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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 21, 2021 18:26:23 GMT
And how do they compare with the offerings from IsoAcoustic? Impossible to tell, sorry. Different speakers, different speaker cables, different room now with the Piano out. What I can say is that these have had a profound effect in the system. I wouldn't have paid £1500 for Townshend bars or platforms yesterday morning, today I'd HAPPILY pay. Whether the platforms would be better or not, I have no doubt, also they are far easier to level. These bars are a bastard in that respect. |
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Post by stevew on Jun 21, 2021 18:28:12 GMT
And how do they compare with the offerings from IsoAcoustic? There isn’t really much of a comparison. The Gaia’s improve dynamic response and separation (compared with spikes on Quadraspire qx7’s) However the Townshend Bars (and Podium from what I heard) provide a lot more of that, but also a far more transformative in the way music is presented. Atmosphere and ambience are totally apparent. It’s been a bit of a journey with all this, culminating in taking a gamble that paid off. First of all I got the isoacoustic Gaia 3 to go under the stands of my Harbeth P3ESR’s. I’ve tried them under the Technics SB M300’s The Technics is a far more detailed and convincing loudspeaker on spikes or on the Gaia’s Put them on the Townshend and they are transformed into stellar performers. I was thinking of looking for different speakers. Still might down the line, but for now I just want to keep listening to music. Something that has been on the wane for a while now. |
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Post by stevew on Jun 21, 2021 18:30:41 GMT
The podiums are better, but the turrets can trip you up, but you really still need to decouple the bars or podiums from the speakers, if you think they are good without it, wait until you try it with. Also domestic harmony may be impaired with podiums  Hi Tony. What would be your advice on the best way to decouple? Cheers |
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Post by rexton on Jun 21, 2021 20:24:05 GMT
I've got 3 seismic pods sitting under my pre-amp and noticed a small but decent improvement. I'm sold.
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Post by antonio on Jun 22, 2021 1:26:17 GMT
The podiums are better, but the turrets can trip you up, but you really still need to decouple the bars or podiums from the speakers, if you think they are good without it, wait until you try it with. Also domestic harmony may be impaired with podiums Hi Tony. What would be your advice on the best way to decouple? Cheers Come on MisterC, when I first read your post and the bit "wait until you try it with", now you've got me on tenderhooks  but then there is an anti climax with no answer  |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 22, 2021 6:18:29 GMT
Hi Tony. What would be your advice on the best way to decouple? Cheers Come on MisterC, when I first read your post and the bit "wait until you try it with", now you've got me on tenderhooks but then there is an anti climax with no answer My money is on Black Ravioli pads. Tony uses them on everything, even under his cup of tea |
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Post by misterc on Jun 22, 2021 8:07:01 GMT
You impatient lot, some of us really do have to work My suggestion would be Black Ravioli pads, they just work period you can obtain them from direct from BR themselves www.blackravioli.com/shop/pad/We use BR products as O.E. isolation on all Cohetent Systems products and upgrades The Townshend & Black Ravoili combination is rather good imho |
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Post by stevew on Jun 22, 2021 20:21:21 GMT
You impatient lot, some of us really do have to work My suggestion would be Black Ravioli pads, they just work period you can obtain them from direct from BR themselves www.blackravioli.com/shop/pad/We use BR products as O.E. isolation on all Cohetent Systems products and upgrades The Townshend & Black Ravoili combination is rather good imho That’s really interesting. My stands are quite uneven underneath, having a threaded section for spikes (obviously removed), so at the moment I guess the Townshend bars are only in contact with the stands in places. So not sure how well the black ravioli would sit under the stand. However ... given me an idea. Combine the Gaia iii and Townshend. I’ll give it a whirl ! |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 22, 2021 20:48:58 GMT
You impatient lot, some of us really do have to work My suggestion would be Black Ravioli pads, they just work period you can obtain them from direct from BR themselves www.blackravioli.com/shop/pad/We use BR products as O.E. isolation on all Cohetent Systems products and upgrades The Townshend & Black Ravoili combination is rather good imho That’s really interesting. My stands are quite uneven underneath, having a threaded section for spikes (obviously removed), so at the moment I guess the Townshend bars are only in contact with the stands in places. So not sure how well the black ravioli would sit under the stand. However ... given me an idea. Combine the Gaia iii and Townshend. I’ll give it a whirl ! Did some investigation into the engineering and science behind this idea with of using pads between the speakers and the bars with a mutual friend of ours. Personally, I won't be pursuing that particular idea but you may find it illuminating to discuss it for yourself. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 20:56:33 GMT
Whatever happened to squash ball eh ?
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 22, 2021 21:31:38 GMT
Whatever happened to squash ball eh ? 🙄 Squashed it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 21:35:37 GMT
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Post by misterc on Jun 23, 2021 9:26:01 GMT
Apologies for the late reply, workshop and demonstrations ave been busy to say the least this week.
For more years than I care to remember personally I have use Max's isolation devices, stretching right back into the annuals of time with the inflatable seismic sinks and those noisy pumps
I have tried every incarnation of Max's products, some better than others.
Throughout the last twenty five years I have always used additional layers of isolation to really bring out the best on Max's designs. I have tried may other designs and products too numerous to mention, however on this journey I have discover NO one product from any manufacturer achieves total desirability in the results. That is not to say they do not make a positive difference, on the whole most do (leaving still-points out as they have the ability to turn even a Meridian system into a naim six pack on steroids).
A few years ago Max made some custom podiums for me that could handle 340Kg for my GU MK III, now it's not easy try to achieve a lift of a quarter of tonne with only two of you, even if you are both capable LOL. Luckily the Grande's can be split into two sections, so after some rather judicious use of non leathal force, mission accomplished.
Sound quality transformation was very positive, and happy campers all round. Max also made another set for a customer of ours at the same time, so with experiance in hand myself and fellow great ape Mark set off to install said second pair at clients residence.
Long story short, client had also purchased Black Ravioli big feet their top product at the time in 2009) he had worked out he could use triple big feet six of them spread evenly under the foot print of his Grande's.
After installing his podiums and hearing the difference the BR made, I did them at Chez Coherent Towers, haven't looked back since. Every pair of Podiums or bars we have sold uses some form of additional isolation between the speaker and the device, not all BR is involved. Due to the fact that not everyone has 280Kg speakers and one person can usually perform the task unaided then it is not too much of an issue.
You could try a multitude of materials for yourself at virtually no cost and find out for yourselves, in our demo's rooms we do not use Townshend podiums simply because of domestic harmony of potential purchases of equipment, we use other devices to great effect. At home they sit between the R1's and the podiums to great effect. However the BR pads still have a place with speakers without question, below a couple of images of BR pads doing sterling service between the speaker and stand interface on the baby Tad's
Last image I couldn't resist an attemped arty-farty shot 
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