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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 15:27:03 GMT
I reckon a Quad 909 plus a passive pre-amp would work very nicely through the R952's. Probably a bit overkill though powerwise. I've heard the R852 driven with a 306/Tisbury combo and it sounded really good. Are you fussed about the later 909's being made in China? S. Not really. Some people seem to think there's a sort of stigma attached because of this, I think that's nonsense myself. I've not seen any evidence of the Chinese built item being inferior, merely a few unsupported comments on the web suggesting this. They should be ignored in my view. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 15:29:48 GMT
They always go on about how inferior the caps are in the Chinese 909. Resulting in a more bright sound etc. Some have proved the latter by measuring and so forth.
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Post by antonio on Oct 22, 2018 15:30:08 GMT
Yes, olive cases. Without looking, they should be twice the price of a 250, although you would get your money back when sold. Will have a look on ebay now.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 22, 2018 15:30:45 GMT
Might just be me but then135s I’ve heard I haven’t liked. Lifeless would be the most apt description. That’s two pairs, one of which I heard before and after a Naim service, I thought they were just a mono 250. I’m sure DSJR said they were different, but I have no idea. Sounded nothing like a 250 to me. Dave hated the 250 and liked the 135s, so maybe they are different. I dunno.
As ever, sample variation, partnering kit and auditory memory all mean that my thoughts have little relevance, even to me. I still hope to hear a different sound from them. I doubt Naim could make a lifeless amp consistently.it makes no sense.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 15:32:55 GMT
The music flows more freely, and doesn't have a hard edge which I thought the 250's had when demo'ed against 135's. I also heard 250's active into SBL's and still thought the 135's were better. 135's are selling for high money! Even un-serviced examples seem a bit overpriced. That's why I suggested the 909. Twice the power for much less than half the money and maybe better built into the bargain. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 15:38:17 GMT
They always go on about how inferior the caps are in the Chinese 909. Resulting in a more bright sound etc. Some have proved the latter by measuring and so forth. S. The later 909's have been well reviewed though. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 15:41:31 GMT
They always go on about how inferior the caps are in the Chinese 909. Resulting in a more bright sound etc. Some have proved the latter by measuring and so forth. S. The later 909's have been well reviewed though. Are you talking about consumers or mags? If the latter, then I don't want to know. S. |
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Post by antonio on Oct 22, 2018 15:49:16 GMT
Might just be me but then135s I’ve heard I haven’t liked. Lifeless would be the most apt description. That’s two pairs, one of which I heard before and after a Naim service, I thought they were just a mono 250. I’m sure DSJR said they were different, but I have no idea. Sounded nothing like a 250 to me. Dave hated the 250 and liked the 135s, so maybe they are different. I dunno. As ever, sample variation, partnering kit and auditory memory all mean that my thoughts have little relevance, even to me. I still hope to hear a different sound from them. I doubt Naim could make a lifeless amp consistently.it makes no sense. How different we all are, lifeless would be the last thing I'd have called 135's. I can see why Walpurgis has recommended a Quad 909, although the one we had was bettered by my A60. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 22, 2018 16:40:48 GMT
Might just be me but then135s I’ve heard I haven’t liked. Lifeless would be the most apt description. That’s two pairs, one of which I heard before and after a Naim service, I thought they were just a mono 250. I’m sure DSJR said they were different, but I have no idea. Sounded nothing like a 250 to me. Dave hated the 250 and liked the 135s, so maybe they are different. I dunno. As ever, sample variation, partnering kit and auditory memory all mean that my thoughts have little relevance, even to me. I still hope to hear a different sound from them. I doubt Naim could make a lifeless amp consistently.it makes no sense. How different we all are, lifeless would be the last thing I'd have called 135's. I can see why Walpurgis has recommended a Quad 909, although the one we had was bettered by my A60. It could just be sample variation too. We may both have thought the one speaker I heard were naff and the one speaker you heard were good. The 135s before and after service shocked both me and their owner. He got them used and tthougt they sounded very “off”. I went round and thought they’d need a service too. We both knew the Naim authorised Service Engineer and he was known to be one of the very best. He give them a full servuce and they came back sounding just the same. My mate gave them over 100 hours run in and still no change, so he sold them. I do remember JV saying that component makers had changed during development and this, more than anything, changed the way Naim amps sounded. Maybe these and the earlier 135s I heard we’re from a batch that didn’t do it for me. I have loved all other JV era amps, so it seems odd that their flagship amps would be duff. Even though it’s my own first-hand experience and verified by a mate, I still don’t have much faith in it as a reliable indicator of other 135s I might hear in future. |
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Post by macca on Oct 22, 2018 17:02:43 GMT
The music flows more freely, and doesn't have a hard edge which I thought the 250's had when demo'ed against 135's. I also heard 250's active into SBL's and still thought the 135's were better. Had a look at the completed listings on eBay. 135's are selling for high money! Even un-serviced examples seem a bit overpriced. The 135's you heard, did they have olive case? S. I see 250s going on ebay for over a grand. Crackers when you can get a Krell for that or less. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 22, 2018 19:43:49 GMT
Had a look at the completed listings on eBay. 135's are selling for high money! Even un-serviced examples seem a bit overpriced. The 135's you heard, did they have olive case? S. I see 250s going on ebay for over a grand. Crackers when you can get a Krell for that or less. I agree. Krells are still a bargain. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 19:48:27 GMT
Always did like the look of the Krell KAV-300i. Must try one someday.
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Post by macca on Oct 22, 2018 20:58:19 GMT
one for sale on AoS
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 11:35:14 GMT
Dontcha just hate it when you get a shadow in the veneer when removing the grills
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 23, 2019 19:34:52 GMT
Seems to be more prevalent on late eighties and early 90s Monitor Audio than many others, I wonder if there’s a reason or am I just imagining it?
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Post by karma67 on Apr 23, 2019 19:50:14 GMT
all that is is the suns bleaching effect on timber/veneer.most light wood tend to darken and dark woods go lighter
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 23, 2019 19:52:00 GMT
all that is is the suns bleaching effect on timber/veneer.most light wood tend to darken and dark woods go lighter Can the finish applied make some veneers more susceptible? My other thought was that maybe thinner veneers were more acutely affected. |
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Post by karma67 on Apr 23, 2019 20:10:10 GMT
to be honest im not sure,although i would have thought these days you can get finishes with uv protection?
its only the surface that is affective,if you sand it down you will get back to normal colour.
back in the day when i was an antique restorer i used to bleach the Sh#t out of new veneer when laid,then build the colour i was looking for back up again with various chemical stains,natural dye etc. i even went to the extremes of hiring a portable sun bed for a week to stick a card table i had made under it to experiment!
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 23, 2019 22:32:03 GMT
to be honest im not sure,although i would have thought these days you can get finishes with uv protection? its only the surface that is affective,if you sand it down you will get back to normal colour. back in the day when i was an antique restorer i used to bleach the Sh#t out of new veneer when laid,then build the colour i was looking for back up again with various chemical stains,natural dye etc. i even went to the extremes of hiring a portable sun bed for a week to stick a card table i had made under it to experiment! One of my all time “if only”s is not making a career out of working with wood, There’s no feeling like it and I’d have had a more fulfilling life. |
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