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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 15:35:08 GMT
BackgroundIn an overpopulated area of the HiFi market, used speakers are somewhat, 10-a-penny. A dizzying array of tall or short boxes, often seeming quite nice on the eye, yet slated in the listening. For me, this has been an area of utter reluctance, almost ignorance. I've heard speakers that have made me wince or fall asleep and some that sounded right. I hadn't heard anything other than the Yamaha NS1000 that made me want to delve into the market. I couldn't afford those, still cant. I opted to act on the recommendation of our very own Walpurgis and snap up a pair of Pioneer CS-77a. They did a lot of what I liked about the Yammies. Over time I had managed to all but forget what the Yammies did. Then I got a stark reminder of what "could" be. Macca's JMLabs electra's hit me like a football to the face on a frosty Sunday morning. All the refinement of the Yammies yet with more scale. Heavenly on the end of a Krell KSA50s. This, I was sure was where I'd end up. Alas, with no used pairs sold in almost two years, it seemed like a waiting game that wouldn't end. Then a glimmer of hope, a pair emerged but for £1000 on ebay. I didn't have the cash or the inclination to travel to London to fetch them. I kept telling myself that I was first in line for Macca's pair. His Tannoys were close to being finished. The wait was almost over. Let me set the scene for what happened next. Lying in bed, warm cup of tea, 2 sugars as a special treat. Perfect. A quick browse of Facebooks Marketplace and blam! There was that football again, smacking me in the face. A pair of Black speakers, marked only as "Black speakers for sale" One picture and it was side on. No driver pics, no pics of condition, nothing. Just a pic and an interesting price. I checked how long the advert had been up. One Week. Damn! I messaged the seller to see if he still had them and if I could go and have a look, confident that it would in vain. Sure enough, 12 hours passed and I hadn't heard back. Then a message. "Yes they are still here" I arranged with the seller to go and see them. His house was 5 streets away from mine and we struck a deal. I was the new owner of the Mordaunt Short Performance 880. The SpeakerThere isn't much in the way of information about these. What I have found out has been via other owners in old forum posts. Released in 1997 along with the 860 & 820. Full range speakers with Resinrock cabinets. Time aligned and featuring AIS (Acoustic Isolation System) More info here: i.postimg.cc/yYsSgrFQ/1151388563.jpgThanks to Jamie for this. The ListeningAs usual, there has been quite a lot of change in my system, but it's simple to hear how the speakers have performed. They deliver scale with an even hand across the frequency range. Seamless from top to bottom. Sometimes we hear speakers which can emphasis specific regions of frequency. That is not the case here. Vocals are human in their portrayal. They do not harden in the extremes and they deliver with utter poise and control. Violins and other stringed instruments are accurately resolved. The wooden body of the instrument is clearly audible. Yet its without warmth or midband emphasis. When pushed for more power, they go louder but lose nothing in clarity or control. They remain smooth and detailed. Delivering the Micro detail my ears crave. The aluminium dome tweeter has delicacy and finesse. One of the main concerns when one sees a metal tweeter, is whether it will be too aggressive. Again, Mordaunt-Short have delivered. HF is sweet and clean. The depth and width of the soundstage is grand and in a bigger room, they would sound bigger again. Soundstage accuracy is high with an ability to pinpoint instruments easily. Bass is taut and punchy but it's the detail in the bass that has caught my attention. No one note boom here! On Rodrigo y Gabriella - FOC live, the ability of the speakers to decipher every node and every touch, at breakneck speed, was breath taking. I mean that. The power and poise was eye opening. It's also digging up the Earth's core with the depth they go to. Mind boggling. I haven't found a genre of music that they cannot cope with. Nothing has flustered them or made them sound ragged. I have tried. SummaryI didn't look for these speakers. I didn't even know they existed. Sometimes you need to be lucky, and I certainly was. Not only to have found, what looks to be a rare speaker on the used marked, but the price I got them for. Luckier still after listening to them. My urge to try the JMLabs has been surgically removed, as has that of any speaker. The 880's are, in my humble opinion......EPIC. These speakers cost around £4k when new in 1997. I paid........£280. Thanks Facebook Some PicsI'll take some as best I can when I get a minute but for now: live.staticflickr.com/65535/49006644957_74c926f2c1_k.jpgwww.hifido.co.jp/photo/09/226/22636/a.jpg
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 15:39:29 GMT
Very nice work, Biggie. I'll happily give you £290.63 for those speakers. See.....you'll make an easy profit!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 18:01:14 GMT
Nice speakers. I recall both these and some large multi driver models from Celestion coming out within a short time as goes at the higher end of the market, getting good reviews, and then hearing little more about them... Celestion then stopped making hi fi speakers not long after AFAIK. I heard them briefly at a Heathrow show and liked what I heard.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 23:54:30 GMT
