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Post by jimbo on Jun 15, 2020 7:42:34 GMT
Thanks Andy, took 6 coats but quite pleased with the finish. It looks very close to the original. I dont think I will be going down the SAS route just yet as they are a bit pricey and I have a spare 2M Black I can spanner in which is even better. I've had the M55e/Jico SAS combo and I wasn't keen on it so sold it on, there was something about the tone on certain instruments that I didn't like. Mind you I've had a 2m Black too and didn't like that either so what do I know 😂 You would probably like the combination I have currently set up on my Lenco which is the M55e with a standard Jico stylus. I have compared this to the NOS Shure stylus and it is better. More refined, cleaner detail retrieval and excellent tonal quality. The acid test for tonal quality in my book is trumpets and brass intruments especially those played in jazz. If you can tame and handle these well without a brash thin brightness, which is what a lot of cartridges do then you are onto a good thing.
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Post by macca on Jun 15, 2020 7:52:03 GMT
No-one ever tries a Shure M75ED and yet that was their best one?
I know where I can get one if anyone wants to give it a try.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 15, 2020 7:55:26 GMT
No-one ever tries a Shure M75ED and yet that was their best one? I know where I can get one if anyone wants to give it a try. I had one....hated it. Dull, lifeless and very dark sounding. I bough a new stylus for is too. Put me off shure carts for life.
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Post by jimbo on Jun 15, 2020 7:55:57 GMT
No-one ever tries a Shure M75ED and yet that was their best one? I know where I can get one if anyone wants to give it a try. This has the same size elliptical stylus as the M55.
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Post by brian2957 on Jun 15, 2020 11:05:18 GMT
Excellent write up James , and one I've been waiting for , as you know . I'm in the same position as you with a GL75 fitted with an AT95ex . I also have an M55e which requires a stylus so have a decision to make regarding the Jico stylus . I will have to have a think about that but thanks for the write up mate
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Post by jimbo on Jun 15, 2020 11:25:53 GMT
Excellent write up James , and one I've been waiting for , as you know . I'm in the same position as you with a GL75 fitted with an AT95ex . I also have an M55e which requires a stylus so have a decision to make regarding the Jico stylus . I will have to have a think about that but thanks for the write up mate Your welcome mate. It really boils down too what you value and how much you want to pay. If you already have an M55 cartridge body the Jico is very tempting but still £80 delivered all in!
The At95ex is quite upfront and immediate, like sitting in row 2. The M55e is like row 5. You get a bigger picture and more of what is going on with subtle and nuances the At cannot achieve.
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Post by jimbo on Jun 17, 2020 20:24:54 GMT
The M55e / Jico stylus simply gets better and better the more hours I put on it. I think it has reached the limit of its run in period and has developed a really nice soundstage with excellent depth. Detail and overall clarity have also gone up a notch. I am very impressed with this Jico stylus and it has exceeded expectation.
Tonight as I listen to the superbly recorded Myopia from Agnes Obel, her vocals are sublime and the multilayering in the recordings is excellent. She has used a lot more perspective and depth in the material on this album so it has a vast spacious feel. I am missing absolutely nothing with this stylus.
To be honest I thought the At95ex was going to be hard to beat but this Jico M55e has knocked it out the ring!
Happy vinyl listening.
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Post by brian2957 on Jun 17, 2020 20:45:56 GMT
Must be a cracking combination James because I know you were very happy with the AT95ex , as I am . I will be taking you up on your recommendation though and have ordered the Jico stylus today . Really looking forward to receiving it
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Post by jimbo on Jun 20, 2020 17:43:29 GMT
Nearly six months now since my Croft /VPI / 2M Black / Spendor SP2 system was in action but curiously having been listening to the retro system I put together recently Lenco GL75/ M55e / Pioneer SX 590 and Celestian DL6 speakers I am beginning to wonder if the gap in sound quality is really that large. My Croft system is highyly resolving and very transparent and my memory does tell me it has the edge but listening to the Lenco system really has me thinking how much am I missing?
