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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 8:08:27 GMT
Ring stuck indoors for the foreseeable future, I have plenty of time to browse “LeBonCoin” and I was wondering if there are any Classic French speakers from Manufacturers like Cabasse, Jean-Marie Renaud, Focal, JM-Labs etc. that would be worth buying.
I was thinking of something with a large bass driver.
The alternative would be to pick up a pair of Quad ESL 57 or 63, but that would need a serious reorganisation of my listening space to fit them In. I could do it, but it won’t be easy to achieve. I would need to put my race-simulator and desk elsewhere.
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Post by dsjr on Mar 25, 2020 9:26:22 GMT
It seems many mainland Europe models of old used to be paint strippers/filling removers as a given, but this has changed in more recent times (current Focals seem quite tame it seems). Quad 57s need you to sit in one spot only if the beaming hf isn't to be an issue (Peter Walker did once apparently say that the Spendor BC1 was a better speaker than the 57, but I can't verify when and where he said it and none of you will believe me anyway). The 63's are now all coming unstuck and falling apart to varying degrees, so good luck on that one...
Not sure how many Euro-boxes have had larger bass drivers as I doubt any that existed ever came over here? You know, I'd chuck caution to the wind and look at proper professional monitors, which may look shite (an issue for the likes of me currently) but will sound a hell of a lot better than typical domestic boxes ime.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 11:57:38 GMT
Any suggestions on pro monitors?
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Post by macca on Mar 25, 2020 12:49:11 GMT
I only ever heard one pair of Cabasse and I thought they were excellent - quite a big two-way standmount but no idea of the model. It was a long time ago.
Don't know about JM Labs pre Focal ownership but the ones I have are outstanding speakers, can't fault them.
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Post by jandl100 on Mar 25, 2020 16:16:45 GMT
The only French speakers I've had at home are the glass chassised Waterfall Evo - I did a review back in my Hifi Pig days. They were pretty good but didn't do shake the wall bass with large drivers. I've heard various Cabasse at shows and liked them, I can understand why they sell well. Once again, best of luck finding a large bass driver, I suspect. Not a fan of the older Focals, unless you spend big dosh, they're too bright and "hifi" for me - I think they work better with rock etc than classical. French speaker? - There's always these ....  |
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Post by dsjr on Mar 25, 2020 16:35:33 GMT
European Pro models? Focal have a range which have been popular. K&H I believe became Neumann and are well thought of. It's UK but I'm a confirmed ATC lover. have a look in 'Sound on Sound' for their online reviews. I'd add that pro speakers tend to give it like it is, where domestic passives tend to smooth over the edges (not the same as sounding dull)...
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Post by macca on Mar 25, 2020 16:48:03 GMT
usually the only thing different between the pro and the domestic version of any passive speaker is the finish.
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Post by jandl100 on Mar 25, 2020 17:23:08 GMT
usually the only thing different between the pro and the domestic version of any passive speaker is the finish. but the real pro monitors don't have a domestic equivalent and can be more of a warts and all presentation than many are used to. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 17:58:46 GMT
The other interesting thing is the MCRU no. 127 which are on sale, and have been for a while now.
The got good reviews, and basically look like a pair of Eddies as the base.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 18:02:43 GMT
Triangle Antal or any of the 2nd generation Triangles are worth searching out and there springs to mind a very stylish 60'ds design, the Elipsons, a well executed Renauld Vergnette design with some proper engineering and good reviews in the day. If you're feeling a bit flusher, the Triangle Magellan is also not half bad, although some I think found the horn (time aligned with the mids) a little immediate for their liking, despite being well integrated. Then there's a speaker you'll find pretty much world wide, Tannoy Cheviots (cough cough) which are a pretty safe bet. As with all factory Tannoys of the day, when you feel flush, ditch the cabinets for something decent and properly designed wrt consideration of removing the standing waves present in factory designs from the mid range. Culprit was mainly too short a depth and inadequate stiffness/bracing and this is true of just about all factory cabs of the day.
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Post by macca on Mar 25, 2020 19:22:56 GMT
usually the only thing different between the pro and the domestic version of any passive speaker is the finish. but the real pro monitors don't have a domestic equivalent What are you counting as a 'real' pro monitor though? PMC do their top studio monitor as a domestic version with a wood finish, as an example, but is the exact same speaker. Bloody good, too. |
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Post by jandl100 on Mar 25, 2020 19:59:50 GMT
I don't think most pro companies do domestic speaker versions.