Very nice work, Biggie. I'll happily give you £290.63 for those speakers. See.....you'll make an easy profit! Haha, no chance Stevie. They are so rare, I'll never let them go. Be a collectors item one day lol
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 23:57:14 GMT
Nice speakers. I recall both these and some large multi driver models from Celestion coming out within a short time as goes at the higher end of the market, getting good reviews, and then hearing little more about them... Celestion then stopped making hi fi speakers not long after AFAIK. I heard them briefly at a Heathrow show and liked what I heard. Ah, well I'm also a fan of celestion, in general. My DL6 are still here and I still use them. They have a really easy way of making music but have great levels of detail. I'd like a pair of the posh ones, similar size but I forget the name. The 880s seem to have universal approval from the pro reviewers, which is encouraging. I absolutely love them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 10:23:43 GMT
I would.never find a bargain like that here in France. Maybe some old Cabasse if I was lucky, but I have no idea which model.is any good.
I did see some JBL L36 last night that looked tempting, and some 4410a, but the latter were €550. Hardly a bargain.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 11:53:55 GMT
I would.never find a bargain like that here in France. Maybe some old Cabasse if I was lucky, but I have no idea which model.is any good. I did see some JBL L36 last night that looked tempting, and some 4410a, but the latter were €550. Hardly a bargain. To be fair, it's not a weekly occurance! I e been looking at speakers on and off for about 12 months and whilst a fe came up that I fancied, they were all priced at what you'd expect. The thing I noticed was that I found these in a nonhifi place, Facebook. I seem to recall Jamie had a similar stroke of luck with his Yammies. I think he paid very little vs rrp for them, from an auction house after he'd found them online. I have started expanding my searches to auctions, estate clearances and the like.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 12:44:41 GMT
I would.never find a bargain like that here in France. Maybe some old Cabasse if I was lucky, but I have no idea which model.is any good. I did see some JBL L36 last night that looked tempting, and some 4410a, but the latter were €550. Hardly a bargain. I suppose it depends on how you define bargain. I'd say £550 for speakers I could enjoy for years is a bargain, even if they weren't a huge discount on new price. My Tannoys owe me £1K (500 to buy, 500 for the re-build of the drivers/x-overs). But I've now had them 8 years. £100/year doesn't seem to bad and it'll only get better
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 13:09:14 GMT
I would.never find a bargain like that here in France. Maybe some old Cabasse if I was lucky, but I have no idea which model.is any good. I did see some JBL L36 last night that looked tempting, and some 4410a, but the latter were €550. Hardly a bargain. To be fair, it's not a weekly occurance! I e been looking at speakers on and off for about 12 months and whilst a fe came up that I fancied, they were all priced at what you'd expect. The thing I noticed was that I found these in a nonhifi place, Facebook. I seem to recall Jamie had a similar stroke of luck with his Yammies. I think he paid very little vs rrp for them, from an auction house after he'd found them online. I have started expanding my searches to auctions, estate clearances and the like. Jamie was also lucky in getting Mordaunt Short's flagship model from the '80's the Signifer before he had the Yams... I'd love a pair of Signifer's!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 13:09:37 GMT
I suppose it depends on how you define bargain. I'd say £550 for speakers I could enjoy for years is a bargain, even if they weren't a huge discount on new price. My Tannoys owe me £1K (500 to buy, 500 for the re-build of the drivers/x-overs). But I've now had them 8 years. £100/year doesn't seem to bad and it'll only get better I think a big issue with buying and trying speakers is the relatively big issue of moving them on. Theres absolutely no way you could post these 880s without crates and then it's all the packaging and postage. People are concerned about getting their money stuck in something they can not shift. Tannoys are like houses, your money will always be safe and there's always gonna be a guy in Japan ready to pay what you want, to get them. Condition dependant.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 13:11:06 GMT
To be fair, it's not a weekly occurance! I e been looking at speakers on and off for about 12 months and whilst a fe came up that I fancied, they were all priced at what you'd expect. The thing I noticed was that I found these in a nonhifi place, Facebook. I seem to recall Jamie had a similar stroke of luck with his Yammies. I think he paid very little vs rrp for them, from an auction house after he'd found them online. I have started expanding my searches to auctions, estate clearances and the like. Jamie was also lucky in getting Mordaunt Short's flagship model from the '80's the Signifer before he had the Yams... I'd love a pair of Signifer's! Ah yes. I remember those. He did well just from A rarity and condition stand point. Again though, Jamie was looking hard and staying patient for those yammies. It requires a stroke of luck but you have to put the time in.
