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Post by karma67 on Sept 6, 2020 6:24:10 GMT
i've got a couple of new cartridges to try coming up.
a new Audio-Technica AT33PTG/II
and another Ortofon Kontrapunkt b,i love this cartridge and this example has only 20 hrs on it.
happy days!
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 6, 2020 6:43:47 GMT
It's common knowledge that I am a huge fan of the Kb. That looks to be a very nice find....in slightly jealous lol.
The AT......
For the money, unbeatable value.
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Post by karma67 on Sept 6, 2020 6:54:33 GMT
It's common knowledge that I am a huge fan of the Kb. That looks to be a very nice find....in slightly jealous lol. The AT...... For the money, unbeatable value. i have a thought chipping away in the back of my mind that there's not a huge difference between a stock kb and the vienna upgrade one i have.if im honest it didn't scream out at me when i first heard it . we shall see.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 6, 2020 7:30:12 GMT
It's common knowledge that I am a huge fan of the Kb. That looks to be a very nice find....in slightly jealous lol. The AT...... For the money, unbeatable value. i have a thought chipping away in the back of my mind that there's not a huge difference between a stock kb and the vienna upgrade one i have.if im honest it didn't scream out at me when i first heard it . we shall see.
There isn't a great deal between the Vienna and the Kb. The family resemblance is very strong, so I suspect the Modded Kb is not that far away from either, sitting somewhere between the two. Can't be a bad thing that you had the work done as it is a great cart to begin with |
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Post by rexton on Sept 6, 2020 7:36:51 GMT
I had the at-oc9/ii I could not get on the extremely high treble and that's coming from a metal head!!!!
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 6, 2020 8:40:43 GMT
I had the at-oc9/ii I could not get on the extremely high treble and that's coming from a metal head!!!! The AT33II is a lot more refined. I lived with one for a few months while I waited for a few bits to come together. It's a very good cartridge but it does have a couple of niggles that I will keep to myself for now. See what Jamie thinks after extensive listening |
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Post by jimbo on Sept 6, 2020 9:12:56 GMT
They would be certainly on my list to try Jamie, in fact I had the Kb for a while and really liked it however my 2M Black gave it a spanking!  |
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Post by rexton on Sept 6, 2020 9:17:20 GMT
I must admit to having itch to try some more AT carts. I'm a little spoilt for choice at the moment as I have a few things coming in the post.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 6, 2020 10:14:19 GMT
They would be certainly on my list to try Jamie, in fact I had the Kb for a while and really liked it however my 2M Black gave it a spanking! I'm not having that statement one bit lol The SUT you had to use with the Kb will have been a huge factor in that comparison. We can stick both through my BB3 and re-evaluate at some point. In my experience, the SUT makes or breaks a cartridge, and more often or not it's not a good thing to have in the chain imo. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 10:19:52 GMT
They would be certainly on my list to try Jamie, in fact I had the Kb for a while and really liked it however my 2M Black gave it a spanking! I'm not having that statement one bit lol The SUT you had to use with the Kb will have been a huge factor in that comparison. We can stick both through my BB3 and re-evaluate at some point. In my experience, the SUT makes or breaks a cartridge, and more often or not it's not a good thing to have in the chain imo. It is a well known fact that Jimbo loves his 2M Black. I had one for a wh8le, but moved it on, as it was not for me. Cartridges are such a personal choice, and heavily system dependant. I want to get myself an ART-9, but I am being sensible until I know my job is secure. |
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Post by jimbo on Sept 6, 2020 13:04:04 GMT
I am sure the BB3 will make a way better fist of bringing out the best in both MC cartridges to the point it maybe a level playing field with the 2M FGS |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 6, 2020 13:59:42 GMT
I am sure the BB3 will make a way better fist of bringing out the best in both MC cartridges to the point it maybe a level playing field with the 2M FGS I am really looking forward to hearing the Kilian fettled 2M Black. As you know Jim, I felt it a wee bit strident in original guise, but no doubt from your review a while back that Kilian has removed this. I totally expect it to be a top class cart. I wasn't suggesting you need a BB3 for such conclusions, just that it has MM/MC built in, and thus it would be far easier and probably fairer by using one rather than adding suts and extra cables with the Croft. Any MM/MC Phonostage would be sufficient. |
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Post by karma67 on Sept 8, 2020 18:40:13 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 8, 2020 18:45:43 GMT
Yes! Is it better than you thought (initially ofc) |
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Post by karma67 on Sept 8, 2020 19:03:40 GMT
ive not read anything negative about it so my only concern was how it fairs to the kb,fortunately after 30 mins of listening i didn't feel the need to remove it and put the kb back in lol.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 8, 2020 20:30:48 GMT
ive not read anything negative about it so my only concern was how it fairs to the kb,fortunately after 30 mins of listening i didn't feel the need to remove it and put the kb back in lol. Good cartridges... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 8:56:09 GMT
And an absolute bargain if you find them at the right price.
