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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 7:41:38 GMT
I mentioned in another thread that I've never spent time with a shure cartridge. It's just not happened. Not for any other reason than by accident.. I'm thinking of trying a decent one but please.... your thought and experiences. 😕
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Post by dsjr on Dec 12, 2019 7:47:06 GMT
They're discontinued and only styli available are non-spec pattern types (which may be better, maybe not). V15's in surviving condition are getting silly money as well, way outside their capability.
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 12, 2019 8:06:51 GMT
I mentioned in another thread that I've never spent time with a shure cartridge. It's just not happened. Not for any other reason than by accident.. I'm thinking of trying a decent one but please.... your thought and experiences. 😕 www.stereophile.com/content/shure-v15-iii-phono-cartridgeI had one of these for a little while and thought it was very enjoyable. I liked it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 8:42:43 GMT
I had an M44-7 with a Joco Neo SAS stylus. It was pretty good, but I prefer my Technics EPC-205 with a Jico SAS stylus.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 9:02:13 GMT
I've had numerous Shure cartridges and still have a couple of M75 variants knocking about. My favourite all rounder was the M91ED.
Having owned just about every make of non MC cartridge (apart from Grace), I invariably find myself returning to ADC's when not using am MC. Good job I have a few with original and spare styli, they're scarce now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 9:41:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 15:41:33 GMT
I didn't realise they were defunct. Sorry for the nonsense post then.
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Post by dsjr on Dec 12, 2019 17:08:41 GMT
I could type loads, but since most don't give a sh#t, have a trawl through Vinyl Engine for chapter and verse... I can't afford one yet, but I have a sneaky suspicion that a AT VM95ML would easily out-perform any V15 up to a VMR and a AT VM540 or 740 upwards may well be on a different plane.. The 740 uses the 540 stylus but the metal body tempers the highs a touch which is good or bad depending on your stereo - Use a translator - www.lowbeats.de/test-audio-technica-vm540ml/2/www.lowbeats.de/test-audio-technica-vm740ml/I love the closing comment in the 740 review - the Ortofon 2M Bronze in comparison 'Goes off like the fire department!' I've never had it described as such, but I hear what the reviewer means - and I love this exciting style of presentation although others don't so much... A Goldring 1042 does this a bit in a Rega 3.
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Post by rexton on Dec 31, 2019 16:25:39 GMT
The M55E (USA) version is cheap and cheerful and easily surpasses the V15 mk3 with a decent neoSAS JICO stylus.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2019 16:39:28 GMT
What standard of comparison are we'r talking about ?
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Post by dsjr on Dec 31, 2019 16:45:28 GMT
The generator of the M44/55 is dated though and goes back to the early 60's, so you're partnering a beefy bass with suspect definition, with the inevitable mid treble suckout (heard as a restraint rather than dullness) and although the SAS will all but remove the hf peak the original stylus had, which although not strictly audible, the phono stages wouldn't care for it, you cannot get past the dated generator design. Maybe you prefer the laid back balance? The diamond on a stock original M55E/II I looked at was awful and not well ground either, as were many 70's styli from non-japanese sources. After being shocked at how much better a V15 IIIHE was compared to a good previous VN35E elliptical stylus was, I'd go for a V15 III body with SAS stylus (and yes, I'd use 'digital' as a proper reference, which doesn't go down well with some I know). I play records so damned rarely now and don't have the spare dosh, I'd try an SAS stylus for my V15 V (originally a love VMR until the stylus was accidentally damaged). Although the VMR wasn't the widest-open cartridge I've ever heard, the slightly more 'packaged' sound it used to offer was superb and very 'believable' in the right deck and arm.
You know, an ATVM95ML at £150 or less is probably all most people need these days to get a good solid sound from their records and general turntable systems of reasonable quality.
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Post by rexton on Dec 31, 2019 16:55:05 GMT
I've got the V15 III & VN35E elliptical stylus as well. These sit in a "vintage" system. Sometimes it's nice just to have a little fun playing around with older gear and accept it's limitations. I think we take this hobby too seriously sometimes. I think it's also pretty cool mating up old gear with new.
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 31, 2019 17:00:38 GMT
I've got the V15 III & VN35E elliptical stylus as well. These sit in a "vintage" system. Sometimes it's nice just to have a little fun playing around with older gear and accept it's limitations. I think we take this hobby too seriously sometimes. I think it's also pretty cool mating up old gear with new. If only I had space for more system lol
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Post by dsjr on Dec 31, 2019 17:30:34 GMT
Most of my regularly used stuff is vintage and I do have the V15III LM cartridge the Dual often came with (slimline body clipped and screwed into the Dual carrier), as well as a pukka one in a currently unused SME 'Improved' arm with fixed shell - sounds just a bit too relentless, even for this (mostly) digiphile. Absolutely spot on about mixing good old gear with current stuff and so much older 'meh' gear at the time can take on a whole new positive vibe if partnered and set up sympathetically. Taking it all too seriously - ME?
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Post by rexton on Dec 31, 2019 17:48:26 GMT
I've got the V15 III & VN35E elliptical stylus as well. These sit in a "vintage" system. Sometimes it's nice just to have a little fun playing around with older gear and accept it's limitations. I think we take this hobby too seriously sometimes. I think it's also pretty cool mating up old gear with new. If only I had space for more system lol My room is busting with stuff. I really need a bigger room. I've two system that are setup permanently and a third "REAL SOUND" system that comes out every so often when i can be bothered to hump the bits in from my other room.