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Post by dsjr on Nov 6, 2019 13:31:41 GMT
Not sure how Signifers would stack up today. I liked them a lot, but they weren't exactly 'uncoloured' I remember. Thirty five plus years since I last heard a pair though.
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Post by macca on Nov 6, 2019 13:53:15 GMT
I suppose it depends on how you define bargain. I'd say £550 for speakers I could enjoy for years is a bargain, even if they weren't a huge discount on new price. My Tannoys owe me £1K (500 to buy, 500 for the re-build of the drivers/x-overs). But I've now had them 8 years. £100/year doesn't seem to bad and it'll only get better I think a big issue with buying and trying speakers is the relatively big issue of moving them on. Theres absolutely no way you could post these 880s without crates and then it's all the packaging and postage. People are concerned about getting their money stuck in something they can not shift. if you've only paid a couple of hundred quid for them in the first place it isn't that big a deal though. Plus if/when you do sell them if you pass the bargain price on to the next man in line, he's going to make the effort to come and collect them because it's such a great deal even when he takes into account his time and petrol.
Loads of good speakers out there, it's getting them for a bargain price that is the key. These days that only seems to happen with brands that are unjustly unpopular or that the typical punter has never heard of. Focal end up cheap because of the former, Ruark speakers used to go for a song because of the latter, although I don't know if they still do.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 14:11:26 GMT
I think a big issue with buying and trying speakers is the relatively big issue of moving them on. Theres absolutely no way you could post these 880s without crates and then it's all the packaging and postage. People are concerned about getting their money stuck in something they can not shift. if you've only paid a couple of hundred quid for them in the first place it isn't that big a deal though. Plus if/when you do sell them if you pass the bargain price on to the next man in line, he's going to make the effort to come and collect them because it's such a great deal even when he takes into account his time and petrol.
Loads of good speakers out there, it's getting them for a bargain price that is the key. These days that only seems to happen with brands that are unjustly unpopular or that the typical punter has never heard of. Focal end up cheap because of the former, Ruark speakers used to go for a song because of the latter, although I don't know if they still do.
I absolutely agree. It's also a huge bonus when there's next to nothing on the internet about them and folk don't know what they have. The guy I bought these off said the only thing his son could find out about them was that a pair sold in Japan for 2k yen. I nodded like an imbecile, pretending to be surprised but I'd I had already seen that. He told me they must be American because that's the only place he had ever seen anything like that. Again I just nodded and haggled him down a bit. Gave him the money and left laughing in the car lol
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 14:52:13 GMT
Not sure how Signifers would stack up today. I liked them a lot, but they weren't exactly 'uncoloured' I remember. Thirty five plus years since I last heard a pair though. A good 25 years since I heard a pair but I was very impressed. They were an old speaker then but saw of most modern ones I compared them to. NEAT had some in when I worked from the same premises... They were a second hand hi fi shop back then. I found them to have low colouration. Around that time they had Spendor SP1's in and I found them comparable overall.
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Post by macca on Nov 6, 2019 16:20:10 GMT
if you've only paid a couple of hundred quid for them in the first place it isn't that big a deal though. Plus if/when you do sell them if you pass the bargain price on to the next man in line, he's going to make the effort to come and collect them because it's such a great deal even when he takes into account his time and petrol.
Loads of good speakers out there, it's getting them for a bargain price that is the key. These days that only seems to happen with brands that are unjustly unpopular or that the typical punter has never heard of. Focal end up cheap because of the former, Ruark speakers used to go for a song because of the latter, although I don't know if they still do.