If I had put this system together when I first went back into vinyl I would have been more than happy with the result. Yes I can hear the limits of the system but they are tolerable. Having put the Shure M55e into the system has definitely given a boost to overall sound quality and performance. It is a very satisfying cartridge to listen too and just shows how important this fundamental transducer plays in delivering sound quality that elevates your system from the ordinary to something that gives it those special qualities your are looking for in music reproduction namely detail, transparency, a connection with the performance / instrument / vocalist and as I have written before a fundamental enjoyment of the musical performance.
When I lift the record off the platter I mutter to my self.. well that was f£*@ng great! This surely is the sign that a system is delivering a performance that keeps you wanting to listen and thoroughly enjoy music.
So maybe in the next few months as a lot of things are happening i will soon be able to lash the VPI / Croft system back together and learn the truth of just how far I think my current system has taken me or how close it is to the memory of my so called 'Audiophile' system.
I have nothing else to mess with on the Hifi front until the next chapter of my life starts!
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Post by brian2957 on Jun 20, 2020 18:34:06 GMT
Well hopefully it won't be too long before you're telling us how good your VPI / Croft / Spendor system sounds mate . Then you'll have 2 quality systems to listen to
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Post by rexton on Jun 20, 2020 19:58:00 GMT
I have nothing else to mess with on the Hifi front. Buy some crap Chinese components and build yourself a toilet system for when your reading the paper sitting on the throne!!!!
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Post by jimbo on Jun 20, 2020 20:29:00 GMT
A cheapo chinese system will be on the cards someday but its even more satisfying building a cheapo vintage retro system. Total cost £400 and excellent quality!
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Post by rexton on Jun 20, 2020 20:45:42 GMT
£400 is a very good price you've paid. The beauty of the cheap chinese system is that you can tweak to your hearts content and only pay pennies or recycle old equipment for upgrades. It's then easy to see how each "tweak" has improved the system (not that won't be hard)!!
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Post by jimbo on Jun 21, 2020 9:06:48 GMT
£400 is a very good price you've paid. The beauty of the cheap chinese system is that you can tweak to your hearts content and only pay pennies or recycle old equipment for upgrades. It's then easy to see how each "tweak" has improved the system (not that won't be hard)!! Yes lots of tweakablity with a Cheapy chinese system and stuff can be swapped in as other cheap stuff appears on your radar.
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Post by jimbo on Jul 16, 2020 11:44:45 GMT
Sorry not been contributing much to the site recently as I have been busy sorting out purchase of new house and finding somewhere with a suitable room to put my system in.
After many months without my hifi system up and running I am nearing lift off again. Hope it all still works although the actual first switch on might be still be a month away as I need to sort out some suitable electrics first! Getting quite excited about the prospect but a bit nervous how it will sound in a new room. It is a little larger than the one I had before so I feel that the purchase of some more suitable speakers maybe in order. Cant budget for them yet but I expect they may have to be big.
In the meantime I will roll on listening to by budget vintage system which has honestly given me a lot of pleasure as i have been listening to a lot of music without getting too concerned about the hifi aspect. I think it has certainly tided me over and I have relaxed with it in a way I never quite did with my other system. This maybe telling me something.....?
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Post by macca on Jul 16, 2020 11:46:58 GMT
Pics of new room required...
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Post by jimbo on Jul 16, 2020 11:49:26 GMT
Pics of new room required... I will pop one on later.
