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Post by robbiegong on Jan 1, 2021 22:10:44 GMT
I have an un-switched double socket.
I've read that the left hand, earthed socket is the best of the two to use.
I'm curious as to why that is ? also one side takes my 4 way power bar mains extension which holds my tt power supply and and cdp.
Which way round / side would you recommend for amp and then the extension block holding the tt-ps and cdp
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 1, 2021 22:32:03 GMT
I have an un-switched double socket. I've read that the left hand, earthed socket is the best of the two to use. I'm curious as to why that is ? also one side takes my 4 way power bar mains extension which holds my tt power supply and and cdp. Which way round / side would you recommend for amp and then the extension block holding the tt-ps and cdp Left. That's how I've always done it and for some reason it sound better lol |
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Post by sq225917 on Jan 1, 2021 23:58:45 GMT
Noise on a ring pollutes all sockets on that ring. This noise will partly be seen on other rings connected to the same CU, and seen a bit less than this on a spur that only goes back to the CU
There's no way to tell without pulling the face plate if the left or right socket is closer to the ring. There's no standard, it varies with almost every socket and in most cases they're through wired, so which terminals are used really depends on how the sparky felt on thr day. And it doesn't matter either way.
That's why you can hear the fridge wherever you plug your hifi in and why a noise-eater works wherever its placed.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 2, 2021 0:37:08 GMT
Noise on a ring pollutes all sockets on that ring. This noise will partly be seen on other rings connected to the same CU, and seen a bit less than this on a spur that only goes back to the CU There's no way to tell without pulling the face plate if the left or right socket is closer to the ring. There's no standard, it varies with almost every socket and in most cases they're through wired, so which terminals are used really depends on how the sparky felt on thr day. And it doesn't matter either way. That's why you can hear the fridge wherever you plug your hifi in and why a noise-eater works wherever its placed. I'm pretty sure there was a discussion on this subject on another forum at some point, and the "wisdom" was that one side of the double socket was fed directly from the mains cable and the other from the busbar. The general consensus was that it's usually the left side of the socket and that's the side to put your amplifier plug. NOW, you may be wondering why I remember that little nugget. It because it's the first time I became aware of how many Audiophiles are lunatics and particularly how stupid it was as a notion. My first snake oil experience. Id been an electrician. I trained for two years.... Did it for a few years in the end, and In All that time, I had never heard such utter madness. I knew that it makes no difference........yet, when I tried it "just for a laugh" it did make a difference, in fact I was laughing my head off that this could be seriously something that influenced anything....miles and miles of cable....ring mains...power stations, substations, CU, house wiring.....how could one side of the socket change the sound??? Did I imagine it? No idea, but I've done it since and I have known something wasn't "right" when I haven't done it without realising. Bonkers this hifi lark. Polished prongs on a 3 pin UK plug.....don't make me laugh.....use them religiously now 🤣 Silver plated wall socket? F#ck OFF.......yup....heard that have an effect too. Fuses!!!! No, that's a step too far lol. However, I have just received a few silver plated ceramic fuses.....I haven't tried one yet....I'm scared. 🤣🤣 |
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Post by antonio on Jan 2, 2021 1:21:17 GMT
Get one of those fuses in, you know it makes sense  |
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Post by sq225917 on Jan 2, 2021 2:05:08 GMT
Go online, try and find a standard for UK plug sockets that defines the position of the busbar on a double socket with respect to left and right. The mk stainless double front plates I used down stairs had N and L both placed on the centreline on the reverse face with a busbar running to opposite pole on each plug. So the L is shortest path on the right plug. The plastic ones I used upstairs have everything on the left and the right up is all busbar. There's no standard. www.flickr.com/photos/59684834@N08/50789375356/ |
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Post by misterc on Jan 2, 2021 10:37:17 GMT
Quite an odd question, even I have not heard of the socket monopoly before This is all down to cross section area of contacts nothing more, I use switch less sockets which we had a hand is designing they are standard BS1363 framework legal for use in the UK. Simon made a point about the older round style 15amp UK plugs these are still legal and a lot of people swear by them. This is pure physics, the larger the amount of surface contact area there is between the two sets of contacts the greater the possibility of improved electron flow simply as there is more area for them to play with each other  . It is very straight forward to ascertain if one socket is 'more suited' to use, we measure each socket in turn with the following parameters with this neat piece of equipment Power Analysis made simple if there were any serious discrepancies I would suggest either: Faulty socket, piss poor installation, crap wiring and plating issues. Again this is all down to the laws of physics |
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Post by macca on Jan 2, 2021 10:47:15 GMT
In the past always went with left socket for power amp due to the myth. I mean it costs nothing and it's no extra hassle to implement. But currently have it in the right hand socket and unsurprisingly it is no worse.