I absolutely agree. It's also a huge bonus when there's next to nothing on the internet about them and folk don't know what they have. The guy I bought these off said the only thing his son could find out about them was that a pair sold in Japan for 2k yen. I nodded like an imbecile, pretending to be surprised but I'd I had already seen that. He told me they must be American because that's the only place he had ever seen anything like that. Again I just nodded and haggled him down a bit. Gave him the money and left laughing in the car lol 2000 yen is about fifteen quid so the Japanese bloke got an even bigger steal than you
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 16:25:43 GMT
I absolutely agree. It's also a huge bonus when there's next to nothing on the internet about them and folk don't know what they have. The guy I bought these off said the only thing his son could find out about them was that a pair sold in Japan for 2k yen. I nodded like an imbecile, pretending to be surprised but I'd I had already seen that. He told me they must be American because that's the only place he had ever seen anything like that. Again I just nodded and haggled him down a bit. Gave him the money and left laughing in the car lol 2000 yen is about fifteen quid so the Japanese bloke got an even bigger steal than you lol, I know. He was just trying to get a sale but got all flustered,
www.hifido.co.jp/sold/?KW=&G=0201&LNG=E&O=0&L=50&C=09-44747-22636-00
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Post by karma67 on Nov 6, 2019 16:50:35 GMT
Jamie was also lucky in getting Mordaunt Short's flagship model from the '80's the Signifer before he had the Yams... I'd love a pair of Signifer's! Ah yes. I remember those. He did well just from A rarity and condition stand point. Again though, Jamie was looking hard and staying patient for those yammies. It requires a stroke of luck but you have to put the time in. i was very happy with the signifers having previously used ditton 66's,the signifers bettered them imo so they got sold.then browsing one night as you do i saw a pair of ns1000's in an auction and was tempted. i put in a couple of bids and ended up buying them. my biggest concern was do all the drivers work. thankfully they did,what i didnt realise was they came with a big denon av amp and tuner which was a bonus. now im used to the ns1000's id love to compare the signifers in my system again.but im sure if it wasn't clear cut i wouldn't have sold them.
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Post by macca on Nov 6, 2019 17:53:12 GMT
If I don't get made redundant I'm going to get me some Yammies. Always wanted some.
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Post by dsjr on Nov 6, 2019 19:37:35 GMT
I never compared the two directly (Signifer and SP1). I'm eternally fond of the SP1's and being a BC2 owner like you? I kind of respect the evolution from one to the other. Once I have the grilles restored, the Harbeths are off for sale as I very much doubt I'll ever have a room big enough to stop the bass from dominating everything else...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 20:30:10 GMT
If I don't get made redundant I'm going to get me some Yammies. Always wanted some. Oh dear, is that looking likely Macca?
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Post by macca on Nov 6, 2019 20:45:55 GMT
Up in the air at the moment, could go either way.
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Post by dsjr on Nov 6, 2019 20:54:19 GMT
Good luck on the job front.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 20:58:59 GMT
Yeah good luck , pal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 23:13:47 GMT
Up in the air at the moment, could go either way. Oh man, sounds grim. Do you want to get laid off? I remember you saying the mortgage was paid so you could open that HiFi/coffee/hangout place! Id visit
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 0:27:30 GMT
If I don't get made redundant I'm going to get me some Yammies. Always wanted some. Macca I'd take redundancy over ns1000s. Found em thin souding scratchy buggers.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 7, 2019 0:48:01 GMT
If I don't get made redundant I'm going to get me some Yammies. Always wanted some. Macca I'd take redundancy over ns1000s. Found em thin souding scratchy buggers. I’d take redundancy over any system. Being free can’t be trumped by any sound known to man,
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Post by antonio on Nov 7, 2019 2:16:28 GMT
Macca, on the job front hope it goes the way you want.
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Post by dsjr on Nov 7, 2019 8:00:31 GMT
I don't have fond memories of my own NS1000's (I did hear a pair of NS2000's once and liked these), but suspect that like many overdamped passive speakers, you need serious POWER to wake them up. I mean a pro amp with hundreds of Watts a side rather than a throttled domestic jobbie. No way of confirming this hunch, but it'd be worth trying (for cheapness), one of the sub £1k Yamaha pro amps which offer loads of power and a really good measured spec too.
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Post by macca on Nov 7, 2019 8:55:19 GMT
Up in the air at the moment, could go either way. Oh man, sounds grim. Do you want to get laid off? I remember you saying the mortgage was paid so you could open that HiFi/coffee/hangout place! Id visit I'm not bothered either way really. I can afford to have a couple of years of doing nothing which is quite appealing.
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