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Post by Bigman80 on May 17, 2018 22:51:05 GMT
Cards on the table. I think it's a complete load of pretentious poo. Almost as bad as Opera. One of the most irritating and cringeworthy genres out there. But that's just me. Any apron gods on here?
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Post by antonio on May 18, 2018 14:07:03 GMT
Go stand in the corner Westie, we can't have that sort of talk on a hifi forum. It was YES and Jethro Tull that got me really interested in music.
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Post by Bigman80 on May 18, 2018 17:39:44 GMT
Go stand in the corner Westie, we can't have that sort of talk on a hifi forum. It was YES and Jethro Tull that got me really interested in music. I took a listen amd maybe there is some merit to Jethro:
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Post by antonio on May 19, 2018 4:55:34 GMT
That's below the belt Westie but we all can't have good taste.
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Post by dsjr on May 21, 2018 13:31:10 GMT
I'm not sure Yes and Jethro Tull were really 'prog' as such although the former became very pretentious for a while in the early 70's and the latter took the piss with Thick As A Brick (which I love for some reason). More the likes of Soft Machine, Gentle Giant perhaps and in their own way, possibly Can? It was so interwoven and commercial hits from ELP, King Crimson, Pink Floyd before DSOTM and earlier, Hendrix, Cream, Curved Air and so on may be too ordinary for real prog-heads? The likes of Led Zeppelin did break new musical ground with their particular blends of nicked old blues riffs, but would they be 'progressive' in pushing the rapidly expanding rock/fold/blues boundaries back then? Not sure where Allen-era Gong fits in to all this?
Prog at its worst for me is massive disjointed tempo and key-changes for the sake of it and arty-farty playing, rather than adding to the musical flow. I prefer really skilled musicians making music we can appreciate and understand myself. King Crimson can be wildly heavy and cacophonous on the one hand when in 'bloody racket mode,' and then gentle, tender and full of deep heart-felt emotion the next.
S'cuse the random jottings.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 13:55:33 GMT
I like a bit of Yes, but things like King Crimson really were and still are pretentious shite to me. I reckon the whole prog thing is an ego trip for some people. Like some exclusive club you aren't a proper music lover if you don't appreciate.
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Post by antonio on May 22, 2018 5:05:24 GMT
Yes and Jethro Tull were filed under Progressive in record stores when I purchased them. Please lets not have this 'what's prog and what's not' argument, it's pointless and can go on forever, see HFS.
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Post by Bigman80 on May 22, 2018 10:04:38 GMT
I'm probably a bit of a rarity in that I don't like any form of Rock music.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 19:04:17 GMT
True prog rock is a huge steaming pile of shite, sorry it had to be said. I do like some music though which has a hint of progressiveness about it. Mainly fusion such as Return to forever and Mahavishnu orchestra. Floats my boat. I have to play it when the wife is out as she dont get it and wont allow it to be played when she is there. Oh primitive minds just dont understand
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 10:45:14 GMT
Cards on the table. I think it's a complete load of pretentious poo. Almost as bad as Opera. One of the most irritating and cringeworthy genres out there. But that's just me. Any apron gods on here? Bad prog rock is a regurgitation of the same old cliches - slow atmospheric synth beginnings to songs, then the stratocaster ot telecaster with arpeggios, the time signature changes, the loud bits and the quiet "meaningful" bits. The lyrics can be embarrassingly bad too.
I still like early Genesis, Pink Floyd - they had a new sound at the time, if a little dated now.
90 % of prog rock now is a copy of a copy. And to say "I like Prog Rock" as a statement in itself is meaningless - which of the cliches do you like best?
Anyway, each to his own. In turn, I like some truly cringeworthy stuff - when the mood takes me - but I am not telling what it is!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 23:18:10 GMT
Anybody heard anything of Wallace lately ? The god of pwog ? Or is he deed ?
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 16, 2019 23:40:36 GMT
Anybody heard anything of Wallace lately ? The god of pMan ? Or is he deed ? Nope but he’d be welcome to come and post here about his prog obsession and his film reviews if he hasn’t got a forum home.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 4:07:44 GMT
Never did get it, apart from a few exceptions. Just like I never got the air head hippy running barefoot through the forest, with flowers in it's hair. Also find prog fans are for the most part stuck in their grove, which gets rather tiresome.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 9:33:28 GMT
That's a fair comment actually.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 10:07:18 GMT
I had a brief prog period, of which the remnants in my record collection are Aqualung by Jethro Tull, Home by Procul Harum and Lizard by King Crimson. Then I discovered Bowie, the Velvet Underground and the Stooges.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 15:47:10 GMT
I'd rather have prog than the stooges. Mind you ... Bowies production doesn't help. I've never understood this latter day love for the Stooges thing. In my opinion they influenced absolutely nobody. And I was a punky !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 15:53:54 GMT
Cards on the table. I think it's a complete load of pretentious poo. Almost as bad as Opera. One of the most irritating and cringeworthy genres out there. But that's just me. Any apron gods on here? The biggest biggest issue i have with people is they judge Prog buy the over pretentious crap that was surfacing by 1973. This is what people automatically score prog by.. If you are, yep its utter Sh#t. Prog was dying its death by 1972.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 15:56:14 GMT
Anybody heard anything of Wallace lately ? The god of pMan ? Or is he deed ? Tried all his haunts + Email. Nothing, Not like him at all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 16:15:00 GMT
The best stuff is British Crossover Prog & that is the stuff i have the interest in.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 8:46:33 GMT
I'd rather have prog than the stooges. Mind you ... Bowies production doesn't help. I've never understood this latter day love for the Stooges thing. In my opinion they influenced absolutely nobody. And I was a punky ! Well, I guess it depends what you mean by 'punk', which opens the way to the sort of lengthy trainspotting/theological discussions in which I have no interest. There were two Stooges albums long before 'Raw Power', though the grungy lo-fi production of the latter is kind of punk, and the 'look' of the Stooges in their early days was proto-punk (leather jackets, Nazi regalia).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 10:45:31 GMT
I'd say that this thing with its legs open was the biggest contribution the USA made to punk. Thanks a lot , uncle Tom.. 🙄
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Post by dsjr on Sept 18, 2019 17:17:23 GMT
The musicianship was really high back then in the late 60's and early 70's. It needed to be to play the ever more complex stuff their brains were dreaming up. I was listening to some 'Mahavishnu Orchestra' stuff recently and was spellbound by the way they interacted with their playing and there was some melody in there as well
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 17:58:55 GMT
Simple as this Dave. Those who slate it do have the intelligence to understand it. Commercial Dross is much easier to follow
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 20:38:10 GMT
Simple as this Dave. Those who slate it do have the intelligence to understand it. Commercial Dross is much easier to follow Do you mean they do NOT have the intelligence ? Got a be careful with things like that when you're talking about other people being unintelligent. Tripping yersen up loike innit ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 21:14:32 GMT
I know you have a bit of trouble with prog but that is no surprise being a punker
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 22:20:17 GMT
An unintelligent punker. 😋
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Post by macca on Sept 19, 2019 7:46:11 GMT
is there any other kind?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 7:53:22 GMT
'I am a dull and simple lad, cannot tell water from champagne'
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Post by macca on Sept 19, 2019 11:21:01 GMT
Was The Jam punks? I thought they were mods?
It's all very confusing and I was too young at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 11:49:43 GMT
I think the Mod Scene was the influence. Besides Mods listened to Northern Soul dint they?
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