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Post by hudz on Mar 28, 2020 15:18:29 GMT
Just wanted to show some solidarity with Paul, can we not please rise above the need to endlessly question and harangue those whose knowledge and expertise (often freely given) is testified to, by if nothing else, the sheer number of their satisfied customers.
I know we're all feeling a bit peevish at the moment but this is a time to demonstrate a sense of togetherness not to try score points off each other.
Just sayin'
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 28, 2020 15:21:51 GMT
OK...... dsjr@reffc sq225917Apologies, i should have go to this quicker, as i was alerted to it earlier today as a potential trip hazard. SO, Dave, you are arguing a moot point. No one, who would do these mods either A) cares for the "keep it original" mantra, so many dealer oriented folk seem to do or B) Believes the speakers are as good as they could be. Regardless of you "feeling you are right" about the performance of the speaker, Paul has already stated facts from a technical standpoint, about the speaker that can already be improved on. If Paul says he has investigated them and has fixed a few issues they have using his ability, knowledge and experience, then i for one am happy to accept that. I felt your question: "whats makes those inductors better than the original" to be a fair question. I also felt it was answered from a sufficiently technical standpoint to not need further comment. As far as any agenda goes, i am afraid it does read like you are questioning the validity of Pauls opinion and suggesting its an unnecessary upgrade designed at raising money. Simon, C'mon,you know "What dsjr knows about any technical matters regarding music replay can be written on the back of a stamp" is gonna be outside of whats acceptable! You are right in that Paul HAS earned his stripes, and does deserve the respect he's earned too. Also, yes i have to agree, those of us who aren't particularly interested in what "Bob's HiFi shop" have for sale, do seem to find there is a lack of understanding from those who are only interested in the usual shop cack. As already stated, and correctly so, Everything you buy from a manufacturer is going to have a compromise somewhere to keep it profitable. Modding gear can reap huge rewards from the base the manufacturer has given us to work from. Spending the money they wouldn't is how you get the best performance out of the stuff. NOW.... Lets put this to bed. No more aggro, playing the man or calling into question the motives of others. Thanks |
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Post by antonio on Mar 28, 2020 15:28:07 GMT
What I want to know is who's the spoilsport who 'spilled the beans' on this thread becoming a trip hazard. As soon as a thread get 'interesting' there's always one isn't there.  |
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Post by karma67 on Mar 28, 2020 15:29:06 GMT
In this case, you're taking a classic monitor worth quite a bit on its own in stock form and basically wiping out any collector's value by all these mods. How much can modded NS1000's be sold for outside of a handful of forum disciples? Same with all the Lenco bodges I AM well familiar with. A very limited market to sell to when this year's fave rave needs to be moved on to the next one. Maybe up north, where it all happens these days, is a more lucrative and willing market for diy projects - it used to be I remember. he's not doing anything of the sort! they are my fucking speakers and i'll do what i bloody like with them! if you had bothered to read my other post i said i have another spare set of crossovers to return them as they were. so how on earth am i wiping out any resale value?
before posting any other comments here perhaps you could answer that?
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 28, 2020 15:29:25 GMT
Just wanted to show some solidarity with Paul, can we not please rise above the need to endlessly question and harangue those whose knowledge and expertise (often freely given) is testified to, by if nothing else, the sheer number of their satisfied customers. I know we're all feeling a bit peevish at the moment but this is a time to demonstrate a sense of togetherness not to try score points off each other. Just sayin' Excellent sentiment. I applaud you! |
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 28, 2020 15:31:09 GMT
What I want to know is who's the spoilsport who 'spilled the beans' on this thread becoming a trip hazard. As soon as a thread get 'interesting' there's always one isn't there. Anonymity is the key to accurate informants. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 28, 2020 15:38:00 GMT
In this case, you're taking a classic monitor worth quite a bit on its own in stock form and basically wiping out any collector's value by all these mods. How much can modded NS1000's be sold for outside of a handful of forum disciples? Same with all the Lenco bodges I AM well familiar with. A very limited market to sell to when this year's fave rave needs to be moved on to the next one. Maybe up north, where it all happens these days, is a more lucrative and willing market for diy projects - it used to be I remember. he's not doing anything of the sort! they are my f#cking speakers and i'll do what i bloody like with them! if you had bothered to read my other post i said i have another spare set of crossovers to return them as they were. so how on earth am i wiping out any resale value? before posting any other comments here perhaps you could answer that?
