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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 24, 2021 15:19:07 GMT
Anyone of the "cable denier" persuasion may as well leave now. For the rest of you, I'd like to introduce you to the cable that has finally usurped my own Spotfire cable. The SAEC-1980 There is a Caveat though, which I will detail a little later. The cable type (Triple C/EX) was brought to Angus' attention by forumite "JohnG" He took a pair to be re-terminated from XLR to RCA and whilst at Angus's, they compared them to the Spotfire. Angus contacted me later that evening to suggest we try a pair as he felt they were worth further investigation. With that in mind, Angus ordered a 1.8m pair and brought them up. We substituted a pair of cables for the SAEC between the TT and the Phonostage, and sat there slack-jawed. The difference was clear. So clear that when we discussed it, we both spoke of hearing the same thing. If it were imaginary, then we both imagined the same thing. For me, the Spotfires always excelled at transparency and neutrality, but there's were a step beyond that. The vocalist on the track we listened to for instance, I felt like I seemed to not only hear the words being spoken, but to also see the shape of her mouth forming the words. Like the music had taken another dimension. I know this all sounds a little odd, but in listening to Peter, Paul and Mary, the trall "All my Trials" I noted that the M in "my" seemed to start a lot quieter. Like I heard the beginning way earlier than I had before. Obviously being unsure about this, I experimented repeatedly and with consistently results, I came to be more confident that the SAEC cables were in fact even more detailed and more transparent. The soundstage also presented differently. The vocalist now presented more in balance with the new position of the speakers. Whereas previously the vocalist seemed to be deeper than everything else, they now stepped out into the forefront. I realise this may be just one of those things that happens when swapping cables, but it's an effect I am totally sold on. Today, I added two more pairs of these cables to the rig and I am absolutely delighted to say that the effect of installing one set has been replicated by installing three. I'm not saying I got three equal steps in performance, just that I got improvement with all three added. So to the Caveat.. The plugs on these cables are shite. Brass, locking types and I absolutely hate any plug that has the ability to rattle. I have replaced mine with MPS Pioneer RCA plugs and again, I think it's worth the effort as to me, the sound is now stellar. So, how much do these cables cost? I paid £218 for a 1.8m pair, then £49 in Vat and another £35 for RCA plugs making these £300ish a pair. HOWEVER, I am going to cut them up into a 1m pair and a 80cm pair, so this will make them slightly cheaper per cable. The Spotfire cost £175 a pair. It's hard to say, but if you have the skills to rework the bulk cable in these SAEC's, you'd be MAD not to get them. These are going to take some beating.
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Post by rexton on Jul 24, 2021 15:33:50 GMT
Sounds like a decent cable, nice write up.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 24, 2021 15:40:27 GMT
Sounds like a decent cable, nice write up. It's superb Andrew, and thank you 👍
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Post by karma67 on Jul 24, 2021 15:54:56 GMT
mine are in the country and i should get them next week!
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 24, 2021 16:04:27 GMT
mine are in the country and i should get them next week! Good man. Have you got some RCA plugs to put on the ends?
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Post by karma67 on Jul 24, 2021 16:23:48 GMT
yep mps pioneer copper ones
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Post by brian2957 on Jul 24, 2021 16:45:51 GMT
Got a link to these interconnects please Oli, and the MPS plugs please. I'm never sure if I'm looking at the same things as you're posting about
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Post by stevew on Jul 24, 2021 16:55:35 GMT
Ohh.. thanks for sharing! Yes.. a link to the seller you’ve used would be great.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 24, 2021 17:09:01 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 24, 2021 17:09:22 GMT
yep mps pioneer copper ones Good man.
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Post by brian2957 on Jul 24, 2021 17:33:34 GMT
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Post by brucew268 on Jul 24, 2021 17:48:12 GMT
How would you rate its felxibility? Interesting that they don't offer that particular cable in balanced config, would instead by a step up to XR-3000.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 24, 2021 17:49:48 GMT
How would you rate its felxibility? Interesting that they don't offer that particular cable in balanced config, would instead by a step up to XR-3000. It's as Flexible as any I've had here. Tightly coiled in the box too. It's easy enough to convert to XLR, so if you fancied doing it, you'd have a cracking cable.
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Post by brian2957 on Jul 24, 2021 17:59:17 GMT
I take it it's easy to work with. Is it shielded Oli?
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 24, 2021 18:06:04 GMT
I take it it's easy to work with. Is it shielded Oli? Yup and yup. 2 cores and a braided shield
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Post by brian2957 on Jul 24, 2021 18:24:23 GMT
Are you connecting the shield and if so which end mate ?