But maybe most real pro monitors are active?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 21:42:54 GMT
Triangle Antal or any of the 2nd generation Triangles are worth searching out and there springs to mind a very stylish 60'ds design, the Elipsons, a well executed Renauld Vergnette design with some proper engineering and good reviews in the day. If you're feeling a bit flusher, the Triangle Magellan is also not half bad, although some I think found the horn (time aligned with the mids) a little immediate for their liking, despite being well integrated. Then there's a speaker you'll find pretty much world wide, Tannoy Cheviots (cough cough) which are a pretty safe bet. As with all factory Tannoys of the day, when you feel flush, ditch the cabinets for something decent and properly designed wrt consideration of removing the standing waves present in factory designs from the mid range. Culprit was mainly too short a depth and inadequate stiffness/bracing and this is true of just about all factory cabs of the day. Cheapest pair of Cheviots Imfound was €1200, with a pair on eBay at €2000 advertised elsewhere for €1400. Then I need to add in the cost of some new cabs.... Not cheap. A big gamble to take on something I have never heard. I have a feeling that based on the quality of the craftsmanship involved, they RefFC version will be slightly ,ore than my wife wants me to pay. |
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Post by jandl100 on Mar 26, 2020 6:59:03 GMT
Tannoys are definitely a Marmite brand.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 26, 2020 10:25:29 GMT
Look remarkably similar to Edingdales, I've heard mixed things about Eddies too. Some rave, some definitely do not. With speakers, you have to live with them for a bit, but I certainly wouldn't be springing nearly £3k on a set. Especially knowing what can be bought for half that |
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Post by macca on Mar 26, 2020 10:55:25 GMT
Colin, Scott and Nick all know what they are doing so I'd be very surprised if they weren't good.
I've never seen anyone say the Edingdales were poor -- but if you have a load of tat for amplification good speakers will show that up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 11:18:18 GMT
Look remarkably similar to Edingdales, I've heard mixed things about Eddies too. Some rave, some definitely do not. With speakers, you have to live with them for a bit, but I certainly wouldn't be springing nearly £3k on a set. Especially knowing what can be bought for half that They do. That is what interests me. Either that, or some good sounding floor standers. Quad ESL63 are another option, but finding a good pair locally will be difficult. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 11:18:51 GMT
Colin, Scott and Nick all know what they are doing so I'd be very surprised if they weren't good. I've never seen anyone say the Edingdales were poor -- but if you have a load of tat for amplification good speakers will show that up.b The Neurochrome should be ok with them. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 11:36:43 GMT
Check out the Triangle models...some mentioned in the post I made earlier. You're unlikely to be disappointed at what they might set you back for.
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Post by macca on Mar 26, 2020 11:38:13 GMT
Colin, Scott and Nick all know what they are doing so I'd be very surprised if they weren't good. I've never seen anyone say the Edingdales were poor -- but if you have a load of tat for amplification good speakers will show that up.b The Neurochrome should be ok with them. That should be okay with anything. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 11:44:17 GMT
Check out the Triangle models...some mentioned in the post I made earlier. You're unlikely to be disappointed at what they might set you back for. I was looking for some Magellans, but they are few and far between, apart from the new models. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 11:50:12 GMT
Check out the Triangle models...some mentioned in the post I made earlier. You're unlikely to be disappointed at what they might set you back for. Something like this - link |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 11:55:36 GMT
Or this - link
I think I prefer the ones above, as they are new from a decent dealer. Bargain price as well. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 26, 2020 13:36:52 GMT
Colin, Scott and Nick all know what they are doing so I'd be very surprised if they weren't good. I've never seen anyone say the Edingdales were poor -- but if you have a load of tat for amplification good speakers will show that up. No, not saying poor. No way never, no nay. What was said to me, when I was looking at them for me, was this: "Ollie, The Eddingdales are BIG speakers. If you haven't got room for them, they will overload your space bit bass. They're good speaker but I never they dont rival the high end stuff, like the big B&Ws etc. They are very musical, very enjoyable but they aren't as refined as some speakers I've heard. I've enjoyed mine but time has come to trade up. Build quality is impeccable but mine have a couple of little bumps from when we moved" This was from the seller of a pair, quite some time back. He doesn't have Sh#t amplification or sources and has room enough to get the best out of them. I have removed a couple of tell tale remarks to protect the identity of the seller, as a precaution. There were a few comments like these that were sent to me and pushed me to keep looking. I'm not rubbishing the speakers as the guys behind them do have a great reputation that they have earned. Also, I have never heard a pair. As for the guys behind the MCRU speaker: I am a NG fan. I love his stuff and he knows more about this stuff than I will ever be able to learn. I am sure the speakers are very good, but I wouldnt spent £3k on a pair. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 26, 2020 13:38:27 GMT
Or this - link
I think I prefer the ones above, as they are new from a decent dealer. Bargain price as well. I'd go for the €400 pair. Check the sound is to your liking then you can go bigger later.. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 13:41:14 GMT
Nor would I.
£1200 shipped. But they are black. Basically Eddies with a rear tweeter.
HiFi World 5 star review,
I have contacted HiFi.fr about the Triangles. I have a feeling they are a bit of a marmite brand as well, from what I have read.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 26, 2020 13:43:54 GMT
Nor would I. £1200 shipped. But they are black. Basically Eddies with a rear tweeter. HiFi World 5 star review, I have contacted HiFi.fr about the Triangles. I have a feeling they are a bit of a marmite brand as well, from what I have read. Yep, I've read that but it's usually caused by those that dont like to really hear what their system sounds like lol |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 13:47:48 GMT
So, €1300 vs €1150, so a similar price.
Anything better, and not just French out there for the money?
The wife won’t undersrtand and selling the FH3 will not be easy.
I guess I should try my Cyrus CLS70 first.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 14:33:20 GMT
The dealer has responded, and suggests that the Modulus 86 will not be man enough power wise for the triangle speakers.
What are your thoughts on this?
They have a sensitivity of 92dB. They should be ok?
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