I had a very interesting converation about this very subject the other day. Someone suggested that modding equipment can knock huge value off components, but then also recognised that if the mods had in fact been beneficial to the item, it could increase the value...... You know what the reason for the difference was? Who did the mods. Now if i was in the market for a set of NS1000's and they had external crossovers done by the owner, first thing i woild ask is "who did them" if the answer was "me" and your name isn't Ken Quinn, Sq216513216513216151 (lol) or RFC, then i am afraid you've just reduced the amount i'd pay. However, if i am seeing RFC inductors and some tasty caps etc, coupled with a "RFC did these" or "RFC helped me to do them myself" then you ain't gonna lose a penny. Same with tonearms....if it's been to J7 or Phonomac, it's always worth more than it would have been |
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Post by antonio on Mar 28, 2020 15:58:59 GMT
Don't forget Oli, all the above started somewhere, meaning you wouldn't buy something modded by them when they first started and unknown to forums. I just think common sense and talking to the person would give you a good idea, whether or not they were capable of doing mods. I've seen many DIY projects on forums that, for me, have been outstanding and would not have hesitated to buy if that item was needed.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 28, 2020 16:09:50 GMT
Don't forget Oli, all the above started somewhere, meaning you wouldn't buy something modded by them when they first started and unknown to forums. I just think common sense and talking to the person would give you a good idea, whether or not they were capable of doing mods. I've seen many DIY projects on forums that, for me, have been outstanding and would not have hesitated to buy if that item was needed. Well, i would lol....but i am happy to gamble but yes, i see your point. However, using a blanket assumption that value is automatically gonna decrease due to something being modded is wrong. It matters more as to WHOM did those mods and whether that was a justified mod or whether it was to hide some other nasty elsewhere. I know the SP10 community have decided that removing the mechanical brake from the TT is a mod. It isn't, it's bullshit. If that had been done, i'd leave it as you can't get the belt anymore. That would mean i pay less. Convert the strobe to LED from Neon, that would possibly add a little value if it was done the way Angus does it. |
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Post by karma67 on Mar 28, 2020 16:11:22 GMT
he's not doing anything of the sort! they are my f#cking speakers and i'll do what i bloody like with them! if you had bothered to read my other post i said i have another spare set of crossovers to return them as they were. so how on earth am i wiping out any resale value? before posting any other comments here perhaps you could answer that?
I had a very interesting converation about this very subject the other day. Someone suggested that modding equipment can knock huge value off components, but then also recognised that if the mods had in fact been beneficial to the item, it could increase the value...... You know what the reason for the difference was? Who did the mods. Now if i was in the market for a set of NS1000's and they had external crossovers done by the owner, first thing i woild ask is "who did them" if the answer was "me" and your name isn't Ken Quinn, Sq216513216513216151 (lol) or RFC, then i am afraid you've just reduced the amount i'd pay. However, if i am seeing RFC inductors and some tasty caps etc, coupled with a "RFC did these" or "RFC helped me to do them myself" then you ain't gonna lose a penny. Same with tonearms....if it's been to J7 or Phonomac, it's always worth more than it would have been yep i agree but once again for the third time lol i thought all that through before i even touched the speakers,hence why i bought the other crossovers,if i decided to sell them (which i doubt) they will be returned to stock,the crossovers sold to someone who wants to upgrade theres. thus both markets are happy and no pennys lost. |
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Post by mikeyb on Mar 28, 2020 16:31:20 GMT
Exactly why my Tannoy crossovers are still screwed into the front of them, so if I ever do sell I can return to stock and sell the RFC external crossovers separately |
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 28, 2020 17:55:57 GMT