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 31, 2019 17:49:50 GMT
If only I had space for more system lol My room is busting with stuff. I really need a bigger room. I've two system that are setup permanently and a third "REAL SOUND" system that comes out every so often when i can be bothered to hump the bits in from my other room. Yes, I remember you having a valve runner and a SS system.
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Post by rexton on Dec 31, 2019 18:01:55 GMT
My room is busting with stuff. I really need a bigger room. I've two system that are setup permanently and a third "REAL SOUND" system that comes out every so often when i can be bothered to hump the bits in from my other room. Yes, I remember you having a valve runner and a SS system. I still have them both and TBH I don't think I'll be doing any more modding. I may experiment with different carts. I have a Shure mono cartridge that I intend putting into a pure MONO system at some stage.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 9:59:32 GMT
Is the Shure Ultra 500 as good as people make out with the asking price of 2nd hand cartridges?
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Post by dsjr on Jan 25, 2020 12:02:38 GMT
The Ultra 500 was, for me, one to lust after, but for everyone else and to quote Ken Kessler, it 'educated' rather than 'entertained.' Nice solid outer body/mount and I suspect selected internal parts, but we're talking thirty odd years ago now and MM as well as cheaper MC designs have been further refined since then (I cite 2M Bronze and Black, together with the AT 540 and 700 models as evidence and AT F7 for MC types). Not sure (sorry) many were sold, especially in Europe, so that would hike prices today. There was also an Ultra 300 I believe, but no ideas about that one.
if you see a good one cheap, the VST-V gives you most of what the V15/Ultra series did, the diamond was better/finer than the 97XE I recall and at the time, it was half the price of the V15VMR.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 11:16:56 GMT
I have settled on a Shure ultra 500 cart with Jico sas stylus in a Martin bastin body, after using various carts including Benz wood sl and deccaC4S amongst others and ones I've heard in other people's set ups including io gold etc. I wouldn't swap the ultra for anything else. I paid £500 for mine used of course but now people are asking £850 and £1000 on eBay at the moment. A bit strong for a used cart with no warrantee
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Post by rexton on Apr 21, 2020 14:47:27 GMT
I have settled on a Shure ultra 500 cart with Jico sas stylus in a Martin bastin body, after using various carts including Benz wood sl and deccaC4S amongst others and ones I've heard in other people's set ups including io gold etc. I wouldn't swap the ultra for anything else. I paid £500 for mine used of course but now people are asking £850 and £1000 on eBay at the moment. A bit strong for a used cart with no warrantee £850 - 1000 for a second hand decades old cartridge, fookin hell I think we've gone mad!! I honestly think the market for such stuff will eventually implode when people realise the stupidity of how costly things are getting.
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Post by jimbo on Apr 23, 2020 19:08:35 GMT
The M55E (USA) version is cheap and cheerful and easily surpasses the V15 mk3 with a decent neoSAS JICO stylus. i think the internals of the M55e and V15 mk3 are very similar, its just the cartridge body that is different. Of course the Jico SAS blows the V15 mk3 out the water!
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Post by rexton on Apr 23, 2020 20:13:50 GMT
I've found a M75ED sitting around that I haven't tried yet. I wonder if its any good?
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Post by jimbo on Apr 23, 2020 20:19:34 GMT
I've found a M75ED sitting around that I haven't tried yet. I wonder if its any good? Could be Ok,
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Post by rexton on Apr 23, 2020 20:25:58 GMT
I know it works. It came on a Thorens TD160 i'm doing up for the other half.
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Post by jimbo on Apr 26, 2020 18:36:31 GMT
I think I should try a V15 but they are getting soooo expensive!
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Post by rexton on Apr 26, 2020 19:50:40 GMT
I think I should try a V15 but they are getting soooo expensive! You can have mine for £10000000. Only had seventeen owners, probably 20-30 thousand hours on the original NOS stylus, still got plenty of life.
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Post by jimbo on Apr 26, 2020 20:03:45 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 22:09:41 GMT
Honestly? For less money you can buy a new 1042 with Geiger S which blows the V15/3 out of the water and most people wont be using the low mass tonearms which the V15 was designed for. I've owned the Mk2,3 and 4 and whilst OK and the 3 was my fave, they tracked well but are outclassed by the latest 1042 in a medium mass tonearm. Prices are silly.
As for a Shure Ultra...stick £400 more onto that and just buy a new ZYX 100 Ultra...it's better in every way imaginable, that or a good used Shelter 5000 or Transfiguration MC.
AFAIK it was the M95 which shares a similar generator body to the V15...try buying a used 95He these days....like rocking horse poo. I had one and whilst it was ok and wuit entertaining in a non-analytical way without the darkness of the M75s it wasn't any better than a lot of good entry to mid level MMs these days. Lots of rose tinted specs when it comes to carts. I'm just as guilty as anyone as I still would like to find another NOS Sonus Blue Gold.
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Post by rexton on Apr 27, 2020 8:17:37 GMT
I'll have to put the 1042 on my watch list I didn't realise it had the Geiger S profile. Probably a considerable upgrade on the M55E/Jico neoSAS stylus that I use. Newer generators for a start.
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