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Post by firebottle on Jul 16, 2020 12:00:12 GMT
A sub may be a good direction to take in the larger room James, preserving what you like about the SP2's. As offered before I could bring mine over to try out to give you the flavour of a sub system, it is fully configurable.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 16, 2020 12:04:56 GMT
Sorry not been contributing much to the site recently as I have been busy sorting out purchase of new house and finding somewhere with a suitable room to put my system in. After many months without my hifi system up and running I am nearing lift off again. Hope it all still works although the actual first switch on might be still be a month away as I need to sort out some suitable electrics first! Getting quite excited about the prospect but a bit nervous how it will sound in a new room. It is a little larger than the one I had before so I feel that the purchase of some more suitable speakers maybe in order. Cant budget for them yet but I expect they may have to be big. In the meantime I will roll on listening to by budget vintage system which has honestly given me a lot of pleasure as i have been listening to a lot of music without getting too concerned about the hifi aspect. I think it has certainly tided me over and I have relaxed with it in a way I never quite did with my other system. This maybe telling me something.....? Jim (he's posh you know!) the listening room you have now, is probably 2.5x bigger than the one you had before lol....."a little larger" lol Gonna nickname you "modest Jim" It's got motorised garage doors!!! Hahaha, electrics are shocking though (pun intended)
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Post by macca on Jul 16, 2020 12:33:45 GMT
Sorry not been contributing much to the site recently as I have been busy sorting out purchase of new house and finding somewhere with a suitable room to put my system in. After many months without my hifi system up and running I am nearing lift off again. Hope it all still works although the actual first switch on might be still be a month away as I need to sort out some suitable electrics first! Getting quite excited about the prospect but a bit nervous how it will sound in a new room. It is a little larger than the one I had before so I feel that the purchase of some more suitable speakers maybe in order. Cant budget for them yet but I expect they may have to be big. In the meantime I will roll on listening to by budget vintage system which has honestly given me a lot of pleasure as i have been listening to a lot of music without getting too concerned about the hifi aspect. I think it has certainly tided me over and I have relaxed with it in a way I never quite did with my other system. This maybe telling me something.....? It's got motorised garage doors!!! It must be like living in a futuristic wonderland!
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Post by jimbo on Jul 17, 2020 5:51:08 GMT
Sorry not been contributing much to the site recently as I have been busy sorting out purchase of new house and finding somewhere with a suitable room to put my system in. After many months without my hifi system up and running I am nearing lift off again. Hope it all still works although the actual first switch on might be still be a month away as I need to sort out some suitable electrics first! Getting quite excited about the prospect but a bit nervous how it will sound in a new room. It is a little larger than the one I had before so I feel that the purchase of some more suitable speakers maybe in order. Cant budget for them yet but I expect they may have to be big. In the meantime I will roll on listening to by budget vintage system which has honestly given me a lot of pleasure as i have been listening to a lot of music without getting too concerned about the hifi aspect. I think it has certainly tided me over and I have relaxed with it in a way I never quite did with my other system. This maybe telling me something.....? Jim (he's posh you know!) the listening room you have now, is probably 2.5x bigger than the one you had before lol....."a little larger" lol Gonna nickname you "modest Jim" It's got motorised garage doors!!! Hahaha, electrics are shocking though (pun intended) I better not open the garage doors and turn my system on at the same time as it may put too much strain on the electrics lol
I will try and get a separate ring main put into the ROOM when I get it rewired?
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 17, 2020 5:53:38 GMT
Jim (he's posh you know!) the listening room you have now, is probably 2.5x bigger than the one you had before lol....."a little larger" lol Gonna nickname you "modest Jim" It's got motorised garage doors!!! Hahaha, electrics are shocking though (pun intended) I better not open the garage doors and turn my system on at the same time as it may put too much strain on the electrics lol
I will try and get a separate ring main put into the ROOM when I get it rewired?
Hahaha, its fine. Yes! You ideally want a separate ring off the tails, rather than have it in the same consumer unit as the rest of the house. COMPLETELY separate.
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Post by stevew on Jul 17, 2020 6:23:51 GMT
Welcome back Jim !