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Post by karma67 on Sept 12, 2020 16:03:48 GMT
so after listening all day and swapping the cartridges here's my thoughts.
the AT-33 is a great cartridge for the money no doubt but does it better my Ortofon Kontrapunkt b ? Well no is the answer,whilst it does take you on a lovely detailed journey which would seem not to be lacking it was not until i put my Ortofon Kontrapunkt b back in that i realised what id been missing,
this one has i was told by the seller only 20 hrs use and gawd does it sound like it,immediately i was struck by the meaty drive this cartridge has,strings also have a tactile nature to the sound now,there is more energy and verve.
The Ortofon Kontrapunkt b will be staying on,the AT-33 will be going back its stay here was pleasant enough but has made me appreciate the ortofon even more now.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 12, 2020 16:32:15 GMT
so after listening all day and swapping the cartridges here's my thoughts. the AT-33 is a great cartridge for the money no doubt but does it better my Ortofon Kontrapunkt b ? Well no is the answer,whilst it does take you on a lovely detailed journey which would seem not to be lacking it was not until i put my Ortofon Kontrapunkt b back in that i realised what id been missing, this one has i was told by the seller only 20 hrs use and gawd does it sound like it,immediately i was struck by the meaty drive this cartridge has,strings also have a tactile nature to the sound now,there is more energy and verve. The Ortofon Kontrapunkt b will be staying on,the AT-33 will be going back its stay here was pleasant enough but has made me appreciate the ortofon even more now. No surprise mate. That's the exact journey I took on my path the the HA103-SEL and it's absolutely right what you say. The AT has bags of performance for the money and is easily worth its price but you get so much more of everything from the kB. I am very interested in your thoughts Vs the Vienna'd Kb |
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Post by karma67 on Sept 12, 2020 17:36:13 GMT
so after listening all day and swapping the cartridges here's my thoughts. the AT-33 is a great cartridge for the money no doubt but does it better my Ortofon Kontrapunkt b ? Well no is the answer,whilst it does take you on a lovely detailed journey which would seem not to be lacking it was not until i put my Ortofon Kontrapunkt b back in that i realised what id been missing, this one has i was told by the seller only 20 hrs use and gawd does it sound like it,immediately i was struck by the meaty drive this cartridge has,strings also have a tactile nature to the sound now,there is more energy and verve. The Ortofon Kontrapunkt b will be staying on,the AT-33 will be going back its stay here was pleasant enough but has made me appreciate the ortofon even more now. No surprise mate. That's the exact journey I took on my path the the HA103-SEL and it's absolutely right what you say. The AT has bags of performance for the money and is easily worth its price but you get so much more of everything from the kB. I am very interested in your thoughts Vs the Vienna'd Kb you can hear the differences yourself soon! |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 12, 2020 21:09:09 GMT
No surprise mate. That's the exact journey I took on my path the the HA103-SEL and it's absolutely right what you say. The AT has bags of performance for the money and is easily worth its price but you get so much more of everything from the kB. I am very interested in your thoughts Vs the Vienna'd Kb you can hear the differences yourself soon! Yes, just need a date! |
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Post by karma67 on Sept 19, 2020 9:06:48 GMT
the vienna spec kb is currently in to hear how it compares to the stock kb,this may take a while! lol
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Post by sq225917 on Sept 19, 2020 15:40:55 GMT
Keep us posted
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Post by karma67 on Sept 19, 2020 15:51:25 GMT
just stopped for tea, its certainly holding its own,in fact im wondering why its for sale! there is a difference i feel and im leaning towards the stock one ever so slightly. more to follow tomorrow when the stock one goes in.
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