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Post by sq225917 on Jan 2, 2021 12:13:56 GMT
Unsurprisingly, indeed.
That said when using an extension block I always put power amps closest to inlet. Wouldnt want those mohms of resistance affecting the power of my amps, ;-)
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Post by macca on Jan 2, 2021 12:22:45 GMT
Unsurprisingly, indeed. That said when using an extension block I always put power amps closest to inlet. Wouldnt want those mohms of resistance affecting the power of my amps, ;-) That's an interesting one as I would never plug the power amp for my main system into an extension block, always into the wall. Could hear it sitting on the dynamics. Or at least I think I can. On the other hand the amp for the TV system is plugged into a mains block that is the last of three in a daisy-chain and that sounds fine. When I get the electrics re-wired I need about 30 sockets in the living room alone. Unswitched ofc.  |
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Post by robbiegong on Jan 2, 2021 12:59:56 GMT
Right! Been listening through an album this morning. In truth, moving the amp plug from where it was on right side to left side resulted in a slightly muted, slightly subdued/less open and dynamic presentation to my ear. I tried to be subjective by pretending I wasn't hearing it or being influenced by what I was hearing towards making me appreciate something about it, ie: identify any benefit/improvement. After two sides, I swapped things back/around, so amp plug in right socket and tt-ps into left socket. Whilst subtle, there was definitely more energy, openness and enjoyable boogie/groove to the presentation. The slight subdued/'laidbackness' I detected with amp in left had gone. Maybe my earthing is on the right side socket - no idea. Either way, I'm leaving as was as sounds better and more enjoyable / musical to my ears. Why this is, well as my dear older friend often replies whenever I've asked him the reason for something we've been discussing and he doesn't have the answer - "F&ck3d if I know Robbie"..... |
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Post by jimbo on Jan 2, 2021 13:59:14 GMT
Right! Been listening through an album this morning. In truth, moving the amp plug from where it was on right side to left side resulted in a slightly muted, slightly subdued/less open and dynamic presentation to my ear. I tried to be subjective by pretending I wasn't hearing it or being influenced by what I was hearing towards making me appreciate something about it, ie: identify any benefit/improvement. After two sides, I swapped things back/around, so amp plug in right socket and tt-ps into left socket. Whilst subtle, there was definitely more energy, openness and enjoyable boogie/groove to the presentation. The slight subdued/'laidbackness' I detected with amp in left had gone. Maybe my earthing is on the right side socket - no idea. Either way, I'm leaving as was as sounds better and more enjoyable / musical to my ears. Why this is, well as my dear older friend often replies whenever I've asked him the reason for something we've been discussing and he doesn't have the answer - "F&ck3d if I know Robbie"..... Get those electrons flowing as efficiently as possible and it will be music to the ears! |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 2, 2021 14:13:01 GMT
Makes no sense at all that there should be any difference, and to be honest stuff like this is why 90% of the technically minded in this hobby think we are totally Nucking Futs.
But, I heard a difference all that time ago. Thinking that my system has evolved somewhat since I tried it, I tried again this morning and something just wasn't the same.
Can't put my finger on it but the sound is a touch more lively with the amp in the left side of the double socket.