I had a very interesting converation about this very subject the other day. Someone suggested that modding equipment can knock huge value off components, but then also recognised that if the mods had in fact been beneficial to the item, it could increase the value...... You know what the reason for the difference was? Who did the mods. Now if i was in the market for a set of NS1000's and they had external crossovers done by the owner, first thing i woild ask is "who did them" if the answer was "me" and your name isn't Ken Quinn, Sq216513216513216151 (lol) or RFC, then i am afraid you've just reduced the amount i'd pay. However, if i am seeing RFC inductors and some tasty caps etc, coupled with a "RFC did these" or "RFC helped me to do them myself" then you ain't gonna lose a penny. Same with tonearms....if it's been to J7 or Phonomac, it's always worth more than it would have been yep i agree but once again for the third time lol i thought all that through before i even touched the speakers,hence why i bought the other crossovers,if i decided to sell them (which i doubt) they will be returned to stock,the crossovers sold to someone who wants to upgrade theres. thus both markets are happy and no pennys lost. Sorry Jamie, that wasn't specific to your speakers, as i know you said ages ago that you'd aquired a spare set of crossovers in case you "fucked them up" lol Carry on squire, i applaud your investigations and investigations to make your speakers as good as they could be. |
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Post by sq225917 on Mar 28, 2020 19:38:32 GMT
Jesus Oli, I wouldn't touch a set of speakers I had modded...
I know enough to get dirty on the handful of circuits that ive spent enough time learning to know well but I'm no engineer.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 28, 2020 19:48:12 GMT
Jesus Oli, I wouldn't touch a set of speakers I had modded... I know enough to get dirty on the handful of circuits that ive spent enough time learning to know well but I'm no engineer. Hahaha I was only joking š¤£ You get the point though. If a Paradisenis built by you, it'll sell for more than if it was built by me.....that's the drift of the matter. |
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Post by sq225917 on Mar 28, 2020 20:49:20 GMT
But what if I matched the parts and you built it...
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 28, 2020 21:22:56 GMT
But what if I matched the parts and you built it... Oh, well now that's a different story... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 9:00:53 GMT
Dsjr, please don't involve me in your narrative. People can read our exchanges on h/s archive if they want to Know the truth. I will simply say I dont recall the army of consensual opinion you rely on and anyway that is to miss the point.
As for modifying them ,each to their own.personally however ,I want more facts and less rhetoric before undertaking such a task.
Thank you for allowing me right of reply. As you were.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 29, 2020 9:20:27 GMT
Dsjr, please don't involve me in your narrative. People can read our exchanges on h/s archive if they want to Know the truth. I will simply say I dont recall the army of consensual opinion you rely on and anyway that is to miss the point. As for modifying them ,each to their own.personally however ,I want more facts and less rhetoric before undertaking such a task. Thank you for allowing me right of reply. As you were. Gentlemen, If there is a discussion to be had, please do so privately. |
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Post by aperiodic on Aug 24, 2022 7:53:59 GMT
Hi all, Seems temperature is rising to high levels here now and then. I am not going to argue "who started it" Let's keep it open and respectful for everyone. May I add some fresh info on the NS1000 just to inform you all that there are many ways for improvement...? This is the link : www.troelsgravesen.dk/Yamaha-NS1000.htm |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2022 9:04:06 GMT
Hi all, Seems temperature is rising to high levels here now and then. I am not going to argue "who started it" Let's keep it open and respectful for everyone. May I add some fresh info on the NS1000 just to inform you all that there are many ways for improvement...? This is the link : www.troelsgravesen.dk/Yamaha-NS1000.htmInteresting first post on a forumā¦. |
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Post by sq225917 on Aug 24, 2022 20:30:55 GMT
It was Troels mods that were the spark to the flame that ignited the desire for change in many ns1000 owners. 2 years down the line I've still not fitted Paul's inductors to my pair.
Funnily enough out of all the hifi I own, apart from my cartridge, these are items are the least modified in my setup. And even then they're running raal ribbons with a new tweeter xo.
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