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Post by jimbo on Dec 10, 2020 11:48:19 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 10, 2020 12:17:54 GMT
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Post by stevew on Dec 10, 2020 12:30:04 GMT
Funnily enough was just watching this
... off to look down the back of the sofa for some loose change.
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 10, 2020 12:42:07 GMT
Funnily enough was just watching this ... off to look down the back of the sofa for some loose change. Can you find some for me?
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Post by stevew on Dec 10, 2020 13:37:46 GMT
Funnily enough was just watching this ... off to look down the back of the sofa for some loose change. Can you find some for me? Back to yer workbench
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Post by jimbo on Dec 10, 2020 13:39:34 GMT
IF this DAC is as good as the reviewer states especially compared to the competition which are by no means poor DACs then it must be a step change in a piece of equipment which takes a different approach to reconstructing the original digital recording.
I would be very keen to hear one of these!
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Post by mikeyb on Dec 10, 2020 17:15:02 GMT
IF this DAC is as good as the reviewer states especially compared to the competition which are by no means poor DACs then it must be a step change in a piece of equipment which takes a different approach to reconstructing the original digital recording. I would be very keen to hear one of these! Wait until Oli buys one to try, wait a week or two then you'll get it cheaper in the classifieds 😉 😂
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 17:46:32 GMT
Sounds exactly the same to me - through my iPad speakers....
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Post by mikeyb on Dec 10, 2020 18:33:16 GMT
Sounds exactly the same to me - through my iPad speakers.... Time to upgrade them 😉😂
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 18:43:08 GMT
Yes, I have not worked how to get YouTube on my SL1200 yet...
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Post by mikeyb on Dec 10, 2020 19:16:27 GMT
Yes, I have not worked how to get YouTube on my SL1200 yet... 😂
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 10, 2020 19:37:32 GMT
IF this DAC is as good as the reviewer states especially compared to the competition which are by no means poor DACs then it must be a step change in a piece of equipment which takes a different approach to reconstructing the original digital recording. I would be very keen to hear one of these! Wait until Oli buys one to try, wait a week or two then you'll get it cheaper in the classifieds 😉 😂 Lol....cheeky
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Post by mikeyb on Dec 10, 2020 19:54:42 GMT
Wait until Oli buys one to try, wait a week or two then you'll get it cheaper in the classifieds 😉 😂 Lol....cheeky 😂
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 10, 2020 20:06:06 GMT
As interested in the Denafrips as I am, I am in absolutely no rush to move on from this Soekris.
I've just put some new cables on it (not Spotfire) and it's just superb. I like it a lot and tbh, if I stick a LPSU up it, I don't know what it would gain or love Vs a Denafrips?
The maker Soren, suggests this DAC is the best possible way to do R2R. Obviously he would say that, but his rep on DIYaudio is impeccable and that's where this DAC developed from.
The same as the BB3. Lots of development by guys building them.
I would heavily recommend one to anyone of our volition and not lose a seconds sleep about it.
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Post by macca on Dec 11, 2020 17:16:38 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 11, 2020 18:45:12 GMT
Save your money and buy a 1421 if one comes up. According to a couple of folks in the know, the 2541 is practically a balanced version of the 1421. I think i read that thread a week or so ago, and there is a comment on there about it too. The 1421 is a seriously good DAC.
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 11, 2020 18:56:09 GMT
This is one i want to hear:
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Post by macca on Dec 11, 2020 19:32:09 GMT
Six large though. I don't think I could justify that even if it was as good as Hans reckons. I mean it probably is, even allowing for the fact that it's Hans, but I'm sure there are much cheaper DACs that will be just as good.
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 11, 2020 19:40:47 GMT
Six large though. I don't think I could justify that even if it was as good as Hans reckons. I mean it probably is, even allowing for the fact that it's Hans, but I'm sure there are much cheaper DACs that will be just as good. Well, I think i would not get the performance out of the Terminator that it's capable of in my room, so i wouldn't be throwing £3-6k on one, but in the future and with the plans i have, whoi knows! As for one that sounds as good for less money....which one? Thats where i think we would all head lol
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Post by jimbo on Dec 11, 2020 19:47:28 GMT
So is the Terminator the best DAC out there currently?
