten minute slots to get any revenue.
Maybe I will start one when I retire. I'll have to think of a good schtick first though.
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Post by antonio on Aug 10, 2021 4:25:39 GMT
This is the reason why so many of the millennials hang of their every word, last week I was contacted by a said member (of the time line mentioned) to ask if I wish to participate in a product review for one of our distribution products. Long story short, this chap who's podcasts are his vehicle then went on to tell me about this wonderfully amazing on line reviewer called 'Darko', at that point I had to interject and suggest he may wish to broaden his horizons Now, while I do accessionally look at both Darko and Hans' channels I do find them amusing from a technical perspective as Martin pointed out (This is quite concerning I find myself agreeing with Martin three time in as many days Perhaps a wet salted slug is in order ) Sorry I digress this is more to do with the personality presenting the video review, the ability to engage with the viewer on their own level, than it is to really do with the real nuts and bolts of the issue, how it sounds and why the designer/company went down a particular route when producing said product. Measurements are an indicator as to how when the parameters the designer felt was important to that product, they are a guide NOT the be all and end all. So you have a choice folks; the Darko channel who' infectious banter and charactor shine through of his very rudimental knowledge of electronics. Or dear Hans B who I am sure is a really nice chap, but I just cannot take him seriously, surrounding yourself with very average T&E equipment doesn't wash with a lot of folks and they are glaring holes in his technical ability to really explain beyond the basic premise. If all else fails then good old amir on biased/bigoted/self-inflating ego channel who's utter bias is beyond belief. My suggestion would be a channel that Drako charisma, Hans appeal SOME measurements for reference point only not a zealotic screaming bun fight following. More of an accent on music in a real-world system and no bloody headphones! I like Hans, and Darko for that matter although I have not seen Darko that often, I feel he gives an honest opinion of the pieces he reviews, and why do you need to know all the technicalities to review products. I'm not a measurements man, to me if it sounds good it is good, be damned with whether or not it is giving 100% accuracy. I'm sure MisterC, you sell products that would not pass the Amir test yet you still sell them because to you they sound good. If I go to a dealer, I would expect him to only be selling products he thinks sound good and not because the mark-up is 20% higher than the norm. I have heard Hans have a little dig at the Amir crowd, so he to prefers to listen with his ears
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Post by antonio on Aug 10, 2021 4:34:24 GMT
I know the audio research and Macintosh authorised repair and service guy for Australia and he told me that for the money they cost he can’t believe how often he takes them (AR) in for repair work . That alone was enough to put me off ever considering one I have to agree, my brother had a couple of probs with his Audio Research, maybe more than a couple. He decided to go back to SS amps, and the good news, that is when Audionet were discovered
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