We have a Victorian place.. one thing I wish I’d done is put in an Ethernet network when we had wiring work done. I’ve sort of done it after the event, but thankfully because many of the floorboards are easy to pull up. Cheers
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 17, 2020 6:36:48 GMT
Welcome back Jim ! We have a Victorian place.. one thing I wish I’d done is put in an Ethernet network when we had wiring work done. I’ve sort of done it after the event, but thankfully because many of the floorboards are easy to pull up. Cheers Oh that's a great shout! *Applauds*
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Post by jimbo on Jul 17, 2020 9:16:01 GMT
Welcome back Jim ! We have a Victorian place.. one thing I wish I’d done is put in an Ethernet network when we had wiring work done. I’ve sort of done it after the event, but thankfully because many of the floorboards are easy to pull up. Cheers thanks Steve. I am putting new electrics in so may run some Ethernet cable if i get the boards up!
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I better not open the garage doors and turn my system on at the same time as it may put too much strain on the electrics lol
I will try and get a separate ring main put into the ROOM when I get it rewired?
Hahaha, its fine. Yes! You ideally want a separate ring off the tails, rather than have it in the same consumer unit as the rest of the house. COMPLETELY separate.
I am not a trained electrician but I still cannot get my head around what difference this can make (other than a dedicated circuit) as I still can't get away from the fact that at the very least the Neutrals will be commoned anyway....
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 17, 2020 10:18:59 GMT
Hahaha, its fine. Yes! You ideally want a separate ring off the tails, rather than have it in the same consumer unit as the rest of the house. COMPLETELY separate. I am not a trained electrician but I still cannot get my head around what difference this can make (other than a dedicated circuit) as I still can't get away from the fact that at the very least the Neutrals will be commoned anyway....
The idea being to take a separate Live, Earth and neutral off the tails entering the house, after the meter, but before the existing consumer unit. Effectively requiring two consumer units. Just one is very small. They do this frequently for Conservatories, kitchen extensions etc, because 9/10 existing consumer units are not set up for the load of more appliances. It's cheaper and easier just to add another CU. This will completely disconnect all the noisy stuff on the main Cu, and prevent fridges, freezers, oven and pretty much everything else on the ring mains in the house from polluting the single ring main for the listening room. The only thing is, it's then nullified a little if you plug anything else in, in that room. TVs, Satelite, routers etc. If you want the best possible results, you'd have an earth rod fitted just for that ring main too. Sound excessive, but a system can be revolutionised by having its own earth. Just a big copper steak hammered deep into the garden is all you need. It can be done.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 11:19:26 GMT
Yeah I get all that but that doesn't alter the fact the neutrals are commoned and any noise will be shared. I wouldn't recommend an earth rod either unless you know what the earthing arrangement is already, could be very unwise.
Well I've searched and cannot seem to find the info I'd previously seen around additional earth rods etc but anyway nobody is going to listen to some bloke on a forum re electrical safety are they so as you were
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Post by macca on Jul 17, 2020 11:33:52 GMT
I'm having a re-wire here in the next couple of months so have been reading up as to what is and isn't worth doing on the hi-fi side. separate run to the hi-fi, separate consumer unit and so on. On balance I don't think it is worth it. There's lot's of unsupported testimonials as to improved SQ and lots of science saying that there will be zero real effects.
I know I don't have any SQ issues in any case since I've had awesome SQ with the wirings as they are so I know there isn't any 'barrier' there.
I can understand going to all the effort and expense if you are getting interference from other equipment like lighting or refrigerators. Pops. clicks, static sounds and so on. Otherwise it would seem to be a waste of money and effort.
Even then I still thought about it just as a 'peace of mind' thing since the extra effort willbe the sparky's and a few hundred on top of a couple of grand doesn't seem outrageous cost-wise. But I'll save the couple of hundred I think as it does all seem to be another audiophle fantasy.
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Post by jimbo on Jul 17, 2020 11:52:35 GMT
I suspect that general noise on the mains can be just as polluting as fridges,cookers etc switching in and out. I notice a big improvement after 9pm at night when everyone else switches off their stuff and the noise floor drops.
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