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Post by jimbo on Dec 11, 2020 19:50:47 GMT
Six large though. I don't think I could justify that even if it was as good as Hans reckons. I mean it probably is, even allowing for the fact that it's Hans, but I'm sure there are much cheaper DACs that will be just as good. Well, I think i would not get the performance out of the Terminator that it's capable of in my room, so i wouldn't be throwing £3-6k on one, but in the future and with the plans i have, whoi knows! As for one that sounds as good for less money....which one? Thats where i think we would all head lol I doubt it or Hans would have found it. He has now reviewed most of the Denafrips DACs and he would have said - just buy the Ares 2 if he thought that could achieve the same SQ as the Terminator?
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Post by macca on Dec 11, 2020 20:45:38 GMT
So is the Terminator the best DAC out there currently?
Hans says it is the best at the price which implies he thinks that there are better DACs if you pay even more money. Best is a bit hard to define. I think Steely Dan are the best band ever but I've got a mate thinks they're rubbish. Best in terms of measured performance and you've got quite a few that are a lot more perfect than they need to be. Topping, Soncoz, SMSL, Benchmark, RME and so on.
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Post by macca on Dec 11, 2020 20:47:02 GMT
We need to do a DAC bake-off like we did for the phono stages.
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 11, 2020 21:34:36 GMT
We need to do a DAC bake-off like we did for the phono stages. Yes yes yes....this is a proper suggestion. Right, who's bringing the Denafrips?
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Post by sq225917 on Dec 12, 2020 0:49:07 GMT
I'd take an okto or x matrix over any denafrips
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Post by antonio on Dec 12, 2020 1:39:37 GMT
So is the Terminator the best DAC out there currently?
No. I'd still take dCS, and another brand which I would definitely be interested in should I ever win the lottery, Merging.
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Post by macca on Dec 12, 2020 8:59:45 GMT
I wonder if these expensive DACs are actually worth it. Is it like buying the 'Ghia' instead of the much cheaper 'L' version? Sure you get the velour seats, the fake wood trim and the badge, but is it really any better to drive?
I don't trust the professional reviewers and the opinions of ordinary users seen to vary wildly.
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 12, 2020 9:33:45 GMT
I wonder if these expensive DACs are actually worth it. Is it like buying the 'Ghia' instead of the much cheaper 'L' version? Sure you get the velour seats, the fake wood trim and the badge, but is it really any better to drive? I don't trust the professional reviewers and the opinions of ordinary users seen to vary wildly. I've heard a couple of expensive DACs now, one used by misterc (can't remember the name) and the Chord DAVE. What I haven't heard is an eye wateringly expensive DAC Vs a sensible DAC in the same system. I think a bake off of DACs, in a good room with a good system, would be very beneficial in seeing what lies beyond the level we forumites seem to be comfortable spending. I'd quite like to do it so the DAC playing is unknown to the listener. I think that would be interesting and beneficial too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2020 9:41:02 GMT
It would be interesting to know if I could really tell the difference, and if I prefer the sound of the more expensive DAC. However, a travel ban to the U.K. after a no deal Brexit is looking more and more likely until this pandemic is over.
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Post by misterc on Dec 12, 2020 9:47:52 GMT
I did mention to Oli I would be happy hosting a dac evaluation day for this purpose. Can set up a representative forum system that can take a dac, SPL meter (level matching very important) and could run the demo as a 'covered event' as this is purely a fact finding exercise I have no vested interest in pushing dac 'x' over 'y' Can also have a real time spectrum analyzer available to measure each dac's response (whether you actually hear differences in relation to the various plots) Also happy to demonstrate each dac's ability to generate RF down the analogue outputs way above 20Khz. Can also do this is a way were a blind test is applied if you wish Regarding expensive V's cheap dac I can find a Dave somewhere I think thought that will be a two way test the more costly dac in the representative system then the inexpensive dac in a systems more representative of its cost. For the myself the main differences between the more expensive dac's and say good dac's under £3K are the following observations: Much thinner sounds, far less texture, decay sound staging, low level detail retrieval, bass extension, texture and articulation and solidity. Plus the big one fluidity and naturalness. Does make the less costlier dac's bad in any way at all, though do remember system balance placing a really good component into a system which overwhelms the rest of the system it is placed in will totally upset the balance of virtues of that system what ever the system is vinyl/CD or streaming.
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