Might be my imagination but at least my imagination is consistent 🤣
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Post by robbiegong on Jan 2, 2021 14:17:42 GMT
Makes no sense at all that there should be any difference, and to be honest stuff like this is why 90% of the technically minded in this hobby think we are totally Nucking Futs. But, I heard a difference all that time ago. Thinking that my system has evolved somewhat since I tried it, I tried again this morning and something just wasn't the same. Can't put my finger on it but the sound is a touch more lively with the amp in the left side of the double socket. Might be my imagination but at least my imagination is consistent 🤣 Ha ha - superb ! The all time best audiophile term ever, right there |
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Post by macca on Jan 2, 2021 15:04:48 GMT
Makes no sense at all that there should be any difference, and to be honest stuff like this is why 90% of the technically minded in this hobby think we are totally Nucking Futs. But, I heard a difference all that time ago. Thinking that my system has evolved somewhat since I tried it, I tried again this morning and something just wasn't the same. Can't put my finger on it but the sound is a touch more lively with the amp in the left side of the double socket. Might be my imagination but at least my imagination is consistent 🤣 get your lady to flip a coin every morning. If it comes up tails she goes in and swaps the power lead to the other socket. When you're not about ofc. When you go in to listen you can't peek. After listening then you have to decide if the lead is in the right or left socket. Then you can look. See how many you guess right after 10 days. If it's 9 out of 10 or higher, you're onto something. |
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Post by karma67 on Jan 2, 2021 15:11:03 GMT
Makes no sense at all that there should be any difference, and to be honest stuff like this is why 90% of the technically minded in this hobby think we are totally Nucking Futs. But, I heard a difference all that time ago. Thinking that my system has evolved somewhat since I tried it, I tried again this morning and something just wasn't the same. Can't put my finger on it but the sound is a touch more lively with the amp in the left side of the double socket. Might be my imagination but at least my imagination is consistent 🤣 get your lady to flip a coin every morning. If it comes up tails she goes in and swaps the power lead to the other socket. When you're not about ofc. When you go in to listen you can't peek. After listening then you have to decide if the lead is in the right or left socket. Then you can look. See how many you guess right after 10 days. If it's 9 out of 10 or higher, you're onto something. yep,i bet doing it blind you wont be able to tell. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 2, 2021 16:15:53 GMT
get your lady to flip a coin every morning. If it comes up tails she goes in and swaps the power lead to the other socket. When you're not about ofc. When you go in to listen you can't peek. After listening then you have to decide if the lead is in the right or left socket. Then you can look. See how many you guess right after 10 days. If it's 9 out of 10 or higher, you're onto something. yep,i bet doing it blind you wont be able to tell. You think I haven't already done this? One of the first things I do is to try and remove my awareness of what's what. The gaffer has been my glamorous assistant on more than one occasion! |
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Post by misterc on Jan 2, 2021 16:34:49 GMT
Ok, just to settle the matter here I have just asked my good friend and colleague Matt C who is a GENUINE Rocket scientist his reply was quite interesting:
"You are all barking mad, but don't stop, exploration is fun"
So we are all happy on this issue yes |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 2, 2021 16:40:21 GMT
Ok, just to settle the matter here I have just asked my good friend and colleague Matt C who is a GENUINE Rocket scientist his reply was quite interesting:
"You are all barking mad, but don't stop, exploration is fun"
So we are all happy on this issue yes Hahahaha Told ya. They think we're nutters |
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Post by rexton on Jan 2, 2021 19:46:47 GMT
I've never heard this one before. Funnily enough I do have my P10 plugged into the left hand socket but I just can't be arsed to walked four steps and change the plug over!!!!
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 2, 2021 20:24:04 GMT
I've never heard this one before. Funnily enough I do have my P10 plugged into the left hand socket but I just can't be arsed to walked four steps and change the plug over!!!! Try it!!!!!! |
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Post by rexton on Jan 2, 2021 20:43:32 GMT
nope my fat arse still hasnt moved.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 2, 2021 21:05:16 GMT
nope my fat arse still hasnt moved. Lol |
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Post by antonio on Jan 2, 2021 23:23:36 GMT
Ok, just to settle the matter here I have just asked my good friend and colleague Matt C who is a GENUINE Rocket scientist his reply was quite interesting:
"You are all barking mad, but don't stop, exploration is fun"
So we are all happy on this issue yes Hahahaha Told ya. They think we're nutters The next move from HiFi forums is to the funny farm |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 2, 2021 23:33:10 GMT
Hahahaha Told ya. They think we're nutters The next move from HiFi forums is to the funny farm I'm already there....I'll save you a spot lol |
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Post by misterc on Jan 3, 2021 12:16:13 GMT
I'm already there....I'll save you a spot lol Hey Oli
So it's you that's occupying padded cell 27 the guest room at the end of corridor three then? thought that was reserved for D.T. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 3, 2021 13:09:42 GMT
I'm already there....I'll save you a spot lol Hey Oli
So it's you that's occupying padded cell 27 the guest room at the end of corridor three then? thought that was reserved for D.T. Haha yes, that's me |
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