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 24, 2021 19:09:08 GMT
Are you connecting the shield and if so which end mate ? They come wired as i wire all my cables, with the shield connected at the "source" end. Except they dont mark which end that is lol. With writing reading left to right, the shielded end is on your left. However, i cannot stress highly enough that the supplied plugs have got to go! The difference in changing them is significant. The Brass causes an emphasis on leading edge, giving them a false sheen. Take them off and be struck with silk smooth and natural sounding leading edge and decay. karma67 is going to perform the same surgery to his, so i would love to hear his experience of the same procedure.
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Post by brian2957 on Jul 24, 2021 19:48:36 GMT
Thanks for the information Oli
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Post by antonio on Jul 25, 2021 1:36:10 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 25, 2021 7:04:58 GMT
Yes, I will be trying the SAEC-850 at some point. Luckily, I picked up an Acoustic Revive Triple C digital cable a few weeks ago.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 25, 2021 13:22:25 GMT
I thought it may happen, and it did. I received an email from a lurker, who has given permission to share today's events. The Lurker tells me that he finds it hard to believe that I could "know" that the plugs were brass by only listening to them. So, I took the Dremel to one. As you can see, they are 100% cheap, nasty brass. I have also taken the Dremel to a MPS plug, and can confirm they are very coppery. No reason to doubt them at all. Forgot to take a photo of the MPS and they are all now installed, so not going to dislodge them again today.
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Post by macca on Jul 25, 2021 17:04:42 GMT
Is that a signal cable jammed right up against a mains cable there?
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Post by rexton on Jul 25, 2021 19:32:04 GMT
Is that a signal cable jammed right up against a mains cable there? Will it make a difference if all cables are shielded?
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 25, 2021 19:47:03 GMT
Is that a signal cable jammed right up against a mains cable there? For now, yes. Both are shielded.
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Post by macca on Jul 25, 2021 19:59:46 GMT
Is that a signal cable jammed right up against a mains cable there? Will it make a difference if all cables are shielded? Depends on how effective the shielding is. It's one of the things I'm obsessive about as it actually can make a difference. if setting up I spend some time working out the best placement for everything to get maximum distance. I like just having one source as it makes it easier. Due to there being no standard as to where the power socket is on the back of equipment the more boxes the more of a pain in the arse it can be. I also check on them now and again once all done as the beggars will move about. Even with shielded cables I'd argue it's still best practice to separate power and signal by at least an inch, preferably more than 2.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 25, 2021 20:01:58 GMT
Will it make a difference if all cables are shielded? Depends on how effective the shielding is. It's one of the things I'm obsessive about as it actually can make a difference. if setting up I spend some time working out the best placement for everything to get maximum distance. I like just having one source as it makes it easier. Due to there being no standard as to where the power socket is on the back of equipment the more boxes the more of a pain in the arse it can be. I also check on them now and again once all done as the beggars will move about. Even with shielded cables I'd argue it's still best practice to separate power and signal by at least an inch, preferably more than 2. Yeah, I agree but I've literally just threw them in to do some burn in. I'll sort all that out when I rejig the system after Tuesday. I'm off to compare the Goldring Ethos to an Ortofon Windfeld 😳 Taking the cables with me
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Post by macca on Jul 25, 2021 20:11:22 GMT
Winfield is in the millionaire price bracket isn't it?
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 25, 2021 20:13:56 GMT
Winfield is in the millionaire price bracket isn't it? 🤣🤣 Not quite, bit it's certainly pricey. This is a NOS original, not the TI. Not interested in the TI.
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Post by alit on Jul 25, 2021 21:24:53 GMT
Depends on how effective the shielding is. It's one of the things I'm obsessive about as it actually can make a difference. if setting up I spend some time working out the best placement for everything to get maximum distance. I like just having one source as it makes it easier. Due to there being no standard as to where the power socket is on the back of equipment the more boxes the more of a pain in the arse it can be. I also check on them now and again once all done as the beggars will move about. Even with shielded cables I'd argue it's still best practice to separate power and signal by at least an inch, preferably more than 2. Yeah, I agree but I've literally just threw them in to do some burn in. I'll sort all that out when I rejig the system after Tuesday. I'm off to compare the Goldring Ethos to an Ortofon Windfeld 😳 Taking the cables with me As long as they cross at right angles it's irrelevant.
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Post by karma67 on Jul 26, 2021 4:19:16 GMT
Depends on how effective the shielding is. It's one of the things I'm obsessive about as it actually can make a difference. if setting up I spend some time working out the best placement for everything to get maximum distance. I like just having one source as it makes it easier. Due to there being no standard as to where the power socket is on the back of equipment the more boxes the more of a pain in the arse it can be. I also check on them now and again once all done as the beggars will move about. Even with shielded cables I'd argue it's still best practice to separate power and signal by at least an inch, preferably more than 2. Yeah, I agree but I've literally just threw them in to do some burn in. I'll sort all that out when I rejig the system after Tuesday. I'm off to compare the Goldring Ethos to an Ortofon Windfeld 😳 Taking the cables with me i heard that winfield last week,not fully run in but sounded good all the same.
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